2021 NBA Offseason

[dtgold88]

Ironically, the only thing that made Cleveland relevant was the lottery luck of having the number 1 pick in the same year that the best player of his generation entered the draft. It’s pretty funny to me that you’re bemoaning lottery luck when in the end that’s really the only thing that’s made Cleveland anything of note.

Not sure that last comment is more comical than someone liking it (or a few people).

This only proves my point. Has anyone said the Cavs did not get a lot of luck winning the Lebron, Kyrie and Wiggins lotteries? Those helped them win a title.

Now they have bad luck and maybe it hurts their development. I mean, previous regimes were lucky. Current one not (until this lottery).

This is not rocket science, McFly.

 

[dtgold88]

Lol, extraordinary success?!?

Yeah, all they had to do was draft one of the best players of all time, then get the #1 pick three times in the space of four years and then all it took was the suspension of a key player in the NBA Finals and they finally got a single championship out of it.

You give any other team a near prime Lebron James, and three #1 picks and they do a hell of a lot better than just one title.

Hell, the Lakers got a past his prime Lebron and used two #2's to get the exact same result.

"Extraordinary success" Fuck sake Wiggy

I mean, since you want to play the what if game, how about they only won 1 title because Kyrie and Love got hurt and Durant wussed out and chose to "join em"?

 

[dtgold88]

James is no longer in his prime. Still very good but not the James of 4-5 years agp.

"still very good"? Ya think. Guy easily could have won an MVP in the 2020-21 season and was pretty decent the other 2 years.

 

[The Q]

Not sure that last comment is more comical than someone liking it (or a few people).

This only proves my point. Has anyone said the Cavs did not get a lot of luck winning the Lebron, Kyrie and Wiggins lotteries? Those helped them win a title.

Now they have bad luck and maybe it hurts their development. I mean, previous regimes were lucky. Current one not (until this lottery).

This is not rocket science, McFly.

It’s relevant because it was Incorrectly argued that Philly had lottery luck.

they didn’t

so to have cavs fans whine about lottery luck is laughable

 

[dtgold88]

FYI, his comment proved our point. with lottery luck Cavs have a good chance...really bad luck and they are set back.

 

[dtgold88]

It’s relevant because it was Incorrectly argued that Philly had lottery luck.

they didn’t

so to have cavs fans whine about lottery luck is laughable

Yeah...kind of did. Just because have best chance of winning still need some luck to get it done. Even the top team has a 75% chance not to win.

What's laughable is you thinking any Cavs' fans whined and does not understand our good fortune in the lottery was why we won. OTOH, bad luck set us back some.

This isn't really debatable and proved our point. Thanks for finally understanding with the others.

 

[dtgold88]

It's not just numbers.

Watching him....he isn't nearly as explosive as he used to be. Its called the eye test.

haha....always dismiss numbers and go with eye test when the numbers work against you. Well played?

 

[dtgold88]

I guess I am bemoaning it in a way- but I am perfectly aware of the lottery luck Cleveland received pre-this rebuild---- even if the drafting at certain points was less than stellar.

the lottery luck and bad luck makes our point. Previous regimes (or regimes of other teams) are not smarter because the lottery falls their way.

 

[dtgold88]

He has a high basketball IQ and will post numbers because he is very smart and knows how to play despite aging

AND he's really good....especially in 1st two seasons in LA.

 

[dtgold88]

We can make fun of the Cavs but their fan base can celebrate something no other team in league history has done. Complete the single greatest Finals comeback in history.

that "extraordinary success"

Da fuck? Now I'm no math major but isn't going to 5 straight Finals winning 3 better than going to 4 straight Finals winning 1?

The Cavs had a nice 4 year run fueled by the best all around player I've ever seen. But I wouldn't call it extraordinary success.

I guess if extraordinary success means runs like SA, LA or Boston that's true.

 

[dtgold88]

4 straight Finals...if not for the superteam W's and injuries in 1st appearance....who knows. 4 Straight Finals is very difficult to do. Miami did it. LA already failed on that one. They didn't even make the Finals in year one with Lebron.

I guess if a team must do what SA, LA or Botson (in past) to be extraordinary we didn't reach that level. But was absurd to try to take away some of their success because of how we got a player or injuries.

 

[dtgold88]

well, not to be TOO much of a dick about it, but if only we could live on the world of coulda, woulda, shoulda...

bottom line was one O'Brien, and a lucky set of circumstances to get that...

I agree....but first was someone trying to take away our accomplishments based on coulda, shoulda, woulda

 

[trojanfan12]

I guess if extraordinary success means runs like SA, LA or Boston that's true.

Based on the actual meaning of the word, the Cavs success would be extraordinary, the Spurs, Lakers and Celtics, would not. Especially the Lakers and the Celtics.

 

[Wamu]

I guess if extraordinary success means runs like SA, LA or Boston that's true.

What the Cavs did was incredible for their fans. And anyone that wants to trash their 1-3 Finals record really doesn't understand how great those Warriors teams were.

Take any NBAer and put them on the Cavs in place of LeBron from '15 to '18 and they don't go to those four straight Finals. Yes LeBron's that great.

 

[dtgold88]

Reaching the Finals but not winning it isn't considered success. How many parades are held for coming in second place?

Additionally, the East was extraordinarily weak during that time. You place that same Cavs team in todays East and they don't even come close to four straight Finals appearances.

Cool....can I place the Daugherty-led Cavs into an MJ-less East and claim a couple titles?

 

[dtgold88]

Based on the actual meaning of the word, the Cavs success would be extraordinary, the Spurs, Lakers and Celtics, would not. Especially the Lakers and the Celtics.

Thinking that was meant to be the other way around? If it was, I agree.

 

[dtgold88]

What the Cavs did was incredible for their fans. And anyone that wants to trash their 1-3 Finals record really doesn't understand how great those Warriors teams were.

Take any NBAer and put them on the Cavs in place of LeBron from '15 to '18 and they don't go to those four straight Finals. Yes LeBron's that great.

It's one more Finals than I ever thought I'd see.

Now can we finally get the one most fans here really want to see (no, not another indoor soccer title)?

 

[dtgold88]

Maybe, and maybe this was the tipping point where everyone said screw it he’s never going to get it. This ain’t intramurals right?

right.....but what purpose did it serve to make his team better?

 

[dtgold88]

I'm not denying the Cavs were a top franchise at the time, i'm denying the fact that despite the amount of luck they got given in the draft and the fact that they had one of the best players to ever play the game, that the Cavs had what Wiggy called "extraordinary success"

what I was talking about @ChiefsLakers67 . If one wants to bring up luck to take away what actually happened, what about the bad luck that might have stopped them from winning more?

I'm of the belief what happened is what happened and, sure, fair not to call it extraordinary.

 

[The Q]

Yeah...kind of did. Just because have best chance of winning still need some luck to get it done. Even the top team has a 75% chance not to win.

What's laughable is you thinking any Cavs' fans whined and does not understand our good fortune in the lottery was why we won. OTOH, bad luck set us back some.

This isn't really debatable and proved our point. Thanks for finally understanding with the others.

the won the lottery once despite being awful like 5 years straight

they probably were below odds performance wise

I never said the cavs didn’t have bad luck. I just said they lack the will to see the process through like the sixers did.