2021-2022 NBA Season

[fightinfunbags]

When was Kobe ever the best player in the league?

He was top 3 for a lot of years. Not sure he was ever hands down number 1.

LeBron is really the only current player that has beef with MVPs. He should have won 8 or 9.

KD has one MVP as well. My grandkids are gonna grow up in a works where the Joker has 2 times as many MVPs as KD?

 

[fightinfunbags]

At least 1 of Nash's probably should have gone to Kobe. Especially '05-'06 when he averaged 35, 5 and 5 and dragged Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm to the playoffs.

But that was too close to the Colorado thing and him being blamed for Shaq leaving.

Interesting. Another white guy propped up with 2 MVPs. I’m sure there’s nothing to that.

 

[fightinfunbags]

KD has one MVP as well. My grandkids are gonna grow up in a works where the Joker has 2 times as many MVPs as KD?

* in a world

 

[tlance]

You’re embracing this idea that there are varying levels of dominance. Dominance is already an outrageous degree. What you are calling a difference of degree, I’m just noting is a difference. But let’s take your concept. Is the gap between Joker - Embiid offense greater than the gap between Embiid - Joker on defense?

No.

But it is approximately equal.

Or at least close enough that the debate is legit.

And you have no room to admit that.

Jokic is arguably having the best offensive season of all time right now.

 

[tlance]

KD has one MVP as well. My grandkids are gonna grow up in a works where the Joker has 2 times as many MVPs as KD?

KD would have won this year had he not gotten hurt.

But he did, and the Nets started sucking.

Availability matters.

 

[dtgold88]

You think Scottie Pippen makes either of the all time teams without Jordan? I don’t think so. It wasn’t just creating on the court where Jordan made guys better, he demanded and got all they had. No doubt he was a dick.

I mean, Pippen led team won 55 without MJ. MJ quit when he found out he'd have to play without Pippen.

 

[tlance]

I mean, Pippen led team won 55 without MJ. MJ quit when he found out he'd have to play without Pippen.

People on here always try to say Pippen was overrated.

In reality, it was the exact opposite.

 

[fightinfunbags]

No.

But it is approximately equal.

Or at least close enough that the debate is legit.

And you have no room to admit that.

Jokic is arguably having the best offensive season of all time right now.

We will have to agree to disagree. Unless of course you think Joel Embiid is just another guy on offense because that’s exactly who Joker is as a defender. Best offensive season all time? Oy. Wilt had a year where he averaged 50. Wilt’s best year he averaged 24, 23 boards and 8.5 assists for the 67 Sixers. Oscar Robertson had seasons where he averaged a triple double. Russ had a season like that as well.

 

[thunderc]

I mean, Pippen led team won 55 without MJ. MJ quit when he found out he'd have to play without Pippen.

It was all about the dynamic with Kraus, 100 percent

 

[fightinfunbags]

KD would have won this year had he not gotten hurt.

But he did, and the Nets started sucking.

Availability matters.

There’s always “reasons” after the fact and that’s how we end in these head scratching spots. That’s why Joker will soon have two times as many MVPs as Shaq.

 

[tlance]

We will have to agree to disagree. Unless of course you think Joel Embiid is just another guy on offense because that’s exactly who Joker is as a defender. Best offensive season all time? Oy. Wilt had a year where he averaged 50. Wilt’s best year he averaged 24, 23 boards and 8.5 assists for the 67 Sixers. Oscar Robertson had seasons where he averaged a triple double. Russ had a season like that as well.

Can’t use stats from the 60s where Wilt was competing against guys who couldn’t make a high D1 roster today.

And Russ? The ultimate stat padder? Really?

Jokic currently has the best PER of all time. That includes Wilt, Russ, MJ, LeBron. His ability to produce at elite efficiency is unmatched.

 

[dtgold88]

It was all about the dynamic with Kraus, 100 percent

which is nuts.....Kraus was an excellent GM. Far better than MJ was when he tried to do it.

 

[thunderc]

which is nuts.....Kraus was an excellent GM. Far better than MJ was when he tried to do it.

Kraus did a great job building the team but his ego got the best of him with Jackson and it cost the team.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Can’t use stats from the 60s where Wilt was competing against guys who couldn’t make a high D1 roster today.

And Russ? The ultimate stat padder? Really?

Jokic currently has the best PER of all time. That includes Wilt, Russ, MJ, LeBron. His ability to produce at elite efficiency is unmatched.

Yep. Playing basketball inside a computer matrix. You don’t need to say anymore:

 

[tlance]

Yep. Playing basketball inside a computer matrix. You don’t need to say anymore:

You asked for evidence of Jokic being more dominant offensively.

Then you just shit on it when it is provided.

You don’t need to say anymore. The evidence is there for everyone who wants to see it. You don’t.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You asked for evidence of Jokic being more dominant offensively.

Then you just shit on it when it is provided.

You don’t need to say anymore. The evidence is there for everyone who wants to see it. You don’t.

Exactly. 150-175 dimes off of a dribble hand-off is the stuff of legends and stats tell that story completely.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[Wamu]

Well Embiid went full bitch-mode. Get that fella some Kleenex so he can dry his tears.

"If [winning MVP] happens, great. If it doesn't, I don't know what I have to do. I feel like they hate me.I feel like the standard for guys in Philly or for me is different than anyone else."

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Well Embiid went full bitch-mode. Get that fella some Kleenex so he can dry his tears.

"If [winning MVP] happens, great. If it doesn't, I don't know what I have to do. I feel like they hate me.I feel like the standard for guys in Philly or for me is different than anyone else."




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Next year he will have to go back to playing 50 games I guess

 

[Wamu]

Next year he will have to go back to playing 50 games I guess

When I saw what he said I almost fell outta my chair laughing.

For him to cry to the media because he thinks he's judged differently is a bad look. And something I will always make fun of.