2021-2022 NBA Season

[Shanemansj13]

I’m just hoping they don’t give up too much

 

[dtgold88]

Stop it.

It was a bad call.

The sequence of missed call on Hayward/weak shooting foul on Love evened things out and got your Cavs a win.

No amount of training in the world is going to make basketball officials get every call right.

While I usually agree with you on the ripping of refs I think you are the one who needs to stop it on this one. A missed call on Heyward and what looked like the right call on Love hardly compares with what amounted to 3 free throws on a shot that didn't even count.

 

[dtgold88]

That was indefensible.

Everything happened like 5-10 seconds after the whistle

There’s just no justifying even the thought of the conclusion ever existing in their heads, much less sharing it or making that the final ruling

exactly...comparing it to the usual bad call (missed or made) is kooky talk. This was a call I doubt any of us have ever seen.

 

[dtgold88]

Of course it was a bad call. Never said it wasn’t.

But you tried to compare a bad call that it's likely a call you've never seen in the NBA to the typical missed or made bad calls that happen in every game. Never mind, at worse, was debatable Love was not in a shooting motion.

 

[dtgold88]

Did the Cavs win the game?

Yes or no?

The calls at the end weren’t good either and they favored the Cavs.

Evened things out.

Pretty simple to understand.

Yes, the Cavs won the game.

No, nothing compared at any point in the game (maybe in any game ever) to that call.

 

[dtgold88]

It was a terrible call.

My guess is that they thought the contact occurred before the whistle.

It clearly didn’t, but it is the only explanation for the call.

I would love a live feed on some of you all doing your jobs. Every time you make a mistake we could all jump in an rail about how incompetent you are.

again, I usually agree with you when sticking up for refs but it's OK to say this time there was just no excuse and they completely botched this one. The ref who made the original ruling and blew his whistle knows when he blew his own whistle, right? He would know if another whistle occurred well after his whistle, wouldn't he (never mind he could see it all)?

Just glad the Cavs still pulled it out.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think this weekend could get crazy, hopefully, bc with no football now all we have is basketball (and hockey for you losers).

 

[dtgold88]

Holt shit man really? Just priceless. Thanks for the laugh.

Right? I mean, I can agree often he's right that refs take unwarranted abuse and are better at their jobs than given credit.....but when they mess up beyond the normal mess up it's OK to say so.

 

[tlance]

While I usually agree with you on the ripping of refs I think you are the one who needs to stop it on this one. A missed call on Heyward and what looked like the right call on Love hardly compares with what amounted to 3 free throws on a shot that didn't even count.

I am not talking about the severity of the error in the call, but the actual impact.

Hornets should have had the ball baseline OB. They were gifted 4 points, but also lost a possession where they might have scored anyway. So it is more like a 2.5 - 3 point gift.

The missed call on Hayward should have resulted in Hornets ball out, and eventually a Cleveland foul and FTs once the ball is inbounded. That miss probably cost Charlotte 1-2 points.

The Love call was pretty soft and probably should have been a no-call or a side out. Also cost the Hornets 2 points.

So the correct team won in the end, and the much less egregious bad calls against Charlotte roughly equaled the points they gained on the terrible call against Cleveland.

 

[dtgold88]

It is the truth.

It is like you guys never watch basketball at other levels.

Officiating basketball is impossibly hard. They make mistakes and miss calls all the time.

Unless you want games to take 4 hours and go camera review on every call, there is no solution to this.

So just accept that bad calls happen.

OK....but getting that call right was not impossibly hard.

 

[dtgold88]

Sure.

And mistakes like that one are rare also.

Not all jobs are equal. Some are easier than others to get it right.

NBA officiating isn’t one of those.

Yes, that one is very rare. That's the point. No reason to make excuses for them and remind us how hard their job is as getting that one right was not hard.

 

[msgkings322]

Him and Ben simmons should go to the same team and talk about their feelings all the time.

Can you imagine all the tampons needed in Brooklyn if Simmons goes there to play with Durant and Kyrie?

 

[dtgold88]

I am sure they did.

It is a processing thing.

You see something unexpected happen, then sometimes the mind plays tricks when you play it back and try to recall it.

It was an awful call.

But why the hell is Ed Davis touching a player on the court to begin with? He needs to stay on the bench and only concern himself with his team.

OK...and Davis maybe even deserves a tech for it which would be 1 shot. Nice deflection, though.

Would you also make excuses for a ref he he called goal tending on one of those practice shots which happens in nearly every game?

 

[tlance]

Yes, that one is very rare. That's the point. No reason to make excuses for them and remind us how hard their job is as getting that one right was not hard.

I will say it again.

I am not excusing that 1 call.

I am pushing back on the idea these dudes keep spewing that NBA refs are bad at their jobs.

They aren’t.

A once a decade level mistake doesn’t prove what they want it to prove.

 

[Pastafazul]

Pick up games have no refs, we know when we foul . Honor system!

Get rid of the refs

 

[tlance]

OK...and Davis maybe even deserves a tech for it which would be 1 shot. Nice deflection, though.

Would you also make excuses for a ref he he called goal tending on one of those practice shots which happens in nearly every game?

I said it was a terrible call.

Explaining how it could happen is not the same as making excuses for it.

 

[dtgold88]

I am not talking about the severity of the error in the call, but the actual impact.

Hornets should have had the ball baseline OB. They were gifted 4 points, but also lost a possession where they might have scored anyway. So it is more like a 2.5 - 3 point gift.

The missed call on Hayward should have resulted in Hornets ball out, and eventually a Cleveland foul and FTs once the ball is inbounded. That miss probably cost Charlotte 1-2 points.

The Love call was pretty soft and probably should have been a no-call or a side out. Also cost the Hornets 2 points.

So the correct team won in the end, and the much less egregious bad calls against Charlotte roughly equaled the points they gained on the terrible call against Cleveland.

The missed call on Heyward if a foul is the type they miss throughout every game (or just don't call). Love was grabbed by at least one player. Want to argue they often let those go end of game I wouldn't disagree, but it was a foul.
Neither compares to a botched call that was like no call any of us have ever seen.

If you can try to not be biased here, how is it possible the guy who blew the play dead/OOB could not have known this should not have happened like it did?

 

[Wamu]

I am not talking about the severity of the error in the call, but the actual impact.

Hornets should have had the ball baseline OB. They were gifted 4 points, but also lost a possession where they might have scored anyway. So it is more like a 2.5 - 3 point gift.

The missed call on Hayward should have resulted in Hornets ball out, and eventually a Cleveland foul and FTs once the ball is inbounded. That miss probably cost Charlotte 1-2 points.

The Love call was pretty soft and probably should have been a no-call or a side out. Also cost the Hornets 2 points.

So the correct team won in the end, and the much less egregious bad calls against Charlotte roughly equaled the points they gained on the terrible call against Cleveland.

No matter what it seems like you always defend the refs poor calls.

Hell a couple of weeks ago when I mentioned this topic you incorrectly accused me getting my opinions of the refs from watching highlights on social media.

And when I told you multiple times my opinions of the refs are from watching live action and not watching highlights on social media you told me, and this was a doozy, that I shouldn't take you so literally.

 

[msgkings322]

again, I usually agree with you when sticking up for refs but it's OK to say this time there was just no excuse and they completely botched this one. The ref who made the original ruling and blew his whistle knows when he blew his own whistle, right? He would know if another whistle occurred well after his whistle, wouldn't he (never mind he could see it all)?

Just glad the Cavs still pulled it out.

There ws no excuse and they completely botched it. And guess what? Botched calls will happen again, and again, in every game. Some missed calls will be really bad, like this one. You can cry about it every game or accept it as part of the game, like refs controlling football games.

 

[msgkings322]

No matter what it seems like you always defend the refs poor calls.

Hell a couple of weeks ago when I mentioned this topic you incorrectly accused me getting my opinions of the refs from watching highlights on social media.

And when I told you multiple times my opinions of the refs are from watching live action and not watching highlights on social media you told me, and this was a doozy, that I shouldn't take you so literally.

Your opinion that it's worse now than ever is from social media/more availability of games and highlights and slow motion and all the other tech that fools you into thinking it's worse now than ever.