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[obxyankeefan]

@navamind post #90

 

[black francis]

Hosmer
Gordon
Perez

 

[msgkings322]

Hosmer
Gordon
Perez

You may change these of course if Gordon signs elsewhere

 

[msgkings322]

Don Larsen is the best postseason player of all-time? That couldn't be any more wrong.

He's not even the best postseason pitcher of all time. That is Bumgarner and it's not even close.

Schilling and his bloody sock don't quite measure up.

 

[calsnowskier]

He's not even the best postseason pitcher of all time. That is Bumgarner and it's not even close.

Schilling and his bloody sock don't quite measure up.

I SOOO want this to be accurate, but it just isn't. Heck, he isn't even the best post-season pitcher ever for the Giants.

 

[msgkings322]

I SOOO want this to be accurate, but it just isn't. Heck, he isn't even the best post-season pitcher ever for the Giants.

I admit I didn't look at anything, this was my impression. Who's better?

 

[calsnowskier]

I admit I didn't look at anything, this was my impression. Who's better?

Christy Mathewson.

In the 1905 Series, he threw 3 complete game shutouts.

In '11-'13 he threw 7 complete games (in 8 starts) with 74.2 IP and only 11 ERs.

Dude was an absolute beast and deserves to be in the discussion as the best pitcher ever.

 

[msgkings322]

Christy Mathewson.

In the 1905 Series, he threw 3 complete game shutouts.

In '11-'13 he threw 7 complete games (in 8 starts) with 74.2 IP and only 11 ERs.

Dude was an absolute beast and deserves to be in the discussion as the best pitcher ever.

OK can I change it to modern era? The game was pretty different in the dead ball era.

 

[chappee11]

He's not even the best postseason pitcher of all time. That is Bumgarner and it's not even close.

Schilling and his bloody sock don't quite measure up.

Bumgarner is near the top of the list, for sure. But we'll see how it all plays out when he retires. I remember Josh Beckett and Jon Lester(for example) started in a similar fashion in the postseason. But then they leveled off a bit over time. Bumgarner probably has many playoff appearances ahead of him, so we'll see if he can keep it up.

 

[molsaniceman]

OK can I change it to modern era? The game was pretty different in the dead ball era.

Well that bob gibson fella was pretty good 9WS games 8CG 7-2 1.89 era He burst the red sox dream in 67

 

[calsnowskier]

Regardless, we are having to bring up the elite of the elite performances to argue against Bum.

He is in that God-like group, for sure.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Regardless, we are having to bring up the elite of the elite performances to argue against Bum.

He is in that God-like group, for sure.

He had a God-like playoffs... But that was only one season... But I don't know if that should hurt him...

 

[calsnowskier]

He had a God-like playoffs... But that was only one season... But I don't know if that should hurt him...

Actually, Bum has been pretty amazing in his entire World Series career. And apart from 2 starts in 2012, his entire post-season career has been lights out.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Actually, Bum has been pretty amazing in his entire World Series career. And apart from 2 starts in 2012, his entire post-season career has been lights out.

The problem only is if he keeps on making the playoffs the odds are that his stats normalize... And then some people here would claim he is not that good anymore...

 

[calsnowskier]

The problem only is if he keeps on making the playoffs the odds are that his stats normalize... And then some people here would claim he is not that good anymore...

If only people ignored rate-stats...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If only people ignored rate-stats...

It's not about ignoring, it's about using them correctly. I know your nudging me. But you have seen the way I like to use it. I use career, best, and how often they were better than their career.

 

[calsnowskier]

It's not about ignoring, it's about using them correctly. I know your nudging me. But you have seen the way I like to use it. I use career, best, and how often they were better than their career.

I never understood why you include that. Math states that they should have better than their average approx 50% of the time. That's why it is a career "average".

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I never understood why you include that. Math states that they should have better than their average approx 50% of the time. That's why it is a career "average".

no, that would be the median... because averages may be skewed one way or another it does not neccessarily mean they would have an even amount of years over or under...

 

[calsnowskier]

no, that would be the median... because averages may be skewed one way or another it does not neccessarily mean they would have an even amount of years over or under...

I understand the difference. I just don't subscribe to its importance in these discussions. I would be more interested in something like my OPS+ bucket study. "How many years did the player perform better than league average?" A median study will only be useful for someone like Roger Maris or Brady Anderson, IMHO.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I understand the difference. I just don't subscribe to its importance in these discussions. I would be more interested in something like my OPS+ bucket study. "How many years did the player perform better than league average?" A median study will only be useful for someone like Roger Maris or Brady Anderson, IMHO.

But it is the same... you like to list how often a player reached every bucket by the tens... If you take the average, maximum and all the times in between... then its the same analysis...