25 games for Torres

[jstewismybastardson]

lmao

Despite his 25-game suspension, Raffi Torres scores the winning goal as #Chelsea advance to the UCL Finals!

 

[BOSSMANPC]

I wonder how many games he gets if Hossa skates back to the bench? Again result or intent?

 

[fonze232]

I wonder how many games he gets if Hossa skates back to the bench? Again result or intent?

6?
NHL suspensions are all about result.

 

[dash]

Shanny was feeling the heat and Torres was an easy target with his rap sheet. Of course, several GMs and players then stated that they thought the punishment was much too harsh. It's a no-win situation.

 

[mattola]

11m Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC
Hearing Raffi Torres has asked NHLPA to appeal 25-game suspension. (More coming)...

9m Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC
Apparently, is not arguing the fact he was disciplined, but saying 25 games was "excessive"...CBA says discipline needs to be enforced in...

7m Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC
a "consistent" manner and question will be was his suspension consistent with others? (More)

6m Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC
All appeals are heard by Commissioner Bettman. He can decide to a) have in-person hearing b) phone hearing or c) none at all

Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC
Bettman must issue a written ruling upon his decision.

 

[dash]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bettman knocks five games off the suspension...

 

[mattola]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bettman knocks five games off the suspension...

It is excessive. but I think its good. I wouldn't do anything to it.

does anyone even know Hossas condition?

 

[dash]

It is excessive. but I think its good. I wouldn't do anything to it.

does anyone even know Hossas condition?

Oh I agree, but you know the little man wants to put his stamp on something any chance he gets.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

CBA says discipline needs to be enforced in...
a "consistent" manner and question will be was his suspension consistent with others? (More).

you read this and you think he's got a chance at winning his appeal no matter how vile you think Raffi Torres is

@FriedgeHNIC
All appeals are heard by Commissioner Bettman.

but then you read this and you realize Raffi has no chance

why would the NHLPA agree to have appeals heard by the commissioner? ... DUMB!

 

[higgyfan4]

you read this and you think he's got a chance at winning his appeal no matter how vile you think Raffi Torres is



but then you read this and you realize Raffi has no chance

why would the NHLPA agree to have appeals heard by the commissioner? ... DUMB!

It's the same way in the NFL and the NBA too I believe...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

It's the same way in the NFL and the NBA too I believe...

also DUMB

 

[mattola]

also DUMB

would a committee work? maybe of senior Refs retired?

 

[puckhead]

tough spot for Batman.
- does he really want to undermine Shanny a year after his appointment?
- but he "own da chiefs", so has a bit of an interest there.

I think the former factor, and the reluctance to have an appearance of conflict of interest from the latter, says that the appeal falls flat.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

both parties are ok with independent arbitrators hearing salary matters ... why not discipline matters ... NHL has shown it's incapable of consistency in discipline decisions

 

[mattola]

tough spot for Batman.
- does he really want to undermine Shanny a year after his appointment?
- but he "own da chiefs", so has a bit of an interest there.

I think the former factor, and the reluctance to have an appearance of conflict of interest from the latter, says that the appeal falls flat.

all they have done is undermine Shanny we just dont see it openly.

 

[dash]

Yeah, it's not as if they've haven't cut the legs out from under Shanny already. He tried to lay the law down early with a harsh suspension to Wiz and a couple of other players and GMs around the league started complaining. All of a sudden, we're back to the Colin Campbell "Wheel of Justice" and inconsistency.

 

[rares]

I don't see the suspension changed/shortened in any way but nice try a-hole!

 

[mattola]

Marian Hossa starting to feel better after Raffi Torres' illegal head hit in the playoffs - Inside the Blackhawks

 

[Slimpikins]

both parties are ok with independent arbitrators hearing salary matters ... why not discipline matters ... NHL has shown it's incapable of consistency in discipline decisions

In salary arbitration you are only disagreeing on the number of dollars in a contract, in disciplinary hearings you are sending messages and setting a tone on what is acceptable. The disciplinary hearings have a MUCH bigger impact on the sport and in turning that over to a third party the NHL would be possibly giving up a substantial amount of control over it's own league. I would never go for that as an owner.

Plus it would make them write a much more concise rulebook to limit the arbiters influence, and that sounds like a lot of effort...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

In salary arbitration you are only disagreeing on the number of dollars in a contract, in disciplinary hearings you are sending messages and setting a tone on what is acceptable. The disciplinary hearings have a MUCH bigger impact on the sport and in turning that over to a third party the NHL would be possibly giving up a substantial amount of control over it's own league. I would never go for that as an owner.

Plus it would make them write a much more concise rulebook to limit the arbiters influence, and that sounds like a lot of effort...

great points but Im talking strictly about the appeals process ... ie is the number of games Torres was suspended consistent with other games suspended for similar acts ... just look at the number and the circumstances surrounding the punishable offence and find a comparable ... (sounds like salary aribitration) and have someone that is removed from the league preside over the appeal so there is no perception of bias

CBA says discipline needs to be enforced in...
a "consistent" manner and question will be was his suspension consistent with others

the NHL planted the seed in previous years that playoff games count for double time ... until shanny said this season anecdotally that they count for 10 times a regular season game ... I dont wanna sound like a defense attorney but wheres the fairness and consistency?