2025 HOF ballot

[MilkSpiller22]

how on earth does someone leave Ichiro off a ballot

Tired of asking those questions. It was probably a ny writer who wants Mariano to be the only one.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But at least the writers put in the correct 3.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Would have been ok with Andruw. But I think I like this 3 more than the 4 with andruw

 

[calsnowskier]

how on earth does someone leave Ichiro off a ballot

How do B&C go through 10 cycles without ever getting in?

 

[calsnowskier]

But at least the writers put in the correct 3.

Wagner doesn’t belong anywhere near the Hall without getting his hand stamped as he goes in so he can get back in in the afternoon.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Wagner doesn’t belong anywhere near the Hall without getting his hand stamped as he goes in so he can get back in in the afternoon.

Again. I disagre. One of the best closers of all time. And one of the best lefty rps of all time.

 

[calsnowskier]

Again. I disagre. One of the best closers of all time. And one of the best lefty rps of all time.

Not a dying-hill, granted. But a strong opinion I have. I never once saw him pitch and thought “Wow. There goes a future HOFer. I am lucky to be watching him.”

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Not a dying-hill, granted. But a strong opinion I have. I never once saw him pitch and thought “Wow. There goes a future HOFer. I am lucky to be watching him.”

Baseball reference has a fun stat that I just saw
R-jaws. It’s a war just for relievers when they are relievers.

He is ranked 6 in that all time. Top 5 are all in the hof.

 

[msgkings322]

Wagner doesn’t belong anywhere near the Hall without getting his hand stamped as he goes in so he can get back in in the afternoon.

His numbers look a lot like Mariano's actually. Higher K/9, lower WHIP, only .10 higher ERA

Not saying he's better but he's close to the guy who got in unanimously

 

[msgkings322]

Not a dying-hill, granted. But a strong opinion I have. I never once saw him pitch and thought “Wow. There goes a future HOFer. I am lucky to be watching him.”

And yet when I watched Omar Vizquel play I thought the opposite. Sometimes the eye test is deceiving (although Omar certainly deserves it over Ozzie Smith)

 

[bksballer89]

Don’t be a pussy

 

[calsnowskier]

His numbers look a lot like Mariano's actually. Higher K/9, lower WHIP, only .10 higher ERA

Not saying he's better but he's close to the guy who got in unanimously

Mariano is an anecdotal HOFer. And there is no way he deserves to be the first/only unanimous HOFer.

 

[calsnowskier]

And yet when I watched Omar Vizquel play I thought the opposite. Sometimes the eye test is deceiving (although Omar certainly deserves it over Ozzie Smith)

I have stumped for Omar off and on over the years. I thought he was when I watched him, and he had that air about him during his career. But when you look at his numbers, he really is borderline at best.

 

[Cedrique]

Ichiro was obvious but I didn't think CC had enough Legend.

Oops, my bad. Wrong thread

 

[Pure Steel]

His numbers look a lot like Mariano's actually. Higher K/9, lower WHIP, only .10 higher ERA

Not saying he's better but he's close to the guy who got in unanimously

Now compare their playoff stats…….

 

[msgkings322]

Now compare their playoff stats…….

Already said Mariano is better. But Wagners numbers are just as good not counting the games he has no control how many times he gets to pitch in

 

[Pure Steel]

Already said Mariano is better. But Wagners numbers are just as good not counting the games he has no control how many times he gets to pitch in

His post season numbers were terrible in a small sample…..Mariano was actually better in the post season and faced a DH his entire career in a pretty strong AL East…..

 

[msgkings322]

His post season numbers were terrible in a small sample…..Mariano was actually better in the post season and faced a DH his entire career in a pretty strong AL East…..

And he's a unanimous HOFer because of it. Just pushing back on people not supporting Wagner when his (regular season, meaning most of them) numbers are basically the same.

 

[chappee11]

Here’s the final balloting. Beltran looks like he’ll get the nod in the next couple of years. Andruw running out of time and probably won’t get in next year:

 

[chappee11]

And yet when I watched Omar Vizquel play I thought the opposite. Sometimes the eye test is deceiving (although Omar certainly deserves it over Ozzie Smith)

Omar doesn’t deserve it at all. He was a straight-up compiler and was probably the 6th or 7th best player on some of those stacked Indians teams in the 90’s. He was very good, but not HOF.