2021-2022 NBA Season

[Heatles84]

Well for me, Kobe was the best closer of all time, and for most of Lebron s career they used to have a joke that if ask for change for a dollar that you will get back three quarters only because Lebron is not the greatest closer by any means

On the other hand, Kobe was a selfish player with poor distribution skills and took too damned many shots. My personal observation was that when took too many shots , the Lakers usually lost. That threshold was usually around 22 to 27 shots. Lebron, however has better distribution skills, makes others better.

Kobe on the hand was a slightly better on defense

Those numbers have easily been debunked. The main person driving that narrative awhile back was Skip Bayless. The national media followed his lead given his influence on sports debates. When you started diving in, you saw Lebron's PER in the clutch was actually pretty good, and beat out Kobe's. Fast forward to present day, and it's fair to say that Lebron's been more "clutch" over his career than Kobe.

If you find that you're in a debate, and I'm having to defend Lebron, you're losing. I've been one of the most critical posters of Lebron, especially in the last couple of years.

 

[Heatles84]

If Lebron will just STFU and let the front office manage the situation, the Lakers might be able to fix it. They have 8 players on one year contracts... That is their biggest problem . One year rentals are seldom effective. Kobe, however was the best shooter and closer between the two

And that's fine. If you want to say Lebron is a shitty GM, you won't get any argument from me. But we're talking about Lebron the player, not the GM.

 

[Wamu]

Well for me, Kobe was the best closer of all time, and for most of Lebron s career they used to have a joke that if ask for change for a dollar that you will get back three quarters only because Lebron is not the greatest closer by any means

On the other hand, Kobe was a selfish player with poor distribution skills and took too damned many shots. My personal observation was that when took too many shots , the Lakers usually lost. That threshold was usually around 22 to 27 shots. Lebron, however has better distribution skills, makes others better.

Kobe on the hand was a slightly better on defense

The best closer of all time? I suggest you look up Kobe's numbers for game winners. I think it's about 6-22. LeBron's actually hit a better percentage of game winners over his career.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

And that's fine. If you want to say Lebron is a shitty GM, you won't get any argument for me. But we're talking about Lebron the player, not the GM.

I never said Kobe was a better player than Lebron.. That was what wamu spit out of ass. Personally I like Lebrons game better, but Kobe was a better shooter and closer than Lebron

 

[Wamu]

If Lebron will just STFU and let the front office manage the situation, the Lakers might be able to fix it. They have 8 players on one year contracts... That is their biggest problem . One year rentals are seldom effective. Kobe, however was the best shooter and closer between the two

You gotta stop pretending that the Lakers roster issues are all on LeBron. Yes he does deserve some of the blame. But so does Lakers management.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The best closer of all time? I suggest you look up Kobe's numbers for game winners. I think it's about 6-22. LeBron's actually hit a better percentage of game winners over his career.

Kobe was asked to take too many shots at the last minute. .For the last decade of his career, Kobe was the preferred closer by nearly all coaches... Your hatred of The Lakers had exposed your panties ..lol

 

[Wamu]

I never said Kobe was a better player than Lebron.. That was what wamu spit out of ass. Personally I like Lebrons game better, but Kobe was a better shooter and closer than Lebron

Excuse me? You keep trying to overly pimp-up Kobe. I'm going by what the career numbers say you dumbass homer.

And how can you say Kobe was the better shooter when LeBron's FG & 3-pt. percentage is better?

Homer on man!

 

[True Lakers Fan]

You gotta stop pretending that the Lakers roster issues are all on LeBron. Yes he does deserve some of the blame. But so does Lakers management.

They are.. LeBron forced them to trade good assets for Westbrook and it blew up in his face

 

[Wamu]

Kobe was asked to take too many shots at the last minute. .For the last decade of his career, Kobe was the preferred closer by nearly all coaches... Your hatred of The Lakers had exposed your panties ..lol

And here it is. I'm being objective and you've super glued your Lakers homer helmet to your head again.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Excuse me? You keep trying to overly pimp-up Kobe. I'm going by what the career numbers say you dumbass homer.

And how can you say Kobe was the better shooter when LeBron's FG & 3-pt. percentage is better?

Homer on man!

Speaking of dumb ass homers , how is your day going?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Well for me, Kobe was the best closer of all time, and for most of Lebron s career they used to have a joke that if ask for change for a dollar that you will get back three quarters only because Lebron is not the greatest closer by any means

On the other hand, Kobe was a selfish player with poor distribution skills and took too damned many shots. My personal observation was that when took too many shots , the Lakers usually lost. That threshold was usually around 22 to 27 shots. Lebron, however has better distribution skills, makes others better.

Kobe on the hand was a slightly better on defense

The eye sometimes pulls tricks on you bc if you look at the numbers Lebron is actually the most clutch player in the postseeason when comparing Mj, Kobe and Lebron. Sure there are different circumstances where MJ is top dog but Kobe is always number 3 when talking about clutch in almost every circumstance, it isn't close. If we are talking about elimination games Lebron was also one of the best.

I can tell you Kobe's numbers aren't close to MJ and Lebron as far as "clutch", postseason. Haven't looked at regular season numbers but why bother if you are talking about rings...rings has little to do with it considering if you look at who Lebron had in his 1st appearance and his 4th appearance on his 2nd stint in CLE. He willed those teams.

Jordan vs. LeBron Clutch Shots Postseason​

	Field Goals	Field Goal %	Buzzer Beaters
Jordan	5-11	45.5%	3
LeBron	7-15	46.7%	5

 

[True Lakers Fan]

And here it is. I'm being objective and you've super glued your Lakers homer helmet to your head again.

You don't have an objective bone in your body..lmao

 

[Heatles84]

I never said Kobe was a better player than Lebron.. That was what wamu spit out of ass. Personally I like Lebrons game better, but Kobe was a better shooter and closer than Lebron

Correct me if I'm wrong, this started when you said Lebron wasn't in your top 5, and that if you had to round out your list it'd be Duncan or Kobe?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but that to me indicates you think Kobe's better.

 

[Wamu]

Speaking of dumb ass homers , how is your day going?

Read comment # 16691.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The eye sometimes pulls tricks on you bc if you look at the numbers Lebron is actually the most clutch player in the postseeason when comparing Mj, Kobe and Lebron. Sure there are different circumstances where MJ is top dog but Kobe is always number 3 when talking about clutch in almost every circumstance, it isn't close. If we are talking about elimination games Lebron was also one of the best.

I can tell you Kobe's numbers aren't close to MJ and Lebron as far as "clutch", postseason. Haven't looked at regular season numbers but why bother if you are talking about rings...rings has little to do with it considering if you look at who Lebron had in his 1st appearance and his 4th appearance on his 2nd stint in CLE. He willed those teams.

Jordan vs. LeBron Clutch Shots Postseason​

	Field Goals	Field Goal %	Buzzer Beaters
Jordan	5-11	45.5%	3
LeBron	7-15	46.7%	5

Numbers sometimes dont tell everything and as a long time fan of the game, you already know that, so cut the crap

 

[Wamu]

You don't have an objective bone in your body..lmao

It's funny how triggered you're getting. Might need some popcorn for you possible meltdown.

 

[Wamu]

The eye sometimes pulls tricks on you bc if you look at the numbers Lebron is actually the most clutch player in the postseeason when comparing Mj, Kobe and Lebron. Sure there are different circumstances where MJ is top dog but Kobe is always number 3 when talking about clutch in almost every circumstance, it isn't close. If we are talking about elimination games Lebron was also one of the best.

I can tell you Kobe's numbers aren't close to MJ and Lebron as far as "clutch", postseason. Haven't looked at regular season numbers but why bother if you are talking about rings...rings has little to do with it considering if you look at who Lebron had in his 1st appearance and his 4th appearance on his 2nd stint in CLE. He willed those teams.

Jordan vs. LeBron Clutch Shots Postseason​

	Field Goals	Field Goal %	Buzzer Beaters
Jordan	5-11	45.5%	3
LeBron	7-15	46.7%	5

He'll completely ignore what you posted. He wants nothing to do with what the numbers really say.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, this started when you said Lebron wasn't in your top 5, and that if you had to round out your list it'd be Duncan or Kobe?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but that to me indicates you think Lebron's better.

Neither Lebron nor Kobe is in my top five... That's true, but that is no disrespect to LeBron

 

[Shanemansj13]

I never said Kobe was a better player than Lebron.. That was what wamu spit out of ass. Personally I like Lebrons game better, but Kobe was a better shooter and closer than Lebron

So you put Kobe in your top 5 and not Lebron but you never said Kobe was a better player?

 

[704Tarheels]

The eye sometimes pulls tricks on you bc if you look at the numbers Lebron is actually the most clutch player in the postseeason when comparing Mj, Kobe and Lebron. Sure there are different circumstances where MJ is top dog but Kobe is always number 3 when talking about clutch in almost every circumstance, it isn't close. If we are talking about elimination games Lebron was also one of the best.

I can tell you Kobe's numbers aren't close to MJ and Lebron as far as "clutch", postseason. Haven't looked at regular season numbers but why bother if you are talking about rings...rings has little to do with it considering if you look at who Lebron had in his 1st appearance and his 4th appearance on his 2nd stint in CLE. He willed those teams.

Jordan vs. LeBron Clutch Shots Postseason​

	Field Goals	Field Goal %	Buzzer Beaters
Jordan	5-11	45.5%	3
LeBron	7-15	46.7%	5

That's fine. You don't necessarily close out teams in the last 10 secs of a game though.

Here's my take and I watched em both throughout their careers...MJ is the GOAT, LeBron is the best overall basketball player I've ever seen. Make sense? I'm not sure it does to me either but that's what i'm sticking with.