MLB Daily Thread: 9/21/2017: Sale 1st AL pitcher in 18 years to fan 300, Sox clinch a playoff spot

[soxfan1468927]

Logical conclusion when he says "I look at OPS+ first" to determine Pedroia was better than Rollins...Because outside of that and .BA, Rollins was significantly better in most every other category

In response to looking at "offensive numbers" not in determining MVP.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Well we can use adjusted stats, and you also only posted the NL. And was 2008 really the steroid era? Testing had begun and the HR rate was the lowest it had been since 1993.

Id expect the NL numbers to be more comparable to Dusty, I always view that as a pitchers league in comparison to the AL, especially the AL East

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

In response to looking at "offensive numbers" not in determining MVP.

True, but when compared to Rollins, Rollins was actually better on the basepaths, and also a GG winner that season

 

[soxfan1468927]

Id expect the NL numbers to be more comparable to Dusty, I always view that as a pitchers league in comparison to the AL, especially the AL East

Which would be reflected in OPS+ though.

 

[soxfan1468927]

True, but when compared to Rollins, Rollins was actually better on the basepaths, and also a GG winner that season

Agreed and I said the work on the basepaths makes it very close. I would tend to give the edge to Rollins.

And Pedroia won a Gold Glove that year too.

 

[soxfan1468927]

OPS+

Mike Trout 187
Josh Donaldson 141
Mike Trout 173
Miggy 190
Miggy 164
Josh Hamilton 170
Joe Mauer 171
Dustin Pedroia 123
Arod 176
Justin Morneau 140
Arod 175
Vlad 151
Arod 147
Miguel Tejada 128
Ichiro 126 (Even Ichiro)


Shall I continue?

1965: Zoilo Versalles 115

Suck it.

 

[PolarVortex]

L'il Pusty, Terry Pendleton, Jeter, Willie McGee, and Dick Groat all in the same room. Guess which one isn't an MVP.

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[PolarVortex]

Agreed and I said the work on the basepaths makes it very close. I would tend to give the edge to Rollins.

And Pedroia won a Gold Glove that year too.

GG = popularity contest. Raffy won one in a year in which he only played 21 games in the field.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

L'il Pusty, Terry Pendleton, Jeter, Willie McGee, and Dick Groat all in the same room. Guess which one isn't an MVP.

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Robbie Cano will never win an MVP, very likely goes down as the greatest 2nd basemen to ever play the game

 

[PolarVortex]

Robbie Cano will never win an MVP, very likely goes down as the greatest 2nd basemen to ever play the game

Rogers Hornsby say "What the fuck you smokin', bitch?"

 

[soxfan1468927]

GG = popularity contest. Raffy won one in a year in which he only played 21 games in the field.

I 100% agree. I mentioned Pedroia's GG in response to Dirt saying Rollins won one.

 

[soxfan1468927]

Robbie Cano will never win an MVP, very likely goes down as the greatest 2nd basemen to ever play the game

You ironically say this in response to a post saying that Pedroia is overrated. Yikes.

 

[navamind]

Robbie Cano will never win an MVP, very likely goes down as the greatest 2nd basemen to ever play the game

LOL

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Rogers Hornsby say "What the fuck you smokin', bitch?"

Outside of Batting Average, he has already surpassed him in many of the significant categories

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

You ironically say this in response to a post saying that Pedroia is overrated. Yikes.

Shoot, who you got? Its not the strongest of positions historically....Hornsby?

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I 100% agree. I mentioned Pedroia's GG in response to Dirt saying Rollins won one.

I knew that, hence "Also"

 

[navamind]

Hornsby: .358/.434/.577, 175 OPS+
Cano: .305/.354/.495, 126 OPS+

close

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

I love how we "LOL" at a 2nd basemen who will absolutely skate into the HOF on the first ballot by time he is done

 

[navamind]

Joe Morgan was a career .271/.392/.427 hitter. he also had 692 stolen bases and got caught only 162 times.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Hornsby: .358/.434/.577, 175 OPS+
Cano: .305/.354/.495, 126 OPS+

close

Fantastic, you only had to go back to 1915

So maybe 2nd best, dont know how it drastically changes the MVP argument