ALL THINGS SUH

[RobBase]

Could simply end up being that the Lions feel like they can sign him to an even larger contract next year if they tag him this year. That gives them an entire year more plus an even bigger cap to work with at a later date.

If he straight up refused to play here and threatened to sit out that would be another story, but I'm not worried about it.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I will believe when it happens, and be pissed off about it

You say the tag is in play when it's in play, not to appease a fan base by saying its in play then not using it, making you look like a liar.

Nothing in what you posted said they were held to a playoffs or you're out ultimatum. In fact, every one of those statements are exactly what every single front office person on any team in the league would say when they weren't taking over a bottom feeder team.

Same with regards to the possibility of using the tag, even if it's truly not a viable option that they are serious about using, they certainly aren't going to say that. Mayhew has already lied to us as well. Why should this be any different? He told us last year that he expected a deal on the verge of FA starting, which obviously didn't happen. This is exactly the same thing, no reason at all to believe him.

He also said this in the very same press conference where he said the tag was an option.......

Still, Mayhew scoffed at the notion that the Lions will try to keep Suh "at any cost.
"At any cost?" Mayhew repeated. "No, I wouldn't say that."

A $36.6m cap hit just might be that cost he's talking about.

 

[RobBase]

We just see things totally differently. You want him to be lying about using the tag and you want him to be talking about the tag hit with his "all costs" line. That's a lot of molding things your way IMO.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

We just see things totally differently. You want him to be lying about using the tag and you want him to be talking about the tag hit with his "all costs" line. That's a lot of molding things your way IMO.

Is it any different than your faith in his words to be factual rather than see the very distinct possibility that he has said nothing more than exactly what would be expected of him to say.

Zero chance any GM would just come out and say the tag isn't a possibility. What could possibly be gained there? Players don't like the tag, putting it out there as a possibility absolutely helps the team in negotiating.

I don't want him to be lying and I'm molding nothing my way. Not sure where you get that from? He has said the tag is an option but also that they wouldn't sign him at any cost. Do I think he's lying? No, I don't. But that doesn't mean he's telling the truth either. Can the $ be made available to tag him? Yes. Does that mean they will do it? Absolutely not.

Should they tag him? Hell no they shouldn't. If they tag him then they have failed TWICE already to sign him. So either he doesn't want to play here, we are a cheap team run by idiots, or his demands are just insane. Likely it's a combination of those.

Whatever it may be I don't like the idea of an all in play here, and that's exactly what it is. It's a one year bet on a championship cause the likelihood of us managing to get a deal done on our third try is extremely low.

Give him the largest guaranteed deal in league history. That currently belongs to the league MVP at $61m. So give Suh $66m guaranteed, Watt got only $54m. If he won't sign a 6yr/$102m deal with that guarantee then walk away cause it's not going to happen.

 

[RobBase]

I'm simply taking them for their word. They're not expected to say they'll use the tag. They could say nothing at all.

They're clearly not in rebuild mode. They're clearly in win now mode with a pretty short window that's tied directly to Calvin's prime and health.

They think they're close. They speak of their 3 man nucleus...they've sold themselves on tagging him if that's what they've got to do.

I gladly stake my rep on it. I was already wrong about Dennard.

 

[TwoCents22]

Zero chance any GM would just come out and say the tag isn't a possibility. What could possibly be gained there? Players don't like the tag, putting it out there as a possibility absolutely helps the team in negotiating.
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I'm pretty sure Mayhew did publicly state that Avril wouldn't be tagged a few years ago(the 2nd time). And I pretty sure, when Avril was tagged, the year before that Mayhew said something along the lines of "the tag is an option" before negotiations.

What's wrong with an "all in" play for this year, if it has little affect on future years? If Suh is here, we absolutely have a contender. If he's not here, we might(key word) have a contender, depending on if Mayhew does a good job. Seeing how you hate Mayhew, how is the latter the better option?

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

They're not expected to say they'll use the tag. They could say nothing at all.

..they've sold themselves on tagging him if that's what they've got to do.

They didn't say they'd use the tag. They said it's an option. Here are some other things that are "options" for the team....1. cutting players 2. forfeiting games 3. wearing their helmets backwards 4. fielding the leagues first 53 man rookie team after implementing option #1 for all veteran players. 5. Taking a knee on every offensive snap, etc. etc.

Those are all "options", that doesn't make them good ones

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

I'll say nothing more on this until Feb 26 to see where things stand. That's five days before the deadline date of March 2 to tag and 10 days into the two week window where teams can tag players.

That's plenty of time for LewAAnd to get the deal in place he says has a very good chance of happening.

I don't expect that to happen. If the Lions are set that they are indeed going to tag him then I would expect them to do it quickly once they can. They can still withdrawal it and continue working on a longer term deal. That officially eliminates any other team from getting a chance to negotiate and sign with them (unless we use the non-exclusive tag).

 

[Naughtymax]

I think there's a pretty wide gap to leap between 'The tag is in play' and 'We will definitely use the tag if he doesn't sign a new contract'.

 

[RobBase]

I think there's a pretty wide gap to leap between 'The tag is in play' and 'We will definitely use the tag if he doesn't sign a new contract'.

What is it?

They'll try their best to sign him now but if they can't they're prepared to slap the tag on him. That's the strong impression I'm getting.

 

[RobBase]

They didn't say they'd use the tag. They said it's an option. Here are some other things that are "options" for the team....1. cutting players 2. forfeiting games 3. wearing their helmets backwards 4. fielding the leagues first 53 man rookie team after implementing option #1 for all veteran players. 5. Taking a knee on every offensive snap, etc. etc.

Those are all "options", that doesn't make them good ones

I don't see how those other things have anything to do we the tag. The tag is in play translates to we will use the tag if we have to. If the tag wasn't an option and they had no plans to use it, saying the tag is in play doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see how it could be taken any other way.

 

[RobBase]

Zero chance any GM would just come out and say the tag isn't a possibility. What could possibly be gained there? Players don't like the tag, putting it out there as a possibility absolutely helps the team in negotiating.
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I'm pretty sure Mayhew did publicly state that Avril wouldn't be tagged a few years ago(the 2nd time). And I pretty sure, when Avril was tagged, the year before that Mayhew said something along the lines of "the tag is an option" before negotiations.

What's wrong with an "all in" play for this year, if it has little affect on future years? If Suh is here, we absolutely have a contender. If he's not here, we might(key word) have a contender, depending on if Mayhew does a good job. Seeing how you hate Mayhew, how is the latter the better option?

You're remembering things correctly. More proof IMO that Suh will get tagged if that's what it comes down to.

“It’s hard to let a guy like Cliff Avril go, from our standpoint, we really want to get a long-term deal done with him. We still have a chance to get a long-term deal done,’’ Mayhew said. “It’s not really a good option for us to franchise him, it’s not appealing to me, it’s not appealing to Cliff.

“We don’t want to do that, but the worse option is to play without Cliff. We don’t want to play without him either,’’ Mayhew added.

Don't see Mayhews attitude being any different w Suh, a far superior player.

 

[Naughtymax]

What is it?

They'll try their best to sign him now but if they can't they're prepared to slap the tag on him. That's the strong impression I'm getting.

Fair enough. I see it very differently, but in both cases this is definitely just opinion.

 

[RobBase]

Fair enough. I see it very differently, but in both cases this is definitely just opinion.

I think we all see it differently, different interpretations, opinions etc. I'll be glad when it's over.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

I'll be glad when it's over.

If Suh is wearing a Lions jersey that is.

 

[TBBishop]

Zero chance any GM would just come out and say the tag isn't a possibility. What could possibly be gained there? Players don't like the tag, putting it out there as a possibility absolutely helps the team in negotiating.
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I'm pretty sure Mayhew did publicly state that Avril wouldn't be tagged a few years ago(the 2nd time). And I pretty sure, when Avril was tagged, the year before that Mayhew said something along the lines of "the tag is an option" before negotiations.

What's wrong with an "all in" play for this year, if it has little affect on future years? If Suh is here, we absolutely have a contender. If he's not here, we might(key word) have a contender, depending on if Mayhew does a good job. Seeing how you hate Mayhew, how is the latter the better option?

I think that I remember Mayhew telling Avril that he wouldn't tag him twice, he would either sign him or let him get a long term deal. Just a different situation.

 

[RobBase]

If Suh is wearing a Lions jersey that is.

Ya. I'm really not sure how I'll react if they lose him since I'm 100% sure they'll at least tag him. It might send me over the edge for good.

 

[Coach_Ed_LPW]

Ya. I'm really not sure how I'll react if they lose him since I'm 100% sure they'll at least tag him. It might send me over the edge for good.

I really don't expect him back.

 

[Dr. Evil-er]

Tagging Avril accounted for less than 9% of the cap amount in 2012.

Tagging Suh will be closer to 19%, without counting the dead $.

Perhaps someone can find a genuine comparison in league history where any team used that much space on one player? I'll wait patiently for one that's even close.

 

[RobBase]

Tagging Avril accounted for less than 9% of the cap amount in 2012.

Tagging Suh will be closer to 19%, without counting the dead $.

Perhaps someone can find a genuine comparison in league history where any team used that much space on one player? I'll wait patiently for one that's even close.

Doesn't mean the Lions won't use it.