AJ Jenkins, you'd better be ready

[Rvnight18]

I hate the arguement that Justin is the sole purpose Aldon does well. It shows me the person doesn't watch games or has literally no idea wtf they are talking about. Does Justin help? You bet your ass. That's Justin's job. And he does it damn well. But as Clyde's gif shows, Aldon can and has done it on his own. How many times have we seen him just destroy the LT or RT on bull rushes? I wonder if his shoulder is worse than we know?

 

[ChrisPozz]

Thanks, I usually defend our players except for in off-field incidents where it depends, but I understood any defense of Aldon wouldn't sound like much coming from me, because I'm really a lay man. I just see him get the sack, I see him get through the defense, but I don't know schemes or how much Justin helps, other than an assumption based on me knowing that Justin is one of the best. Both beat their defenders often. I'm a basketball guy, so I guess it would be like saying Malone was nothing without Stockton and basing that upon his 15 points with the Lakers dominated by Kobe and Shaq. Based upon articles however, I can't see why people would think he's meaningless or anything. One game seems too small to judge anyway.

Long story short, I didn't want to say "Justin helped on that play" only to be wrong in that perhaps he wasn't in that play. I did think it was him and wouldn't have had a guess on who it was if it weren't, though. Thanks for the confirmation.

For the record, I meant no disrespect or to belittle anybody with what I said. The less people understand or the more one chooses not to understand something just because it's easier to be lazy and throw something more emotional out there, which isn't what I thought YOU personally did, the more you're going to see those kinds of comments, in my opinion.

Too often player X or coach X is either effective or invisible. Certain aspects and areas of each position are easier to spot on TV than others as a common fan watches that help make up the entire story of a player's game, season, career, etc.. For far too many fans that I've come across, it's simply too much of one or the other in an instance, a drive, a game, a season, a career, etc.. It's far too often either black or white, this or the other, without alot of detail. The end opinion on someone or something is usually far too often something that falls on one side of the spectrum or the other when often something probably should hover more towards the center than the ends.

 

[Bemular]

Since I'm on record with having agreed with Warty I'll clarify my interpretation of his comments. The absence of Justin hurts Aldon in much the same way the absence of Willis would hurt Bowman - It doesn't necessarily make him invisible but it makes what he is trying to do that much more difficult, whether from a mental and/or physical aspect.

When you look at Aldon's 19.5 (which, if 19 of them were scored correctly then Aldon's total should be 20 - but I digress) 13 of his rushes producing 12 sacks have come from the right side of the line.

You can make a case on varying levels that Justin has assisted on 14 of Aldon's 19.5 sacks; whether by squeezing the pocket, taking the double, blocking down to open the B-Gap or using his inside grip move allowing Aldon to stunt to the inside (Aldon has 3 sacks on that move)

For those of you who have played the game then you know how close the DT's & DE's (OLB's) work together to achieve success. Anyway, I agree that Aldon will not become invisible but I get where Warty is coming from - losing Justin is huge.

 

[TobyTyler]

Jenkins can't be any worse than Ginn; throw him in there. Quicker we see whether he can play or not, the quicker we can ship him out.

 

[Smalls]

Jenkins can't be any worse than Ginn; throw him in there. Quicker we see whether he can play or not, the quicker we can ship him out.

So you're shipping him out even if he shows he can play?

 

[TobyTyler]

I hate the arguement that Justin is the sole purpose Aldon does well. It shows me the person doesn't watch games or has literally no idea wtf they are talking about. Does Justin help? You bet your ass. That's Justin's job. And he does it damn well. But as Clyde's gif shows, Aldon can and has done it on his own. How many times have we seen him just destroy the LT or RT on bull rushes? I wonder if his shoulder is worse than we know?

Not the only reason, but certainly the biggest one. he hasn't had a sack since Smith went down.

 

[TobyTyler]

So you're shipping him out even if he shows he can play?

No.

 

[Arete Tzu]

Not the only reason, but certainly the biggest one. he hasn't had a sack since Smith went down.

Why are people acting like this is the first time aldon has gone with out sacks? He didn't get sacks in week 3, 5 or 6 either, and Justin was there for those games.

It's been a game and one Quarter with out Justin. A pass rusher having games with no sacks here and there isn't some red flag pointing to complete ineffectiveness.

get a grip.

Brady has a quick release and great pocket presences, but aldon did pressure him, and wilson was elusive in the pocket but he also got pressured. You can't always get sacks in every single game. I know we want him to break the sack record, but calm down.

 

[TobyTyler]

Why are people acting like this is the first time aldon has gone with out sacks? He didn't get sacks in week 3, 5 or 6 either, and Justin was there for those games.

It's been a game and one Quarter with out Justin. A pass rusher having games with no sacks here and there isn't some red flag pointing to complete ineffectiveness.

get a grip.

Brady has a quick release and great pocket presences, but aldon did pressure him, and wilson was elusive in the pocket but he also got pressured. You can't always get sacks in every single game. I know we want him to break the sack record, but calm down.

I couldn't care less if he gets the sack record; I want them to get to the Super Bowl.

 

[Rvnight18]

so NN you run from the fact that you were proven wrong, again, and jump on the "i don't care if he breaks the record". Typical.

 

[wartyOne]

Since I'm on record with having agreed with Warty I'll clarify my interpretation of his comments. The absence of Justin hurts Aldon in much the same way the absence of Willis would hurt Bowman - It doesn't necessarily make him invisible but it makes what he is trying to do that much more difficult, whether from a mental and/or physical aspect.

When you look at Aldon's 19.5 (which, if 19 of them were scored correctly then Aldon's total should be 20 - but I digress) 13 of his rushes producing 12 sacks have come from the right side of the line.

You can make a case on varying levels that Justin has assisted on 14 of Aldon's 19.5 sacks; whether by squeezing the pocket, taking the double, blocking down to open the B-Gap or using his inside grip move allowing Aldon to stunt to the inside (Aldon has 3 sacks on that move)

For those of you who have played the game then you know how close the DT's & DE's (OLB's) work together to achieve success. Anyway, I agree that Aldon will not become invisible but I get where Warty is coming from - losing Justin is huge.

Nicely put. Maybe I should have said it that way.

 

[Bemular]

Nicely put. Maybe I should have said it that way.

Well, that's the way I interpreted it - others went in a different direction which is fine; after-all that is what makes our little world here so lively.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

Why are people acting like this is the first time aldon has gone with out sacks? He didn't get sacks in week 3, 5 or 6 either, and Justin was there for those games.

It's been a game and one Quarter with out Justin. A pass rusher having games with no sacks here and there isn't some red flag pointing to complete ineffectiveness.

get a grip.

Brady has a quick release and great pocket presences, but aldon did pressure him, and wilson was elusive in the pocket but he also got pressured. You can't always get sacks in every single game. I know we want him to break the sack record, but calm down.

I got the sense that Aldon's shoulder was bothering him in the NE game. He was getting great pressure early, but seemed really tentative later. Some of that might have coincided with Justin's injury, but that shouldn't have affected Aldon's aggressiveness on outside rushes all that much. He really seemed to be favoring one of his shoulders.

 

[TobyTyler]

so NN you run from the fact that you were proven wrong, again, and jump on the "i don't care if he breaks the record". Typical.

I'm not sure how to respond. I'm not sure where I was "proven wrong" again. Are you are referring to A. Smith's poor play after J. Smith went down? Just because he had other periods of poor play does not mean he was not affected adversely by the loss of J. Smith.

 

[SRPnVA]

I think Baalke got too cute not taking Sanu or Randle before Jenkins.

 

[Rvnight18]

NN you are using one game where he didn't record a sack. In that game he was getting presure but Wilson is slippery like all get out. You act like zero sacks means zero pass rush. Yet when somebody shows you Aldon had 3 games with zero sacks with Justin playing it means nothing. Sacks are not the only way to measure pass rush

 

[TobyTyler]

NN you are using one game where he didn't record a sack. In that game he was getting presure but Wilson is slippery like all get out. You act like zero sacks means zero pass rush. Yet when somebody shows you Aldon had 3 games with zero sacks with Justin playing it means nothing. Sacks are not the only way to measure pass rush

No. I'm using the entire period of time that Justin Smith was out which happened to be about six quarters; a small sample size, I admit, but he did seem ineffective. He was all over Tom Brady in the first half while J. SMith was in there but disappeared afterwards and against Seattle. But I get your point.

 

[imac_21]

No. I'm using the entire period of time that Justin Smith was out which happened to be about six quarters; a small sample size, I admit, but he did seem ineffective. He was all over Tom Brady in the first half while J. SMith was in there but disappeared afterwards and against Seattle. But I get your point.

Are you accounting for the time in the NE game where Aldon was out because of his shoulder injury?

Could the shoulder injury that has had him on the injury report for the last month and a half or so, that caused him to miss game time against NE and to be limited in practice before Seattle play a role in his "disappearance"?

 

[TobyTyler]

Are you accounting for the time in the NE game where Aldon was out because of his shoulder injury?

Could the shoulder injury that has had him on the injury report for the last month and a half or so, that caused him to miss game time against NE and to be limited in practice before Seattle play a role in his "disappearance"?[/QUOTE]

Good point. I'd forgotten about that. It hasn't been made much of in the press.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

Man Jenkins is skinny as hell someone needs to get his ass in the weight room!

I saw him come in a few plays yesterday but didnt notcie anything from him.