AJ Jenkins, you'd better be ready

[Bemular]

With Justin Smith - 19.5 sacks.

Without Justin Smith - Totally irrelevant.

I don't see what's silly here. Aldon has been invisible since Justin went down.

This is accurate -

 

[NinerSickness]

With Justin Smith - 19.5 sacks.

Without Justin Smith - Totally irrelevant.

I don't see what's silly here. Aldon has been invisible since Justin went down.

You mean the 1 game JSmith was out?

And just because Aldon didn't get any sacks didin't mean he was "irrelevant." He was held at LEAST 3 times I saw & it wasn't called, he took plenty of doubles and he got a few pressures.

There were a million problems with that game, but it was only one game. The Niners went from their highest point to their lowest point in 7 days. Let's not blow it out of proportion.

 

[MHSL82]

No - in 2010 they were not a WC team

Poor Atlanta, if they don't win, they don't have a loophole to claim victory. All the more proof that winning in the regular season means nothing in the playoffs - you can't even claim to have advanced to the divisional round.

 

[wartyOne]

You mean the 1 game JSmith was out?

And just because Aldon didn't get any sacks didin't mean he was "irrelevant." He was held at LEAST 3 times I saw & it wasn't called, he took plenty of doubles and he got a few pressures.

There were a million problems with that game, but it was only one game. The Niners went from their highest point to their lowest point in 7 days. Let's not blow it out of proportion.

Yes, he was irrelevant. And invisible.

Without Justin, Aldon is useless. Let's see him prove otherwise against the Cardinals. My guess is this: No sacks; No tackles; No difference.

 

[NinerSickness]

Yes, he was irrelevant. And invisible.

Without Justin, Aldon is useless. Let's see him prove otherwise against the Cardinals. My guess is this: No sacks; No tackles; No difference.

You don't go from a record-pace sack guy to "irrelevant" because of one teammate. That's absurd. Nobody would argue Aldon is better off without JSmith, but calling him "irrelevant" is downright ridiculous. If that's so, then he certainly wasn't worth a first round pick or even a 2nd or 3rd.

And why didn't Parys Haralson ever get 19.5 sacks playing with JSmith in his prime?

 

[wartyOne]

You don't go from a record-pace sack guy to "irrelevant" because of one teammate. That's absurd. Nobody would argue Aldon is better off without JSmith, but calling him "irrelevant" is downright ridiculous. If that's so, then he certainly wasn't worth a first round pick or even a 2nd or 3rd.

And why didn't Parys Haralson ever get 19.5 sacks playing with JSmith in his prime?

Regardless. Aldon has been invisible since Justin went down. And I don't mean hasn't recorded a sack. He's been invisible.

Let's see what he has for Arizona.

I'm not holding my breath.

Justin Smith is why our defense is so good.

 

[Bemular]

You don't go from a record-pace sack guy to "irrelevant" because of one teammate. That's absurd. Nobody would argue Aldon is better off with JSmith, but calling him "irrelevant" is downright ridiculous. If that's so, then he certainly wasn't worth a first round pick or even a 2nd or 3rd.

And why didn't Parys Haralson ever get 19.5 sacks playing with JSmith in his prime?

fify, and because he is Parys Haralson

 

[NinerSickness]

Regardless. Aldon has been invisible since Justin went down. .

No he wasn't! He played pretty well against Seattle. He was getting doubles & getting held, and he still pressured the QB quite a bit. He just can't do it all by himself. The biggest problem was that they weren't stopping the run.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Another thing about Aldon vs. Seattle was that he only rushed the QB 24 times, which I believe was a season low. Or at least it was his low for the last 8+ games or so. He had 3 plays in which I would definitely call hurries and 3 others that could also be of the pressure variety. He was incredibly close to two sacks in that game as well if memory serves me correctly. Wilson just did a great job of avoiding and shaking him off.

 

[arsenal6106]

Why are we dealing with a small sample?

 

[Bemular]

No he wasn't! He played pretty well against Seattle. He was getting doubles & getting held, and he still pressured the QB quite a bit. He just can't do it all by himself. The biggest problem was that they weren't stopping the run.

Yes, he was getting doubled - because Justin wasn't in the line-up - C'mon Sickness you should know this stuff.

 

[ChrisPozz]

Another thing about Aldon vs. Seattle was that he only rushed the QB 24 times, which I believe was a season low. Or at least it was his low for the last 8+ games or so. He had 3 plays in which I would definitely call hurries and 3 others that could also be of the pressure variety. He was incredibly close to two sacks in that game as well if memory serves me correctly. Wilson just did a great job of avoiding and shaking him off.

Correction: It was close to his season low. I'll post the snap numbers.

GB - 50 rushes on 70 snaps (71.4% of the time rushed the passer)

DET - 34 rushes on 65 snaps (52.3%)

MIN - 33 rushes on 79 snaps (41.8%)

NYJ - 26 rushes on 49 snaps (53.1%)

BUF - 22 rushes on 41 snaps (53.7%)

NYG - 24 rushes on 65 snaps (36.9%)

SEA - 23 rushes on 54 snaps (42.6%)

AZ - 42 rushes on 61 snaps (68.9%)

STL - 37 rushes on 87 snaps (42.5%)

CHI - 22 rushes on 47 snaps (46.8%) (5 1/2 sacks on 22 rush attempts)

NO - 40 rushes on 70 snaps (57.1%)

STL - 39 rushes on 75 snaps (52.0%)

MIA - 34 rushes on 62 snaps (54.8%)

NE - 56 rushes on 90 snaps (62.2%)

SEA - 24 rushes on 61 snaps (39.3%)

Total - 506 rushes on 976 snaps (51.8%)

 

[threelittleturds]

Sorry Warty, although it is true that Aldon Smith disappointingly hasn't got a sack or made a play since Justin Smith went down... he was getting pressure on Wilson a few times in the Seattle game. I can think of two plays where Wilson was making Aldon along with other 49ers miss him in the backfield as he danced around.

Plus like sickness brought up he got doubled and was held on other occasions to take him out of plays, the problem is that without Justin they were able to focus just on Aldon and in my opinion you could see it was frustrating him because he was giving up on a lot of plays.

 

[Bemular]

Another thing about Aldon vs. Seattle was that he only rushed the QB 24 times, which I believe was a season low. Or at least it was his low for the last 8+ games or so. He had 3 plays in which I would definitely call hurries and 3 others that could also be of the pressure variety. He was incredibly close to two sacks in that game as well if memory serves me correctly. Wilson just did a great job of avoiding and shaking him off.

Aldon lunged at Wilson twice - both times Wilson high-stepped leaving Aldon grasping at air. On the other pressure/near sack he appeared to be held, broke free and gave chase only to have Willis knock him off the path.

I also agree with two or three other 'kind of hurries'. However contrary to what NinerSickness is claiming he was double-teamed only three times in 24 rushes and clearly held only twice. Aldon was simply beat mostly by Okung one-on-one for most of the night.

 

[clyde_carbon]

With Justin Smith - 19.5 sacks.

Without Justin Smith - Totally irrelevant.

I don't see what's silly here. Aldon has been invisible since Justin went down.

You're right, that was all Justin.

 

[Smalls]

You're right, that was all Justin.

This is awesome. Suggesting Justin is solely responsible for Aldon's success is suggesting you haven't watched him very much.

 

[MHSL82]

This is awesome. Suggesting Justin is solely responsible for Aldon's success is suggesting you haven't watched him very much.

I agree, but while I see what Aldon did was impressive here, was this gif something that truly illustrated that? It seemed Justin Smith really helped, you know by sacking the guy and it appeared that both got there at the same time (though I know Aldon's presence stopped an outlet run for the QB). Or was that someone else coming from the right side? It looks like Justin. (For like the hundredth time, I don't know much about defense.)

 

[ChrisPozz]

I agree, but while I see what Aldon did was impressive here, was this gif something that truly illustrated that? It seemed Justin Smith really helped, you know by sacking the guy and it appeared that both got there at the same time (though I know Aldon's presence stopped an outlet run for the QB). Or was that someone else coming from the right side? It looks like Justin. (For like the hundredth time, I don't know much about defense.)

What other white defensive lineman do the 49ers have on their roster? Yeah, it was Justin. (I think Bakhtiari is the only other white defensive player, by the way).

For anyone to call Aldon useless, meaningless, etc., without Justin Smith is another lazy and possibly emotional comment by a fan, though, in my opinion. I won't say it's crazy, but it's borderline. "Lazy" is the right word for it to me.

 

[Arete Tzu]

What other white defensive lineman do the 49ers have on their roster? Yeah, it was Justin. (I think Bakhtiari is the only other white defensive player, by the way).

For anyone to call Aldon useless, meaningless, etc., without Justin Smith is another lazy and possibly emotional comment by a fan, though, in my opinion. I won't say it's crazy, but it's borderline. "Lazy" is the right word for it to me.

exactly lazy emotional knee jerk caca.

 

[MHSL82]

What other white defensive lineman do the 49ers have on their roster? Yeah, it was Justin. (I think Bakhtiari is the only other white defensive player, by the way).

For anyone to call Aldon useless, meaningless, etc., without Justin Smith is another lazy and possibly emotional comment by a fan, though, in my opinion. I won't say it's crazy, but it's borderline. "Lazy" is the right word for it to me.

Thanks, I usually defend our players except for in off-field incidents where it depends, but I understood any defense of Aldon wouldn't sound like much coming from me, because I'm really a lay man. I just see him get the sack, I see him get through the defense, but I don't know schemes or how much Justin helps, other than an assumption based on me knowing that Justin is one of the best. Both beat their defenders often. I'm a basketball guy, so I guess it would be like saying Malone was nothing without Stockton and basing that upon his 15 points with the Lakers dominated by Kobe and Shaq. Based upon articles however, I can't see why people would think he's meaningless or anything. One game seems too small to judge anyway.

Long story short, I didn't want to say "Justin helped on that play" only to be wrong in that perhaps he wasn't in that play. I did think it was him and wouldn't have had a guess on who it was if it weren't, though. Thanks for the confirmation.