2022-23 Flyers: How about just less suck?

[chy1127]

NHL tanking rankings: Who's in prime position to secure Connor Bedard?

As the hockey world watches Connor Bedard light up the World Juniors like no other, the NHL's worst teams may take their tank to the next level.

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Somehow the Devils or Penguins will end up with the #1 pick.

 

[lasgop8]

- Yahoo Sports

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[lasgop8]

From a story in SB Nation: Everyone on this board is represented in these four paragraphs whichever side you fall on.

And this begs the question: what’s more valuable for the team in the medium to long term, the value they would get from a top-2 pick, or these lessons learning in how to gut out wins like this?

For some, the answer might just be “yeah, I’ll take a Bedard or an Adam Fantilli, thanks,” and it’s hard to argue with that, but perhaps there’s more to this, more value to be found than from treating this season like it’s a lottery win or bust. We know about the problems that this team was grappling with when this season was starting, and they simply needed to be fixed (because truly, how much value is there in bringing a top prospect into a team that is fractured, full of bad habits).

We’re not here to tell you that you shouldn’t be hopeful that the team can finish badly enough to get themselves a very good player at the top of the draft, but it’s worth remembering that there’s more at stake than whatever happens in the lottery at the end of the season.

The foundation for success is larger than the addition of just one player, as talented as they might be. And while, to be clear, adding a potentially elite prospect to your system will certainly move the needle and it’s hard not to want that, they aren’t a cure-all for a team with much deeper issues, like the Flyers have here. The lottery luck is largely out of their hands, so we can still appreciate the work that’s being done to get players going and correct some bad habits. If they’re able to sustain that over the rest of the season is another question entirely, but if it is a strong foundation that we’re seeing set here, that’s something to appreciate as well.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

I dont know if anyone has been watching the World Juniors but Bedard is on another planet right now. Ive never seen anyone dominate the tourney like he is doing.

It was on the other day but I never got a chance to watch any, 5 year old was running shit with the TV!

 

[Chris p Bacon]

100%! Someone has to take a look at upper management, you can't build a competitive team with that wasteful type spending, further handicapping your future.

 

[eaglesnut]

Holy shit they've won three in a row. Merry fucking Christmas and happy new year.

 

[lasgop8]

Flyers Dilemma: What to do with Sam Ersson and the Goalies?

The Philadelphia Flyers have a goalie dilemma. A good dilemma, if you will. Carter Hart, 24, is clearly their No. 1 goaltender, but they suddenly have a backup, Sam Ersson, who looks like he can establish himself in the NHL. Errson, 23, was excellent as the Flyers swept three road games in...

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[lasgop8]

It was on the other day but I never got a chance to watch any, 5 year old was running shit with the TV!

Tonight 630pm on the NHL network USA vs Canada in the semi finals. Its a must see game.

 

[lasgop8]

Top 25 NHL trade bait board
The Athletic: Top 25 players who could be traded.

1. Bo Horvat – C – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
2. Jakob Chychrun – LD – Arizona Coyotes – two years left
3. Patrick Kane – RW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
4. Timo Meier – LW – San Jose Sharks – pending RFA
5. Jonathan Toews – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
6. John Klingberg – RD – Anahiem Ducks – pending UFA
7. Ryan O’Reilly – C – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
8. Vladimir Tarasenko – RW – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
9. Vladislav Gavrikov – LD – Columbus Blues Jackets – pending UFA
10. Brock Boeser – RW – Vancouver Canucks – two years left
11. Matt Dumba – RD – Minnesota Wild – pending UFA
12. Shayne Gostisbehere – RD – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA
13. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW – Edmonton Oilers – pending RFA
14. Anthony Duclair – RW – Florida Panthers – one year left
15. James van Riemsdyk – LW – Philadelphia Flyers – pending UFA
16. Sean Monahan – C – Montreal Canadiens – pending UFA
17. Andreas Athanasiou – LW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
18. Joel Edmundson – LD – Montreal Canadiens – one year left
19. James Reimer – G – San Jose Sharks – pending UFA
20. Gustav Nyquist – LW – Columbus Blue Jackets – pending UFA
21. Dmitry Kulikov – RD – Anaheim Ducks – pending UFA
22. Max Domi – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
23. Cam Talbot – G – Ottawa Senators – pending UFA
24. Luke Schenn – D – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
25. Nick Ritchie – LW – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Top 25 NHL trade bait board
The Athletic: Top 25 players who could be traded.

1. Bo Horvat – C – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
2. Jakob Chychrun – LD – Arizona Coyotes – two years left
3. Patrick Kane – RW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
4. Timo Meier – LW – San Jose Sharks – pending RFA
5. Jonathan Toews – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
6. John Klingberg – RD – Anahiem Ducks – pending UFA
7. Ryan O’Reilly – C – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
8. Vladimir Tarasenko – RW – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
9. Vladislav Gavrikov – LD – Columbus Blues Jackets – pending UFA
10. Brock Boeser – RW – Vancouver Canucks – two years left
11. Matt Dumba – RD – Minnesota Wild – pending UFA
12. Shayne Gostisbehere – RD – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA
13. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW – Edmonton Oilers – pending RFA
14. Anthony Duclair – RW – Florida Panthers – one year left
15. James van Riemsdyk – LW – Philadelphia Flyers – pending UFA
16. Sean Monahan – C – Montreal Canadiens – pending UFA
17. Andreas Athanasiou – LW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
18. Joel Edmundson – LD – Montreal Canadiens – one year left
19. James Reimer – G – San Jose Sharks – pending UFA
20. Gustav Nyquist – LW – Columbus Blue Jackets – pending UFA
21. Dmitry Kulikov – RD – Anaheim Ducks – pending UFA
22. Max Domi – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
23. Cam Talbot – G – Ottawa Senators – pending UFA
24. Luke Schenn – D – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
25. Nick Ritchie – LW – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA

Duclair is the only one on that list still worth a fuck.

 

[purdue81]

Top 25 NHL trade bait board
The Athletic: Top 25 players who could be traded.

1. Bo Horvat – C – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
2. Jakob Chychrun – LD – Arizona Coyotes – two years left
3. Patrick Kane – RW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
4. Timo Meier – LW – San Jose Sharks – pending RFA
5. Jonathan Toews – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
6. John Klingberg – RD – Anahiem Ducks – pending UFA
7. Ryan O’Reilly – C – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
8. Vladimir Tarasenko – RW – St. Louis Blues – pending UFA
9. Vladislav Gavrikov – LD – Columbus Blues Jackets – pending UFA
10. Brock Boeser – RW – Vancouver Canucks – two years left
11. Matt Dumba – RD – Minnesota Wild – pending UFA
12. Shayne Gostisbehere – RD – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA
13. Jesse Puljujarvi – RW – Edmonton Oilers – pending RFA
14. Anthony Duclair – RW – Florida Panthers – one year left
15. James van Riemsdyk – LW – Philadelphia Flyers – pending UFA
16. Sean Monahan – C – Montreal Canadiens – pending UFA
17. Andreas Athanasiou – LW – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
18. Joel Edmundson – LD – Montreal Canadiens – one year left
19. James Reimer – G – San Jose Sharks – pending UFA
20. Gustav Nyquist – LW – Columbus Blue Jackets – pending UFA
21. Dmitry Kulikov – RD – Anaheim Ducks – pending UFA
22. Max Domi – C – Chicago Blackhawks – pending UFA
23. Cam Talbot – G – Ottawa Senators – pending UFA
24. Luke Schenn – D – Vancouver Canucks – pending UFA
25. Nick Ritchie – LW – Arizona Coyotes – pending UFA

I drove across Staten Island yesterday LAS. Did you see me waving at you ?

 

[Maverick426h]

I agree with most of this, with the one caveat is that I'd rather have the McDavid/Draisatl/Matthews/Marner portion of the roster taken care of than to have what the Flyers have in most cases (guys that would be good or even great mid-bottom of the lineup guys on a contender). The one exception being Hart. Getting the goalie figured out is key too, which Toronto/Edmonton/Carolina don't have. Add in that the Flyers are in worse shape cap wise than some of these teams and it looks like even more of a disaster. They're projected to spend more cap space than Boston, Carolina, and Colorado this year. You can't tie up this much money on the bottom of the lineup and then go bargain hunting for top of the lineup players. It's so backwards. I don't understand how anyone in the Flyers organization can be OK with what they've done.

We need to draft better, first off. Carolina took Aho 35th overall, Slavin 120th overall and Necas 12th overall in 3 different drafts. That's 3 of their top 4 or 5 players. So, you don't necessarily need top 5 overall picks to draft your top players.

If we draft the right players (regardless of where we finish) and establish the team culture and identity that we want moving forward, by the time we sign those players to real money deals, guys like Hayes and Risto will probably be gone anyway.

Also, our available cap space doesn't matter much anyway if all we do is keep making the wrong decisions with free space.

 

[lasgop8]

I drove across Staten Island yesterday LAS. Did you see me waving at you ?

Man i was working in the city all day but welcome to the Big Apple where you can catch a Broadway show and get murdered all in the same day.

Enjoy your trip across NYC.

 

[lasgop8]

Duclair is the only one on that list still worth a fuck.

I agree most of these players would be rentals and we are in no position to trade for a rental.

Duclair however with one year still remaining i can agree with.

 

[lasgop8]

OMFG. After years of multiple people trying to help you understand the fallacy of plus/minus, you’re still quoting it as a meaningful stat. Jesus Christ. Good to see nothing has changed with you, Larry and Curly.

Mid season grades from the Athletic: Hey JBM how does it feel to call me out and be so wrong.

Seeler C+
Prov C
DeAngelko C-
Sanheim D+
Braun D+
Risto D+
Zamula D


Disclaimer for Jackasses like JBM: Everyone on this board all ready knows that plus/ minus is not and end all be all stat but its a very good indicator of whos playing well and who is not.

 

[lasgop8]

Im am so disappointed on how Gauthier just glided around or stood and watched on almost every shift he took last night. It was to the point where the US top line was playing 4 on 5. It looked like he was in a coma or awestruck by the talent he was looking at on Canada. I was so psyched for him to play well last night. Needless to say it was a huge let down.

 

[awaz]

We need to draft better, first off. Carolina took Aho 35th overall, Slavin 120th overall and Necas 12th overall in 3 different drafts. That's 3 of their top 4 or 5 players. So, you don't necessarily need top 5 overall picks to draft your top players.

If we draft the right players (regardless of where we finish) and establish the team culture and identity that we want moving forward, by the time we sign those players to real money deals, guys like Hayes and Risto will probably be gone anyway.

Also, our available cap space doesn't matter much anyway if all we do is keep making the wrong decisions with free space.

Oh absolutely they need to draft better. But for every Aho/Slavin you can find a hundred examples of 35th and 120th overall picks that didn't become high end guys. The chances of getting a high quality player are higher at the top of the draft. And I'd rather pick there, among guys that are so heavily scouted, than to trust the Flyers cadre of scouts to uncover guys in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds.

The odds of getting a high end player are higher at the top of the draft. You can be an extremely fortunate fan and root for a team that's as well run as the Canes or Lightning; but I think one thing every single one of us can agree on is that the Flyers are not well run like that. Or even close to it.

 

[lasgop8]

I thought i heard them say this in the Ducks game, we have 11 first round picks on the ice playing that night.

 

[awaz]

Im am so disappointed on how Gauthier just glided around or stood and watched on almost every shift he took last night. It was to the point where the US top line was playing 4 on 5. It looked like he was in a coma or awestruck by the talent he was looking at on Canada. I was so psyched for him to play well last night. Needless to say it was a huge let down.

Hate to hear that. I wasn't watching but was kind of following along and was hoping he'd have a big game. He was invisible in my 'following along', but I held out hope that it just didn't show up on twitter or in stats. Sad to hear it was an accurate representation

 

[lasgop8]

Hate to hear that. I wasn't watching but was kind of following along and was hoping he'd have a big game. He was invisible in my 'following along', but I held out hope that it just didn't show up on twitter or in stats. Sad to hear it was an accurate representation

Hopefully it was just the big stage that he couldn't handle and will do better in the Bronze medal game.