2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[bksballer89]

Ok.

Forget about the actual $ numbers involved for a minute.

If your employer asked you to take a fraction of your normal salary to work in more hazardous conditions, how would you react?

Depends. Did the players not get whatever they would have made for the first 2 months had Corona around? I heard something like that on a local radio station but could have heard wrong

 

[bksballer89]

 

[DJ Fieri]

come on, Lance.....these guys make a shit ton more than us normal folks....they still make millions for playing a game.....

 

[naslundfan19]

The only sport that seem to be in jeopardy is baseball. Basketball and Hockey looks very close to confirming a return date

I don’t think the NHL has a specific date in mind yet. The players did vote on a proposed playoff format (24 teams, top 2 in each conference play each other in a warmup while the other 20 play best of 5 series to narrow the field to 16 teams) for when they do return.

The 24 team idea is because 23 of the 24 teams in the field were within 6 points, or 3 wins, of a playoff spot with 10-12 games left. Montreal was 10 points out, but they were the closet team in the East to make the idea work.

 

[naslundfan19]

Beat me with that by seconds.

 

[tlance]

Depends. Did the players not get whatever they would have made for the first 2 months had Corona around? I heard something like that on a local radio station but could have heard wrong

No. Salaries were already going to be prorated. Then the owners want to take a big chunk out of what is left.

 

[msgkings322]

Ok.

Forget about the actual $ numbers involved for a minute.

If your employer asked you to take a fraction of your normal salary to work in more hazardous conditions, how would you react?

The $ matters though. These guys are making tons of money, and others who make 100 times less and are far more at risk are out there every day making sure we have food on the table and goods in the stores. These guys should take one for the team. And it's not at all hazardous. They are young healthy people they are not at any more risk of dying from Covid than from driving their cars.

Everyone is going to be tested and baseball players have very little contact with each other. There's no risk worth worrying about. These guys are soft, entitled jerks when real people are out there every day actually risking something for little pay.

 

[tlance]

come on, Lance.....these guys make a shit ton more than us normal folks....they still make millions for playing a game.....

Doesn’t matter.

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. You would be pissed too.

 

[tlance]

The $ matters though. These guys are making tons of money, and others who make 100 times less and are far more at risk are out there every day making sure we have food on the table and goods in the stores. These guys should take one for the team. And it's not at all hazardous. They are young healthy people they are not at any more risk of dying from Covid than from driving their cars.

Everyone is going to be tested and baseball players have very little contact with each other. There's no risk worth worrying about. These guys are soft, entitled jerks when real people are out there every day actually risking something for little pay.

Again,

Would you report to your job for a fraction of your prorated salary?

 

[msgkings322]

Doesn’t matter.

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. You would be pissed too.

I might be a bit pissed but I hope I'd have the perspective to say "ok you know what, I get paid so damn much to play a game and most folks are out there making sure I have my caviar and Cristal for way less"

Plus, again, not a single one of them will get seriously ill from Covid.

 

[msgkings322]

Again,

Would you report to your job for a fraction of your prorated salary?

If my job was #1 pitcher for the Rays, absolutely

You are changing the whole calculus by making it about regular folks earning regular pay. Also, if I was 28 I wouldn't even care.

If they said work half a year for half pay or don't work at all, I would work.

 

[trojanfan12]

Same

But both parties are being very tone deaf to gripe over compensation to this extent when we have a nation of people going to work in an even worse environment than the players will be in.

The players are being very short sighted. This is an awesome opportunity for them to gain fans. And thus increase their compensation long term.

And that's a boost baseball could use. It's gone from being "America's Pastime" to the 3rd most popular sport and the gap isn't getting smaller.

If they were the first sport back, that could be huge.

But it's looking like the geniuses may well end up doing the worst possible thing at the worst possible time.

 

[tlance]

I might be a bit pissed but I hope I'd have the perspective to say "ok you know what, I get paid so damn much to play a game and most folks are out there making sure I have my caviar and Cristal for way less"

Plus, again, not a single one of them will get seriously ill from Covid.

Maybe not.

But maybe they infect a family member who ends up dying.

And your assumptions that young people can’t get sick from this are flat out wrong.

 

[trojanfan12]

Again,

Would you report to your job for a fraction of your prorated salary?

If I was a professional athlete, in this environment..yes.

 

[tlance]

If my job was #1 pitcher for the Rays, absolutely

You are changing the whole calculus by making it about regular folks earning regular pay. Also, if I was 28 I wouldn't even care.

If they said work half a year for half pay or don't work at all, I would work.

I am not changing the calculus.

Owners are expecting the players to bail them out. This isn’t what the two sides agreed upon when this whole thing first started and the players absolutely should be upset.

Most people can’t get past the $ figure, but the reality is anyone would be justifiably angry if or in the same position.

 

[tlance]

If I was a professional athlete, in this environment..yes.

But this is the crux of every labor dispute.

Why should the players give up salary so the owners can turn a profit? Why can’t the owners just accept losses for the year?

They will argue about their millions of dollars and both sides will end up looking bad. And the general public will always take the side of the owners which is wrong in my opinion.

 

[trojanfan12]

But this is the crux of every labor dispute.

Why should the players give up salary so the owners can turn a profit? Why can’t the owners just accept losses for the year?

They will argue about their millions of dollars and both sides will end up looking bad. And the general public will always take the side of the owners which is wrong in my opinion.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm on the players side.

But @msgkings322 is right. You're trying to compare a regular person with a regular job to someone who makes millions for playing a game 6 months out of the year.

That's never going to work.

The problem for the players and the reason the fans will side with the owners is because the players don't know how to keep their mouths shut. While you hear very little, if anything, out of the owners.

So, the players come off as whiny and entitled because they're millionaires crying about not having enough money.

Meanwhile, it's the billionaires that are the actual problem.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Doesn’t matter.

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. You would be pissed too.

No....I would be grateful.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Most of the MLB players can't sit out the season.....the more they make.....the more they spend. Very few are smart enough to be frugal with their cash. They live beyond their means.

 

[tlance]

No....I would be grateful.

That is easy to say from the outside looking in.

If you were contracted to make $10 million and you only got paid $2 million, I doubt you would be grateful. Especially if you thought the owners were taking money from you so they could line their own pockets.