Game Thread: 7/10 vs. Giants

[calsnowskier]

Best of luck to the young man and hopefully he has his head screwed on tighter than Strick.

I am not concerned with his state of mind. I am just concerned with his health. Dude is made of glass.

 

[1phlapdown]

No.

No, he will not.

Mostly b/c he will not be in the rotation, but also b/c he sucks.

What if Sammy s finished? We may still need Mr Holland.

Oh, I saw Puig at physical therapy today. He had the senior PT working on him.

 

[tzill]

What if Sammy s finished? We may still need Mr Holland.

Oh, I saw Puig at physical therapy today. He had the senior PT working on him.

Finished? Doubtful.

Traded? Hopeful.

 

[calsnowskier]

Finished? Doubtful.

Traded? Hopeful.

Which would make Holland our #5 starter.

 

[SFGRTB]

Best of luck to the young man and hopefully he has his head screwed on tighter than Strick.

After suffering so many injures (including getting injured as a result of his house getting robbed), persevering through it all and making the majors, I don't really worry about this dude's mental state

 

[tzill]

Which would make Holland our #5 starter.

Not necessarily.

signed,

Ty Blach

 

[LHG]

Not necessarily.

signed,

Ty Blach

I think you may not like this one, but I'll say it anyway: I'd rather have Holland start than Blach.

 

[calsnowskier]

Not necessarily.

signed,

Ty Blach

No thank you. He is a mid-inning reliever at best. I would MUCH rather Holland as the 5 than Blach.

 

[tzill]

No thank you. He is a mid-inning reliever at best. I would MUCH rather Holland as the 5 than Blach.

Holland, last two years (44 starts) ERA+ 78.6
Blach, last two years (36 starts) ERA + 88.0

Holland 31 yo
Blach 27 yo

 

[calsnowskier]

Holland, last two years (44 starts) ERA+ 78.6
Blach, last two years (36 starts) ERA + 88.0

Holland 31 yo
Blach 27 yo

You are factoring in Holland’s absolute worst season by far into that somewhat SSS. Holland’s ERA in ‘17 was 6.20. Outside of his rookie year, his worst ERA for a season was 4.95 (granted, that was in ‘16). His career ERA is 4.54 while accumulating 5 seasons of at least 130 IP.

Blach has only been in the league for 1 full season and has a career ERA of 4.48. His one season of at least 130 IP, he had an ERA of 4.78.

At the end of the day, neither pitcher is truly more than a #5, but Holland has a career in his back pocket while Blach is still struggling just to show he belongs. The Giants should do what they can to not have either start for any extended period, but in the event that Sammy “disappears”, Holland is the better option right now.

 

[tzill]

You are factoring in Holland’s most recent seasons by far into that somewhat SSS. Holland’s ERA in ‘17 was 6.20. Outside of his rookie year, his worst ERA for a season was 4.95 (granted, that was in ‘16). His career ERA is 4.54 while accumulating 5 seasons of at least 130 IP.

Blach has only been in the league for 1 full season and has a career ERA of 4.48. His one season of at least 130 IP, he had an ERA of 4.78.

At the end of the day, neither pitcher is truly more than a #5, but Holland has a career in his back pocket while Blach is still struggling just to show he belongs. The Giants should do what they can to not have either start for any extended period, but in the event that Sammy “disappears”, Holland is the better option right now.

We can disagree. I fixed your first sentence. I compared them over the same time period, which as you point out is Blach's ONLY time period. There's a reason Hollcrap was an NRI this year. He sucks as a starter. He might be a decent LR, but even then probably not. He threw well today. Let's trade him.

 

[calsnowskier]

We can disagree. I fixed your first sentence. I compared them over the same time period, which as you point out is Blach's ONLY time period. There's a reason Hollcrap was an NRI this year. He sucks as a starter. He might be a decent LR, but even then probably not. He threw well today. Let's trade him.

And if Blach were not under team control, he would end up being an NRI. That is who he is. Ultimately, though, I don’t expect Blach to have as impressive a career as Holland.

 

[tzill]

And if Blach were not under team control, he would end up being an NRI. That is who he is. Ultimately, though, I don’t expect Blach to have as impressive a career as Holland.

That's fine; I don't either. However, that's NOT the criteria we are dealing with TODAY. We are deciding who is the better option moving forward in 2018.

Blach all day and twice on Sunday.

Hollcrap is washed.

 

[calsnowskier]

That's fine; I don't either. However, that's NOT the criteria we are dealing with TODAY. We are deciding who is the better option moving forward in 2018.

Blach all day and twice on Sunday.

Hollcrap is washed.

But the numbers THIS YEAR don’t support that opinion.

Holland: 4.17, 99.1 IP, 98/38 K/BB, 1.329 WHIP
Blach: 4.54, 85.1, 47/28, 1.535

 

[SFGRTB]

The fact that Ty Blach can't muster more than 4.4 K/9 in an era where strikeouts are in the stratosphere will never make me comfortable with the guy. At least Holland has that in his back pocket. But we're discussing swingmen right now. Neither guy is going to be in the rotation long term. Right now Holland is the better option, but history indicates that it won't last. May as well ride the hot hand, though. And it's clear it's Holland, right now.

Also, holy shit I just realized that Holland leads the team in innings.

 

[calsnowskier]

The fact that Ty Blach can't muster more than 4.4 K/9 in an era where strikeouts are in the stratosphere will never make me comfortable with the guy. At least Holland has that in his back pocket. But we're discussing swingmen right now. Neither guy is going to be in the rotation long term. Right now Holland is the better option, but history indicates that it won't last. May as well ride the hot hand, though. And it's clear it's Holland, right now.

Also, holy shit I just realized that Holland leads the team in innings.

Ultimately, I like Stratton better than both. But long term, I think Stratton is also a 6/long man. He is really just a 1-pitch guy, and 1-pitch guys do not have long starting careers.

 

[tzill]

But the numbers THIS YEAR don’t support that opinion.

Holland: 4.17, 99.1 IP, 98/38 K/BB, 1.329 WHIP
Blach: 4.54, 85.1, 47/28, 1.535

I see your point, but I put more stock in a 2 year sample size than a half/quarter year sample. Again, we can disagree, but the PTB do not see Hollturd as a 4.17 ERA pitcher or he'd be in the rotation.

 

[tzill]

The fact that Ty Blach can't muster more than 4.4 K/9 in an era where strikeouts are in the stratosphere will never make me comfortable with the guy. At least Holland has that in his back pocket. But we're discussing swingmen right now. Neither guy is going to be in the rotation long term. Right now Holland is the better option, but history indicates that it won't last. May as well ride the hot hand, though. And it's clear it's Holland, right now.

Also, holy shit I just realized that Holland leads the team in innings.

Sure, I generally agree. But the hypo is Shark traded, and you have to complete the year with one or the other in the rotation.

 

[calsnowskier]

I see your point, but I put more stock in a 2 year sample size than a half/quarter year sample. Again, we can disagree, but the PTB do not see Hollturd as a 4.17 ERA pitcher or he'd be in the rotation.

Over whom?

Sammy is not getting booted.
Bum and Cueto are no-brainers.
Suarez and Rodriguez are pretty well entrenched at this point.

Putting heavy stock in multiple, recent years makes sense. I gotcha there. But Holland has a track record of being a 3/4 when he is going good. Blach has a short track record of being a bad 5. Blach simply is not a starter.

 

[Mays-Fan]

No.

No, he will not.

Mostly b/c he will not be in the rotation, but also b/c he sucks.

He is 24th in the NL in ERA among qualified pitchers. That makes him a #2.

He is 41st in Quality Starts with 6 - that makes him a #3. That's 6 in less than 3 1/2 months, and he's been getting better.

The numbers say you are wrong.

2018 MLB Baseball Pitching Statistics and League Leaders - Major League Baseball - ESPN

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