2024 Rookie Critique

[HaroldSeattle]

I could see a new type of scoring system come into play in FF where RB's get a .5 per carry to try to even things out.

 

[averagejoe]

RE: WR
If you look at FantasyPros' Tiers, there are a good number of rookies in the top 6 tiers.

 

[averagejoe]

I could see a new type of scoring system come into play in FF where RB's get a .5 per carry to try to even things out.

We already added that last year in one of my leagues.

 

[leftypower]

RE: WR
If you look at FantasyPros' Tiers, there are a good number of rookies in the top 6 tiers.

If yrs past have taught us anything it's that someone WILL emerge from the pack and be a real fantasy asset. ... could be a 3rd, 4th or later Rd drafted guy (RB/WR/TE/QB). The stars will align for the guy, be it due to injury, camp standing, scheme, coach preference, whatever, but it's sure to happen. Now if by some stroke of luck you took him, you'll be happy and pat yourself heavily on the back. Yet for everyone of those there will be higher drafted guys who get stuck on the practice squad or end up number 6 on the depth chart - so you just wasted a pick.

 

[TREFF]

First part of that sentence "After the top 4-5 WR's, the one TE, and the 3 QB's" is enough for me to grade this class as a strong one (unless your in a standard scoring league).


That's quiet few for one draft at one position.


Yeah agree, some might add Worthy, but mostly because of the Mahomes effect. Still 5 WRs in a draft that can help solidify a team WR corp is above the average draft class IMO.

Yes but it has a large amount of these, more then you usually see in a draft.


Agreed. This really sucks but in a PPR league (or Super Flex) the WRs and QBs make up for it unless your really hurting at RB vs the rest of the league.

You ain't wrong. I guess my POV is more slanted from the perspective of..who the F needs more WR's these days, especially guys who aren't anything special?? and thus.. the class sucked overall, to me

 

[Bandit]

I could see a new type of scoring system come into play in FF where RB's get a .5 per carry to try to even things out.

I think that might be a little much. Maybe .25 per carry. Of course the problem is that will just make the top 10 guys even more valuable because those are the only guys that are workhorses so if anything it will just make a bigger descrepancy between the top and bottom of the running backs list and not necessarily even out the scoring with wide receivers.

 

[obxyankeefan]

I was in a league with points per carry. The problem becomes when RB A has a 75 yard TD run and ends the game with 8 for 102 and a TD. RB B ends the game with 27 for 102 and a TD.

How do you balance that out? At a half per carry RB B is going to get 9.5 more points than RB A. I was a fan of PPR in the past, because ten years ago the average WR would end the year with 50 - 60 receptions. Now Mike Evans for example had 79 receptions last year, so 5 points per game more for the PPR.

Another example is D1 and D2. The main differences in scoring is D2 is PPR and the FG scoring. D2 starts 1 extra WR and has 2 more teams. D2 out scores D1 by around 25 points per game. The PPR makes a big difference.

 

[wilwhite]

A glut of FF WR3s in a draft doesn’t really help anybody. Seems like the right move after the middle of Round 1 in this year’s rookie draft would have been to go for the remaining couple of QBs and throw darts at RBs. There will probably be serviceable depth WRs on the wire.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think that might be a little much. Maybe .25 per carry. Of course the problem is that will just make the top 10 guys even more valuable because those are the only guys that are workhorses so if anything it will just make a bigger descrepancy between the top and bottom of the running backs list and not necessarily even out the scoring with wide receivers.

I am very partial to .5 PPR and .5 PFD(point for first down)...

I really think that is the best way to do it...

but I can see more of a need for a bonus for big play TDs....

but you are right, any time you make a stat adjustment for a weaker position it really only creates a larger imbalance to that position...

TE premium is a perfect example of this...

but I do find, at least with TE premium, if you can only use a TE at a flex position whether WR/TE or WR/RB/TE it mitigates that advantage...

so maybe we might be getting to the point where you only HAVE to start 1 RB, and then have multiple flexes where you can start a RB...

would
QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, 3 FLEX become the new norm??

 

[SmokingMonkey]

There will probably be serviceable depth WRs on the wire.

How many serviceable WRs did you pick up in old school dynasty?

That only works in redraft when bench spots are limited

 

[TREFF]

How many serviceable WRs did you pick up in old school dynasty?

That only works in redraft when bench spots are limited

%100 accurate.. still though.. you'll find more WR's than you will RB's

 

[averagejoe]

I am very partial to .5 PPR and .5 PFD(point for first down)...

I really think that is the best way to do it...

but I can see more of a need for a bonus for big play TDs....

but you are right, any time you make a stat adjustment for a weaker position it really only creates a larger imbalance to that position...

TE premium is a perfect example of this...

but I do find, at least with TE premium, if you can only use a TE at a flex position whether WR/TE or WR/RB/TE it mitigates that advantage...

so maybe we might be getting to the point where you only HAVE to start 1 RB, and then have multiple flexes where you can start a RB...

would
QB, RB, WR, WR, TE, 3 FLEX become the new norm??

I am probably alone on an island when it comes to scoring (since most owners just want to see more, more, & more).

But if the concept is to be able to balance player value so 1 position is not any more important, then QB is need of the biggest adjustment.

Perhaps eliminate or greatly reduce passing scoring and passing TD points and award points on QBR.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I am probably alone on an island when it comes to scoring (since most owners just want to see more, more, & more).

But if the concept is to be able to balance player value so 1 position is not any more important, then QB is need of the biggest adjustment.

Perhaps eliminate or greatly reduce passing scoring and passing TD points and award points on QBR.

i have always agreed QBs score too much... especially in standard where there is no equalizer in PPR...

In leagues i start, with Milkian statistics used... i try to find a way to measure good QB play over garbage time... and try to find a balance between all positions such that no single position is an advantage...

I try to do it... dont know whether i succeed at doing it...

 

[averagejoe]

Just to dovetail off of my "landing spot" comments...

I was comparing PRE-draft (NFL) rankings with the POST- draft rankings, and there were adjustments based on where guys landed and who was in front of them on the depth chart.

As i mentioned, i may get burned, but if a player is talented enough, it shouldnt matter where he landed.

 

[eaglesnut]

I could see a new type of scoring system come into play in FF where RB's get a .5 per carry to try to even things out.

>All QB yards are 40 per point
>All QB touchdowns are 4 points
>No PPR for WR
>0.5 PPR for RB/TE

Fixed.

 

[ehb5]

but back onto Joe's overall point, rather than rehashing the 'good old days' where we f'ed it all up ..

my rookie critique?
after the top 4-5 WR's, the one TE, and the 3 QB's, this was quite possibly the weakest class in five years or so. I know so many others hold the WR position in high regard in this class..but I honestly don't see it.

3 potential STUDS at WR. And I don't disagree with any of them, they all certainly have the look of being future, weekly, fantasy #1 WR's. Anyone in a normal sized, standard or PPR league who took any one but those 3 first, probably screwed up (myself included in D1). But beyond those 3, there was a group of 2- Brian Thomas, and Lad McConkey, who also appear to have something a little special, and after that..just a bunch of specialists and #2WR types. Don't get me wrong, there's a place in the NFL and on fantasy rosters for #2 WR's, but the overall point being, there's nothing that truly separates this bunch of 10 or so prospects, from the next 15 or so that went later on. I wouldn't lay a significant wager on Worthy, Mitchell, Pearsal, Coleman..etc..being a great asset, any faster than I would make the same wager on Franklin, McAffrey, Thrash or Rice. To me, they may as well all have an equal chance of success.

RB's were just absolute trash, exacerbated by horrid landing spots, there were a grand total of 2 RB's that had the look of an actual NFL RB- J. Brooks, and M. Lloyd. everyone else, has role player written all over them at best. There are a couple, like Benson, Corum and Wright, who might be decent contributors if given the right circumstances, or perhaps they still have some 'blossoming" to be done, but the rest, they sure do seem to be waiver fodder and not long for the league.

in short..if you didn't want/need a QB..after the top 8 picks of this draft, it really didn't matter who was picked next, in terms of 'reaching' or 'over value-ing' An argument could easily be made to take any of them, at any point, and based on your roster's needs, you most likely made the right choice, even if it doesn't end up working out in your favor. There just was no big reason to go any one particular direction over another after those top 8 or so. I can find no good reason to fault any pick, at any position, after that point

I actually kind of agree with the bolded bit, but it does sound a bit funny. There's 3 elite WRs, 2 others that are at least pretty solid looking (though Id put Worthy in this category over McConkey), an all time TE prospect, and 3 very good QBs - that's a kind of loaded draft right there!

But I agree, after that point it starts to fall off quickly, especially if you're drafting for a 1QB league.

 

[ehb5]

I am probably alone on an island when it comes to scoring (since most owners just want to see more, more, & more).

But if the concept is to be able to balance player value so 1 position is not any more important, then QB is need of the biggest adjustment.

Perhaps eliminate or greatly reduce passing scoring and passing TD points and award points on QBR.

Im not a superflex stan, but I do think it helps correct QB values a bit to what they 'should' be.

The other good option I think is to punish QBs for taking sacks - its the one place where really bad QBs can get away without being accurately 'punished' relative to the good QBs.

 

[ehb5]

For shits and giggles since the D2 draft is done. My tiered rookie ranks for this year (somewhat indifferent to the order of people within a tier).

1QB:
1. MHJ
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2. Nabers
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3. Odunze
4. Bowers
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5. Worthy
6. Brooks
7. Caleb
8. Daniels

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9. BTJ
10. McConkey
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11. Pearsall
12. Legette
13. Benson
14. Maye


2QB:
1. Caleb
2. MHJ
----
3. Daniels
4. Nabers
----
5. Maye
6. Odunze
7. Bowers
----
8. McCarthy
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9. Worthy
10. Brooks
11. Nix
12. Penix
----
13. BTJ
14. McConkey
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15. Pearsall
16. Legette
17. Benson


The last tier in each I mostly have interest in due to the draft capital, but don't love the prospect itself. After that point I start losing interest entirely (Ill still happily roster guys after that of course, but Im also happy to trade out of any picks at that point).

 

[wilwhite]

How many serviceable WRs did you pick up in old school dynasty?

That only works in redraft when bench spots are limited

This coming year? None so far!

But I expect almost half the players to hit the wire when we have to cut down to 25 to be WRs.

 

[TREFF]

I actually kind of agree with the bolded bit, but it does sound a bit funny. There's 3 elite WRs, 2 others that are at least pretty solid looking (though Id put Worthy in this category over McConkey), an all time TE prospect, and 3 very good QBs - that's a kind of loaded draft right there!

But I agree, after that point it starts to fall off quickly, especially if you're drafting for a 1QB league.

Well loaded IF you needed a WR, QB, or TE, AND were picking in the top half.. disappointing otherwise