MLB Daily Thread: 9/21/2017: Sale 1st AL pitcher in 18 years to fan 300, Sox clinch a playoff spot

[DirtDirtDirt]

Weren't you talking about OPS+ earlier. Hornsby had 12 seasons in which he had an OPS+ higher than Cano's career high. Cano's career high is 148. Hornsby was 150 or higher in 12 different seasons. Not to mention that he has the highest single season BA in the last 125 years. You don't fuck with the Rajah, bro.

Im ok with going back to 1915 to find a better guy than Robbie.........I think the others mentioned, a strong argument can be made both ways

 

[PolarVortex]

pendleton didnt even make the AS team the year he won in 91

Bonds was so much better than anyone else in the NL back then that the voters were looking for an excuse they could find to give the MVP to someone else.

 

[soxfan1468927]

We will always agree to dis-agree

Ill take the .305/25/100 guy every day of the week over the table setter

Theres' no right or wrong, just how we view the more valuable, every team would love to have both

Bullshit, I'm right and you're wrong.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Bullshit, I'm right and you're wrong.

"Dont miss a minute of the action on NESN this weekend, as Mookie and the Sox take on the Buffalo Burritos"

 

[soxfan1468927]

"Dont miss a minute of the action on NESN this weekend, as Mookie and the Sox take on the Buffalo Burritos"

Yankees had their shot against the Reds. Now it's our turn.

 

[PolarVortex]

Im ok with going back to 1915 to find a better guy than Robbie.........I think the others mentioned, a strong argument can be made both ways

Well, if you want to compare hi to a more recent player, Joe Morgan is not a good example. For most of his career, Morgan had a different purpose as a hitter than Cano has had. Morgan was a table setter for most (note to our anal retentive stat geeks. I'm saying most of his career, not all of his career) of his career. Cano mostly has hit in a spot traditionally associated with an RBI. So, comparing the two is kinda tough. Jeff Kent would be a better comparison.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Well, if you want to compare hi to a more recent player, Joe Morgan is not a good example. For most of his career, Morgan had a different purpose as a hitter than Cano has had. Morgan was a table setter for most (note to our anal retentive stat geeks. I'm saying most of his career, not all of his career) of his career. Cano mostly has hit in a spot traditionally associated with an RBI. So, comparing the two is kinda tough. Jeff Kent would be a better comparison.

I agree, but Robbie isnt accidentally a middle of the order bat, he is there because he is capable...Morgan was where he was, cause thats where he was best utilized

 

[soxfan1468927]

I agree, but Robbie isnt accidentally a middle of the order bat, he is there because he is capable...Morgan was where he was, cause thats where he was best utilized

Jeff Kent is a good comparison though for the numbers you posted. That .300/25/100 line. And he hasn't been able to get more than 17% of the vote for the HOF. So I don't know if Cano will just walk in like you claim.

 

[navamind]

Well, if you want to compare hi to a more recent player, Joe Morgan is not a good example. For most of his career, Morgan had a different purpose as a hitter than Cano has had. Morgan was a table setter for most (note to our anal retentive stat geeks. I'm saying most of his career, not all of his career) of his career. Cano mostly has hit in a spot traditionally associated with an RBI. So, comparing the two is kinda tough. Jeff Kent would be a better comparison.

they also played in completely different eras. Home runs were a lot harder to come by throughout Morgan's career than they've been over the last few decades.

Major League Baseball Batting Year-by-Year Averages | Baseball-Reference.com

Morgan's career .427 SLG% might sound pedestrian now, but it certainly wasn't in the 60s/70s.

 

[navamind]

Bonds was so much better than anyone else in the NL back then that the voters were looking for an excuse they could find to give the MVP to someone else.

"Terry Pendleton's name is 15 characters long, Barry's is only 11. Look, Terry has him beat in something!"

 

[PolarVortex]

"Dont miss a minute of the action on NESN this weekend, as Mookie and the Sox take on the Buffalo Burritos"

los burritos de desayuno?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Jeff Kent is a good comparison though for the numbers you posted. That .300/25/100 line. And he hasn't been able to get more than 17% of the vote for the HOF. So I don't know if Cano will just walk in like you claim.

Yeah in comparison to other 2nd basemen, especially like a Bill Mazeroski, Kent deserves far more consideration

I think Robbie will blow past most of Kents' numbers, and is so far superior defensively, its laughable

 

[navamind]

Maz is a pretty bad example considering there's dozens of 2B that are more HOF-worthy than him. He was a glorified Mark Ellis.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Maz is a pretty bad example considering there's dozens of 2B that are more HOF-worthy than him. He was a glorified Mark Ellis.

Yup, literally in there on one HR that will live in infamy

 

[soxfan1468927]

they also played in completely different eras. Home runs were a lot harder to come by throughout Morgan's career than they've been over the last few decades.

Major League Baseball Batting Year-by-Year Averages | Baseball-Reference.com

Morgan's career .427 SLG% might sound pedestrian now, but it certainly wasn't in the 60s/70s.

Yeah from 1965-1984 the league average slugging percentage was .372 and from 2005-2017 it has been .417

 

[PolarVortex]

"Terry Pendleton's name is 15 characters long, Barry's is only 11. Look, Terry has him beat in something!"

LOL. Touche'. I'm not sure any hitter dominated era as much since maybe Babe Ruth in the 20s. I guess maybe you could throw post war Ralph Kiner in there too.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Yeah in comparison to other 2nd basemen, especially like a Bill Mazeroski, Kent deserves far more consideration

I think Robbie will blow past most of Kents' numbers, and is so far superior defensively, its laughable

I agree that Cano will surpass Kent, and in my opinion is already a better candidate, but I'm just pointing out how voters have treated middle infielders.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

LOL. Touche'. I'm not sure any hitter dominated era as much since maybe Babe Ruth in the 20s. I guess maybe you could throw post war Ralph Kiner in there too.

Bonds/Mcgwire/Sosa

When they would break into their AB's on ESPN, during that stretch, the only guys you would actually expect to hit a HR, and they usually delivered

 

[PolarVortex]

Yup, literally in there on one HR that will live in infamy

Greatest fielding second baseman of all time. My grand parents were at game 7 in Forbes Field when Maz took down the Fraudkees. Don't fuck with Maz. He's in the HOF for the same reason Ozzie Guillen is.

 

[soxfan1468927]

LOL. Touche'. I'm not sure any hitter dominated era as much since maybe Babe Ruth in the 20s. I guess maybe you could throw post war Ralph Kiner in there too.

Absolutely. I'll throw out Williams from '41-'49 with 3 years missed due to war.