2023 Free Agents

[MrS]

As long as it's at a bargain ( team friendly) for the Seahawks shouldn't discourage them from drafting the QB of the future.

I suppose, but taking a QB top 5 when you have a starter seems unorthodox these days.

 

[JMR]

As long as it's at a bargain ( team friendly) for the Seahawks shouldn't discourage them from drafting the QB of the future.

You've said 'bargain' a couple times now. What is your definition of that in the context of signing Geno? The team should be trying to get the best deal they can (as should Geno), but thinking they can do a Jedi mind trick and get Geno to stay for some low ball number just isn't realistic. I doubt he gets $40M/yr from anyone, but he's also not going to jump at something less than half of that.

 

[flyerhawk]

You've said 'bargain' a couple times now. What is your definition of that in the context of signing Geno? The team should be trying to get the best deal they can (as should Geno), but thinking they can do a Jedi mind trick and get Geno to stay for some low ball number just isn't realistic. I doubt he gets $40M/yr from anyone, but he's also not going to jump at something less than half of that.

He will come in under the transition tag of about 30 million. High 20s is my guess

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You've said 'bargain' a couple times now. What is your definition of that in the context of signing Geno? The team should be trying to get the best deal they can (as should Geno), but thinking they can do a Jedi mind trick and get Geno to stay for some low ball number just isn't realistic. I doubt he gets $40M/yr from anyone, but he's also not going to jump at something less than half of that.

Geno is a bridge QB and if the market gives him more than bridge QB pay, then so be it. Some other team is welcomed to give him 30 million. Only 15 QBs that made more than 20 million last year and a lot of them were not worth it.

 

[flyerhawk]

Geno is a bridge QB and if the market gives him more than bridge QB pay, then so be it. Some other team is welcomed to give him 30 million. Only 15 QBs that made more than 20 million last year and a lot of them were not worth it.

So what would you find to be an acceptable contract?

 

[JMR]

He will come in under the transition tag of about 30 million. High 20s is my guess

Yeah, I'm thinking AAV will be around $30M but with some fluff on the back end.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

So what would you find to be an acceptable contract?

Under 25 million per year (under 20 would be better) and the ability to get out from under the contract after the first year.

 

[flyerhawk]

Under 25 million per year (under 20 would be better) and the ability to get out from under the contract after the first year.

Under 20 is not going to happen. 25 would be pretty darn good. I would think a 4 year deal with the deal being tough to get out of until year 3

 

[JMR]

Geno is a bridge QB and if the market gives him more than bridge QB pay, then so be it. Some other team is welcomed to give him 30 million. Only 15 QBs that made more than 20 million last year and a lot of them were not worth it.

I think we need to embrace the reality that this is going to be a new QB contract, and the freshest ones are almost always viewed as an overpay at the time they're signed because of how the structure of the deal tends to inflate the AAV. You say there were 15 QBs who made over $20M this season (I assume you meant 2022); that checks out from what I found, but it's also true that there were only 7 QBs with a cap number > $20M. Several ways to look at it I guess. Some players are not worth the $, just like many players don't end up being worth a 1st round pick.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I think we need to embrace the reality that this is going to be a new QB contract, and the freshest ones are almost always viewed as an overpay at the time they're signed because of how the structure of the deal tends to inflate the AAV. You say there were 15 QBs who made over $20M this season (I assume you meant 2022); that checks out from what I found, but it's also true that there were only 7 QBs with a cap number > $20M. Several ways to look at it I guess. Some players are not worth the $, just like many players don't end up being worth a 1st round pick.

A lot of FA QBs this off season:





Couldn't get all of them in on one screen shot, but 38 of them. Now they do a market value for some, so I took a look:



No way do I want the Seahawks to pay that. Took a look at Giants QB Jones who is also a FA:



Much rather give Jones 25 million than 39 to Geno. Geno is more in the Jimmy G range talent wise IMO only older and more mistake prone.
It would be a mistake to be tied to him more than a single season ( as insurance for the rookie). Those last 6 games is what you should expect to get from Geno and he'll decline from that soon. Seahawks need take a shot at a QB this draft. The sooner you pick one the better the odds of hitting, but they could still wait until 2nd or 3rd round to take that shot I suppose, but won't be the route I would take ( not that my route counts for anything). In any case Geno isn't the answer and I hope to God the Seahawks don't waste money that could be used better else where on the roster.

 

[flyerhawk]

I think we need to embrace the reality that this is going to be a new QB contract, and the freshest ones are almost always viewed as an overpay at the time they're signed because of how the structure of the deal tends to inflate the AAV. You say there were 15 QBs who made over $20M this season (I assume you meant 2022); that checks out from what I found, but it's also true that there were only 7 QBs with a cap number > $20M. Several ways to look at it I guess. Some players are not worth the $, just like many players don't end up being worth a 1st round pick.

If you look at the list of players....

Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

Ranking the top NFL Quarterback contracts and salaries in the NFL

overthecap.com

And the players below 20 million are either rookie contracts or backups.

Geno, Lamar, Carr and Jimmy G will all get 25+ million. Maybe Jimmy might lower due to injury issues.

 

[MrS]

Geno should try to get the biggest contract he can, we all know each and every one of us would do the same.

If its more than is reasonable for us, then we have to let him go

 

[flyerhawk]

A lot of FA QBs this off season:

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Couldn't get all of them in on one screen shot, but 38 of them. Now they do a market value for some, so I took a look:

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No way do I want the Seahawks to pay that. Took a look at Giants QB Jones who is also a FA:

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Much rather give Jones 25 million than 39 to Geno. Geno is more in the Jimmy G range talent wise IMO only older and more mistake prone.
It would be a mistake to be tied to him more than a single season ( as insurance for the rookie). Those last 6 games is what you should expect to get from Geno and he'll decline from that soon. Seahawks need take a shot at a QB this draft. The sooner you pick one the better the odds of hitting, but they could still wait until 2nd or 3rd round to take that shot I suppose, but won't be the route I would take ( not that my route counts for anything). In any case Geno isn't the answer and I hope to God the Seahawks don't waste money that could be used better else where on the roster.

Geno isn't getting 39 million AAV

 

[HaroldSeattle]

If you look at the list of players....

Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

Ranking the top NFL Quarterback contracts and salaries in the NFL

overthecap.com

And the players below 20 million are either rookie contracts or backups.

Geno, Lamar, Carr and Jimmy G will all get 25+ million. Maybe Jimmy might lower due to injury issues.

The teams that signs them will all regret it.

 

[flyerhawk]

The teams that signs them will all regret it.

As compared to what?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Geno isn't getting 39 million AAV

I don't think so either but that is spotrac market value for him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

As compared to what?

Compared to drafting/finding a more cost effective QB that will deliver more bang for the buck.

 

[flyerhawk]

Compared to drafting/finding a more cost effective QB that will deliver more bang for the buck.

Assuming that they pan out. And you have 4 years with a rookie to get that return before they hit the market.

So you have to pick your spot on drafting a QB. Because if your team is not good you are just wasting those seasons.

It has been the defense that has held this team back for the past 5-6 seasons. We have a couple of promising young players so it makes sense to finishing the rebuild.

 

[MrS]

Compared to drafting/finding a more cost effective QB that will deliver more bang for the buck.

the thing about geno is, he needs a strong supporting cast to succeed. There are a few teams out there that he would be a good fit for, panthers and jets to name a few. He would be a substantial upgrade over what they had this year and I think its premature to assume those teams would be making a mistake.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

the thing about geno is, he needs a strong supporting cast to succeed. There are a few teams out there that he would be a good fit for, panthers and jets to name a few. He would be a substantial upgrade over what they had this year and I think its premature to assume those teams would be making a mistake.

Most of the time it just doesn't work out. You mentioned the Panthers, they signed Bridgewater to big contract then eat it to get rid of him, then they traded for Darnold (2nd round pick) then they traded for Mayfield, then released him. They spent a lot of money, time and assets on second rate QBs and they are still looking.