43 rushes for 154 yards

[Schmoopy1000]

seems to me a lot of people around here doesn't understand what pounding the rock means. it isn't about their avg per carry.
if they ran the ball 12 times for an 8 yd avg wouldn't be considered pounding the rock.
if they ran the ball 30 times for a 3 yd avg would be considered pounding the rock.
the team with 12 carries would have more yds & ran the ball better, but that isn't pounding the rock.
Just for FYI

 

[jarntt]

Exactly. Pounding the rock just means running the ball a lot. But, remember the source...

 

[FLSkinsfan]

FLskins fan...not talking about you. Good points. I disagree because we NEED to run the ball more to maximize those "best players". We can't have teams pinning their ears back and coming at Romo like they have the last few years and Romo is a great at Play action. We also can't stop running the ball just because we may struggle a little in some games. If we don't run the ball a lot more than last year we are either losing a lot or being dumb. Good chance one or both happens, but I hope not.

Thanks jarntt! I like to talk to other team fans to see how things are going. I do have one rule that I follow. If a comment gets under my skin (pun intended) I think about what I want to say and then either do not post, or I calm down and see their side and then give them my 2 cents. I never like to "troll", but I like to see how others think. Only face to face do I get a little more aggressive, because as you know friends that are fans of other teams can really mess with your head.

I do agree that you need to pound the rock more. This will help control the clock, but an OC that has a big three that you have sometimes will lose focus on the plodding of the run game and go for the big play, especially if it is not going the way you want it to go. The first couple of games will be the test.

 

[tw1st3d]

Exactly. Pounding the rock just means running the ball a lot. But, remember the source...

I've always understood it to be controlling the clock and the game flow.

Like I said if you run three straight times for 3.5 yards... thats a 1st down... OFC it doesn't work like that will be big runs and short runs and that's just the average.

In the 90s I saw Bo Jackson run 14 times for 120+ and the raiders lose.
I also saw Sanders run 12 times for almost 140 and Detroit lose.

It's about controlling the flow of the game.

 

[tw1st3d]

I've always understood it to be controlling the clock and the game flow.

Like I said if you run three straight times for 3.5 yards... thats a 1st down... OFC it doesn't work like that will be big runs and short runs and that's just the average.

In the 90s I saw Bo Jackson run 14 times for 120+ and the raiders lose.
I also saw Sanders run 12 times for almost 140 and Detroit lose.

It's about controlling the flow of the game.

Can you imagine what Smith career avg numbers would have been if when we were winning on those 90s teams they didn't just run him over and over to kill the clock in the 4th quarter......

 

[UK Cowboy]

Can you imagine what Smith career avg numbers would have been if when we were winning on those 90s teams they didn't just run him over and over to kill the clock in the 4th quarter......

That hurt his average, along with an entire career of running into an 8 or 9 man front on 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, or 4 runs from inside the 5 to punch it in against a stacked line. The people who use YPC against Emmitt in comparing him to other all time greats make me laugh out loud. He was the best player on one of the best teams ever

 

[PDay8810]

Every time I think the Cowboys are not by a million miles the team on every other fans minds I see a thread at midnight on a board with not much traffic, that gets trolled within minutes and realize we are still always on their minds.

I know, I know...it was a coincidence that you clicked on the board for the first time in your life and just happened to notice the thread...

And the skins fans...anyone else notice a difference in them this year after stumbling out of the cellar for the first time in how long? I never understood why people go to other teams boards and understand even less why they do it for no other reason than to act like a dick...

Had to laugh at this post jarntt.
I tend to think it's because Dallas remains the skids benchmark. Could be wrong....it just hasn't showed itself to often

shout out to shark & bovey

 

[Kevin12773]

That hurt his average, along with an entire career of running into an 8 or 9 man front on 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, or 4 runs from inside the 5 to punch it in against a stacked line. The people who use YPC against Emmitt in comparing him to other all time greats make me laugh out loud. He was the best player on one of the best teams ever

Cowboy- while I understand what you're saying and smith is in the conversation as best ever how you can defend smith running into an 8-9 box is a stretch. The cowboys passing game helped him greatly. Now I personally think Walter was the best ever and playing on for the most part lousy teams with the zero help from a passing game. Here's a couple of the signal callers he worked with:
Bob Avellini
Vince Evans
Mike Phipps
Jim McMahon
Steve fuller
Greg Landry
Rusty Lisch
Now here is an example of a guy who was basically a one man wrecking crew as a Rb
Running into an 8 man box.

 

[tw1st3d]

Cowboy- while I understand what you're saying and smith is in the conversation as best ever how you can defend smith running into an 8-9 box is a stretch. The cowboys passing game helped him greatly. Now I personally think Walter was the best ever and playing on for the most part lousy teams with the zero help from a passing game. Here's a couple of the signal callers he worked with:
Bob Avellini
Vince Evans
Mike Phipps
Jim McMahon
Steve fuller
Greg Landry
Rusty Lisch
Now here is an example of a guy who was basically a one man wrecking crew as a Rb
Running into an 8 man box.

And that would be why many consider Walter the greatest.

The reason I even said can you imagine Smith's stats if he wasn't running the clock out in 4th quarters is because not too long ago someone on here posted Sanders stats compared to Emmitt ... and they were close... But Barry was slightly better...... Thing is Barry was never used to kill the clock at the end of games.. He wasn't a guy you used if you had a 1 score lead 3 or 7 to run right up the gut ... for 3 yards to on 3 straight plays the kill the clock.

 

[Kevin12773]

And that would be why many consider Walter the greatest.

The reason I even said can you imagine Smith's stats if he wasn't running the clock out in 4th quarters is because not too long ago someone on here posted Sanders stats compared to Emmitt ... and they were close... But Barry was slightly better...... Thing is Barry was never used to kill the clock at the end of games.. He wasn't a guy you used if you had a 1 score lead 3 or 7 to run right up the gut ... for 3 yards to on 3 straight plays the kill the clock.

If it was 3rd and 3 I'd take smith 10 out 10 times over Barry

 

[FLSkinsfan]

If it was 3rd and 3 I'd take smith 10 out 10 times over Barry

There are 4 running backs that I think are arguably could be considered the best.

Barry Sanders
Emmitt Smith
Walter Payton
Jim Brown

Can't go wrong with any of them and at any time in Football. To argue who is best would be futile. Walter and Emmitt are probably the best all round. Jim with more Power. Then Barry just being Barry, making a loss into a 20yrd gain. I would take any of them at any time, any down and any Yardage. If AP can stay healthy for a few more good years, you would have to put his name in there as well.

 

[UK Cowboy]

There are 4 running backs that I think are arguably could be considered the best.

Barry Sanders
Emmitt Smith
Walter Payton
Jim Brown

Can't go wrong with any of them and at any time in Football. To argue who is best would be futile. Walter and Emmitt are probably the best all round. Jim with more Power. Then Barry just being Barry, making a loss into a 20yrd gain. I would take any of them at any time, any down and any Yardage. If AP can stay healthy for a few more good years, you would have to put his name in there as well.

I agree about Peterson, just needs a little more time. I think he's already in that next tier of guys like Davis, Dickerson, Campbell and Sayers

 

[negativeCreep]

Cowboy- while I understand what you're saying and smith is in the conversation as best ever how you can defend smith running into an 8-9 box is a stretch. The cowboys passing game helped him greatly. Now I personally think Walter was the best ever and playing on for the most part lousy teams with the zero help from a passing game. Here's a couple of the signal callers he worked with:
Bob Avellini
Vince Evans
Mike Phipps
Jim McMahon
Steve fuller
Greg Landry
Rusty Lisch
Now here is an example of a guy who was basically a one man wrecking crew as a Rb
Running into an 8 man box.

It works about the same as an outsider demeaning his accomplishments with the "he had (this) or he had (that) and only because he had (this) was he anything special" - Fact is, he earned every yeard he ever got and was the main cog in that offense. "Best Ever" is a matter of opinion and can be debated till you turn blue in the face, however he is the NFL's All Time Leading Rusher, emphasis on 'all-time' - I'm just soo sick and tired of the O-Line and the Troy talk - were they good or great? Sure, but Emmitt is all time. I'll take all time over all day any week of the year.

 

[apratt21]

I've always understood it to be controlling the clock and the game flow.

Like I said if you run three straight times for 3.5 yards... thats a 1st down... OFC it doesn't work like that will be big runs and short runs and that's just the average.

In the 90s I saw Bo Jackson run 14 times for 120+ and the raiders lose.
I also saw Sanders run 12 times for almost 140 and Detroit lose.

It's about controlling the flow of the game.

I always thought it was something you did once your wife left the house.:rollseyes:

 

[FLSkinsfan]

It works about the same as an outsider demeaning his accomplishments with the "he had (this) or he had (that) and only because he had (this) was he anything special" - Fact is, he earned every yeard he ever got and was the main cog in that offense. "Best Ever" is a matter of opinion and can be debated till you turn blue in the face, however he is the NFL's All Time Leading Rusher, emphasis on 'all-time' - I'm just soo sick and tired of the O-Line and the Troy talk - were they good or great? Sure, but Emmitt is all time. I'll take all time over all day any week of the year.

I do not think it is so much the team as it is that Barry decided to retire in his prime. At the age of 30. Emmit played till he was 35 averaged less yards per year then Barry. I think that if he would have stayed for 2 more years that he would have the record, but he did not. I think that is were fans of Barry and non fans of the Cowboys wish he would have done. Play a couple of more years and this debate would not be there, but it is. I have stated my thoughts on the 4 best ever. But I think it would have been interesting to see Barry behind a line that did not allow him to get hit in the back field so often.

 

[PDay8810]

No one has rushed for more yards after turning 28 than Smith (8,195).

Now to assume others woulda......

Emmitt himself has no problem tipping a hat to sweetness and Barry.
best pure runningback for my money but that has everything to do with 3 championships in four year and watching 8K plus yards after age 27

Emmitt gets his dues.....certainly here

 

[Kevin12773]

No one has rushed for more yards after turning 28 than Smith (8,195).

Now to assume others woulda......

Emmitt himself has no problem tipping a hat to sweetness and Barry.
best pure runningback for my money but that has everything to do with 3 championships in four year and watching 8K plus yards after age 27

Emmitt gets his dues.....certainly here

Don't disagree with anything you said. I was referencing the comment about his YPC and him constantly running into a 8-9 man box is when I called Bullshit on that.

 

[FLSkinsfan]

No one has rushed for more yards after turning 28 than Smith (8,195).

Now to assume others woulda......

Emmitt himself has no problem tipping a hat to sweetness and Barry.
best pure runningback for my money but that has everything to do with 3 championships in four year and watching 8K plus yards after age 27

Emmitt gets his dues.....certainly here

Yards after the age of 27
Barry ran for 2 years over 3.5K yards
Emmitt ran for 7 years 8.12K yards
If Barry did not retire in his prime then like I said, this would not even be talked about. Emmitt is in the discussion as the best back every, but you can not over look the extra 5 years he played and the fact that we was on the best team in football from 1992 to 1996.

 

[blue jersey jinx]

It works about the same as an outsider demeaning his accomplishments with the "he had (this) or he had (that) and only because he had (this) was he anything special" - Fact is, he earned every yeard he ever got and was the main cog in that offense. "Best Ever" is a matter of opinion and can be debated till you turn blue in the face, however he is the NFL's All Time Leading Rusher, emphasis on 'all-time' - I'm just soo sick and tired of the O-Line and the Troy talk - were they good or great? Sure, but Emmitt is all time. I'll take all time over all day any week of the year.

I'd still take Earl Campbell or Tony Dorsett over Emmitt Smith any day.

 

[jarntt]

If Barry did not retire in his prime then like I said, this would not even be talked about.

Maybe, maybe not. That's the whole thing about Emmitt and setting the record in the first place, he kept going. Age is funny; every year there is a new guy that 'only needs x yards per y years' and he is going to break the record and they don't do it. Barry was the shiftiest SOB ever, but if he lost that shiftiness he was nothing. How do you know he would have continued to play at a high level? Maybe there was a reason he retired? It could have been like a speed receiver that loses his speed and falls off the map.