44 million , do you ?

[Sportster 72]

Yeah I was trying to apply that same metric. Team wins, Cousins loses .... huh? Football is the ultimate team game. It takes all 22 and even that isn't right anymore because there is so much specialty not to mention special teams.

 

[Breed]

So Im curious... why is it when we win games, it was because the team came together. But losses against "GOOD" teams just shows Cousins really isnt worth it??

I thought/still think the wins against the Bucs and the first one against Philly last year. Were much more about Cuz ballin 9000 than the Skins coming together as a team. So I've never ascribed to that mindset of which you speak myself. Truth be told, while I'm not a fan of how QB-centric the NFL has become. Unless you have assembled a truly outstanding defensive team like the Broncos did last year or the Ravens during their 1st Super Bowl run. Defensive squads who were capable of overcoming shitty, lackluster, or unimpressive long term QB play. A team has no chance to win a SB title with a QB who can't or doesn't win games against elite, upper tier or good teams.

IMO the only upper tier teams Cuz looked good against last year were A) the Pats. Unfortunately Skins pass catchers led by PG were horrid far as holding onto very catchable passes by Cuz that day. B) the Pack in the first half/1st drive of second quarter. I don't blame either loss on Cuz, hell, I still wonder how each game would've turned out if A) Skins pass catchers don't collectively shit the bed against the Pats and B) Djax doesn't go into brain fart mode in the GB game.

 

[Sharkinva]

I thought/still think the wins against the Bucs and the first one against Philly last year. Were much more about Cuz ballin 9000 than the Skins coming together as a team. So I've never ascribed to that mindset of which you speak myself. Truth be told, while I'm not a fan of how QB-centric the NFL has become. Unless you have assembled a truly outstanding defensive team like the Broncos did last year or the Ravens during their 1st Super Bowl run. Defensive squads who were capable of overcoming shitty, lackluster, or unimpressive long term QB play. A team has no chance to win a SB title with a QB who can't or doesn't win games against elite, upper tier or good teams.

IMO the only upper tier teams Cuz looked good against last year were A) the Pats. Unfortunately Skins pass catchers led by PG were horrid far as holding onto very catchable passes by Cuz that day. B) the Pack in the first half/1st drive of second quarter. I don't blame either loss on Cuz, hell, I still wonder how each game would've turned out if A) Skins pass catchers don't collectively shit the bed against the Pats and B) Djax doesn't go into brain fart mode in the GB game.

Dude... at least you are honest about it. Half these Cousins hasnt earned it crowd are so hard on Cousins because they are still butt hurt over the failure of Voldemort even if they wont admit it.

 

[gkekoa]

Here is why you sign him with two years guaranteed now.

If he is successful, we get three more years at a bargain price.

If he isn't successful, we draft a QB and start him in two years. We lose nothing.

 

[Breed]

NO no no, breaking most of the team single season records doesnt mean he has earned it. Until he can carry the team with nothing more than a LT, and a center with a 33rd ranked defense, he doesnt deserve more than $5.30 a year guaranteed. Fuck we shouldnt have tagged him this year as we could have let him walk and started Colt McCoy after all.

Breaking the records he did doesn't mean he's earned it. Not necessarily. And its not so much the breaking of the records as it was the timing of Cuz's play that's both a bitch, at least from a management perspective, and a boon from Cuz's perspective. It would've been nice had this taken place in a non-contract renegotiation year. Given the one year successes only to come crashing back down to earth the following year. The Skins have teased us with the last 10 years. I can't fault management for being gun-shy concerning giving Cuz a long term high dollar contract.

 

[Breed]

Here is why you sign him with two years guaranteed now.

If he is successful, we get three more years at a bargain price.

If he isn't successful, we draft a QB and start him in two years. We lose nothing.

Is there anything in evidence suggesting Cuz and his agent are amenable to going that route?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Half these Cousins hasnt earned it crowd are so hard on Cousins because they are still butt hurt over the failure of Voldemort even if they wont admit it.

Nonsense. One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[gkekoa]

Is there anything in evidence suggesting Cuz and his agent are amenable to going that route?

Just that article stating Cousins was looking for close to that.

 

[gkekoa]

Breaking the records he did doesn't mean he's earned it. Not necessarily. And its not so much the breaking of the records as it was the timing of Cuz's play that's both a bitch, at least from a management perspective, and a boon from Cuz's perspective. It would've been nice had this taken place in a non-contract renegotiation year. Given the one year successes only to come crashing back down to earth the following year. The Skins have teased us with the last 10 years. I can't fault management for being gun-shy concerning giving Cuz a long term high dollar contract.

This was the first year KC was actually given a chance because RG3 had to be given every advantage.

 

[ehb5]

Yeah I agree with you guys, I'd go ahead and sign him. Sure it's a risk, he's hardly a proven commodity. But going back into the draft is a really crazy idea, we've been trying to draft a QB for 25 years. How many QBs have the Browns drafted in the same amount of time?

And what's the Colts success rate on 1st round qbs in that time frame?

 

[skinsdad62]

i think you give him the 44 mil , and add 3 years at a reasonable price with an out clause
sooner or later we have to commit to a guy

 

[ehb5]

If he has an out after year 2 of an extension it's probably fine because that's really just 1 extra year. At the same time just letting him play out the year is probably fine. The scenario most likely to lead to a disaster is signing a huge contract with no outs that we regret. Obviously he could live up to that deal but I just think it's safer to pay for 1 or 2 years at most for now.

 

[Breed]

This was the first year KC was actually given a chance because RG3 had to be given every advantage.

No doubt that the coddling of Griffin has factored huge into the present situation the Skins find themselves in. I'd opine that the wasted seasons of giving Griffin every advantage thereby relegating Cuz to the bench. At the least has fucked off a good season and a half for the Skins and Cuz. And has become a bigger negative than the draft picks the Skins traded away for Griffin.

Just the article stating Cousins was looking for close to that.

If that indeed is the case. The Skins need to jump on that faster than you or I could drop a hot crack pipe. Particularly if Luck and the Colts are on the way to redefining salaries for NFL QBs.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nonsense. One has nothing to do with the other.

From the Front Office stand point, maybe not. As far as the fan base... you bet your ass people are overly gunshy about committing to Cousins at the moment in light of the fact that many gave their hearts and minds over to the last guy being the franchise QB for this team. And I could see as to where the front office might be a little gunshy about commitment partially for this reason as well.

 

[gkekoa]

If he wants 44 million in guaranteed money, and we guarantee the first two years, then that is your out. You don't give him 44 million in guaranteed money unless you get a five year deal.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

And what's the Colts success rate on 1st round qbs in that time frame?

Pretty sure my team won't be picking first overall in a year that just happens to have a once in a decade QB prospect as the Colts did, twice.

 

[ehb5]

Pretty sure my team won't be picking first overall in a year that just happens to have a once in a decade QB prospect as the Colts did, twice.

My point is just that Cleveland has been really unlucky/really poorly run. There are plenty of success stories in the draft. Do we wana put ourselves in that position? Obviously not. But it's not the death sentence some people think it is.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

My point is just that Cleveland has been really unlucky/really poorly run. There are plenty of success stories in the draft. Do we wana put ourselves in that position? Obviously not. But it's not the death sentence some people think it is.

Not a death sentence but pretty damn close. Just look at the miss rate of QBs in the draft with all teams not named Cleveland. It's really daunting. Even if you get blind lucky and beat those long odds you set your self back a few years as the guy develops.

Schecter made a good point on the radio. Imagine the price tag for Kirk on the open market. $22 mil/ year looks like a bargain considering what other offers he would get.

 

[ehb5]

Not a death sentence but pretty damn close. Just look at the miss rate of QBs in the draft with all teams not named Cleveland. It's really daunting. Even if you get blind lucky and beat those long odds you set your self back a few years as the guy develops.

Schecter made a good point on the radio. Imagine the price tag for Kirk on the open market. $22 mil/ year looks like a bargain considering what other offers he would get.

I disagree on how bad it is and what it does for your time line but it all depends on the situation really. And your right his contract could end up being a steal if we signed him now but it could also be an overpay. And Brock Osweiler got like 80 million n FA. I think the market gets a little carried away sometimes.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Well this is going to be interesting!