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[MilkSpiller22]

David Ortiz MIGHT be the best postseason player ever. He's definitely on the short list. He's won 3 titles and an ALCS MVP & World Series MVP along the way. Oh, by the way, he's hit 500+ HR's and finished in the top 5 for MVP voting 5 times. I'm not sure if the PED suspicions keep him out, but at least he was never suspended for it the way Arod was.

WC era players have a much larger sample size of playoff games... But it looks like you are just looking at Ortiz' WS numbers... I will give you he had amazing WS numbers, but his overall playoff numbers are pretty close to his career averages...

I would certainly not call him the best post season player of all time though...

 

[obxyankeefan]

And if you are going to say he won three WS as a reason that he deserves to be in the HOF, you have to also look at the fact that he has been on a member of the worst team in the AL East over the last four years.

 

[chappee11]

First off A Rod is not getting in until they allow other PED users in.

David Ortiz is no where near the best postseason player ever. He has had a number of clutch moments, but overall his numbers are good not great. Just looking at his BA in each series he has played in.

2002 231/313
2003 095/269
2004 545/387/308
2005 333
2007 714/292/333
2008 235/154
2009 083
2013 385/091/688

Just from those numbers you can see he has had some series where he was the difference and some series where Boston would have been better off with Rock playing.

Like I said. He's on the short list. Who would you put ahead of him? Other than Don Larsen and his 4-2 playoff record, of course.

 

[chappee11]

WC era players have a much larger sample size of playoff games... But it looks like you are just looking at Ortiz' WS numbers... I will give you he had amazing WS numbers, but his overall playoff numbers are pretty close to his career averages...

I would certainly not call him the best post season player of all time though...

You remember what he did in 2004. And he was a terror in 2013, too. I guess he does deserve bonus points for being at his best in the biggest games. I'll ask you, too: who is ahead of him in terms of best all-time playoff performer?

 

[calsnowskier]

Like I said. He's on the short list. Who would you put ahead of him? Other than Don Larsen and his 4-2 playoff record, of course.

Off the top of my head (no research what-so-ever)...

Jackson
Bumgarner
Beltran
Rivera

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You remember what he did in 2004. And he was a terror in 2013, too. I guess he does deserve bonus points for being at his best in the biggest games. I'll ask you, too: who is ahead of him in terms of best all-time playoff performer?

In his 14 WS games, i will agree he is on the short list... But in his 82 total playoff games, he is barely above his career averages... But problem is there is already a short list of players who have even played over 10 WS games...


And then there are players with a significant sample size of WS games who are of course not going to be as good as Ortiz in his small sample size...

 

[chappee11]

Off the top of my head (no research what-so-ever)...

Jackson
Bumgarner
Beltran
Rivera

Reggie Jackson had a playoff BA of .278 and a playoff OPS of .885. What else you got?

It's tough comparing pitchers with hitters here, so I am looking for hitters only. Beltran might be one.

Rivera, Schilling, Hershiser, Smoltz, Bumgarner and others definitely belong on the list for pitchers.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Like I said. He's on the short list. Who would you put ahead of him? Other than Don Larsen and his 4-2 playoff record, of course.

Larsen was a bit of a joke, but he did have the best day ever in the postseason.

As far as better career postseason players

Willie Aikens
Bobby Brown
Sean Casey
Carlos Delgado
Lou Gehrig
Troy Glaus
Ryan Ludwick
Colby Rasmus
Babe Ruth
Chris Young

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Larsen was a bit of a joke, but he did have the best day ever in the postseason.

As far as better career postseason players

Willie Aikens
Bobby Brown
Sean Casey
Carlos Delgado
Lou Gehrig
Troy Glaus
Ryan Ludwick
Colby Rasmus
Babe Ruth
Chris Young

Obxyankee, i am on your side here... But some of the players you listed are a joke...

Problem really is that this is an impossible subject to argue... The WHO is the best playoff players...

Some players have to large of a sample size that their stats normalize... Others have too little of a sample size that their numbers are embellished... That's before you differentiate between the WS and other series of the playoffs...

Again, Ortiz had an amazing 14 WS games... and if you want to say that those 14 games are elite, i will agree...

 

[obxyankeefan]

Obxyankee, i am on your side here... But some of the players you listed are a joke...

Problem really is that this is an impossible subject to argue... The WHO is the best playoff players...

Some players have to large of a sample size that their stats normalize... Others have too little of a sample size that their numbers are embellished... That's before you differentiate between the WS and other series of the playoffs...

Again, Ortiz had an amazing 14 WS games... and if you want to say that those 14 games are elite, i will agree...

Yeah I agree that most of them have sample sizes that are to small, but MLB considers their sample size big enough to list them on career rate stats. And everyone of them are ahead of Ortiz in the rate stats.

 

[chappee11]

Larsen was a bit of a joke, but he did have the best day ever in the postseason.

As far as better career postseason players

Willie Aikens
Bobby Brown
Sean Casey
Carlos Delgado
Lou Gehrig
Troy Glaus
Ryan Ludwick
Colby Rasmus
Babe Ruth
Chris Young

I can only hope you are trolling me. Otherwise you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[obxyankeefan]

I can only hope you are trolling me. Otherwise you are embarrassing yourself.

Why am I embarrassing myself. You discredit Reggie Jackson because of rates stats. But when I list who MLB has as the top ten career OPS in postseason you call it an troll.

If you are going to use rate stats to disqualify one player from being better than Ortiz in postseason, how are MLBs top ten a troll attempt?

 

[chappee11]

Why am I embarrassing myself. You discredit Reggie Jackson because of rates stats. But when I list who MLB has as the top ten career OPS in postseason you call it an troll.

If you are going to use rate stats to disqualify one player from being better than Ortiz in postseason, how are MLBs top ten a troll attempt?

Because if your heart is really beating you can't tell me that Willie Aikens and Ryan Ludwick have had better postseason careers than Papi.

 

[calsnowskier]

Because if your heart is really beating you can't tell me that Willie Aikens and Ryan Ludwick have had better postseason careers than Papi.

And yet you discount Mr October because of career rates.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Because if your heart is really beating you can't tell me that Willie Aikens and Ryan Ludwick have had better postseason careers than Papi.

Willie Aikens 375/490/725
Ryan Ludwick 382/462/706
David Ortiz 295/409/553

Postseason baseball is littered with bit players who stepped it up during the playoffs.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Two guys that I haven't seen mentioned in the postseason discussion are George Brett and Lou Brock. Both have sparkling postseason resumés.

 

[navamind]

1. Way to cite his postseason stats without mentioning how many plate appearances. Epitome of cherry picking.

2. His overall postseason line is .295/.409/.553. His regular season stats are .284/.378/.547.

3. You're really bringing up guys like Ludwick that have 9 postseason games total? Ortiz has 82. Care to list how many position players even have ~81 games of postseason action in their career?

I'm far from being the biggest Ortiz HOF proponent, but christ this is dumb.

 

[chappee11]

And yet you discount Mr October because of career rates.

Reggie Jackson is called "Mr. October" and Papi has better October numbers. You can spin that as you wish.

 

[chappee11]

Willie Aikens 375/490/725
Ryan Ludwick 382/462/706
David Ortiz 295/409/553

Postseason baseball is littered with bit players who stepped it up during the playoffs.

Yeah, I'll never forget growing up and seeing the heroics of Willie Aikens in the postseason. You got me on that one.

 

[obxyankeefan]

1. Way to cite his postseason stats without mentioning how many plate appearances. Epitome of cherry picking.

2. His overall postseason line is .295/.409/.553. His regular season stats are .284/.378/.547.

3. You're really bringing up guys like Ludwick that have 9 postseason games total? Ortiz has 82. Care to list how many position players even have ~81 games of postseason action in their career?

I'm far from being the biggest Ortiz HOF proponent, but christ this is dumb.

If you read some of my quotes I mentioned that the sample sizes were small, but they are big enough for BR to list those players on the leader boards.