2019-2020 Official Regular Season Thread

[trojanfan12]

Yes, numbers are trending in the right direction, meaning fewer new cases. But that is still new cases.

And yes, more testing does equal more cases, but these are new cases of virus still. Evidence that the stay at home is working to slow the spread. When you don't stay at home, you won't slow the spread.

Great, a restaurant at the lake is 25% capacity, but you go with your lake neighbors and their son is asymptomatic you've just exposed your family and anyone else you do anything with at the lake, and you're bringing it back home with you.

There isn't going to be any perfect way to get things back on track. There may or may not be a 2nd wave and it may or may not be worse.

We don't know. So, you open things based on what the numbers are saying and folks who feel it's too early can stay home until they're comfortable going out.

Just like with anything else, there will be people who resist one way or the other. But most will follow along with whatever the guidelines are at the time.

 

[trojanfan12]

Doesn’t ‘ the more testing’ equate to less than 5% of our total population being tested so far?
In addition, reported death counts are higher then reported if you consider that death certificates can be 1-8 weeks behind, plus all the other nonsense going on like Florida only counting deaths from Florida residents vs counting actual number of people who have died here.

It may also be lower since there are reports that deaths are being attributed to it that aren't actual Covid deaths.

 

[trojanfan12]

Your thinking is that after social distancing for a month that 0 people will have the virus?

Yeah, because that's what I said.

 

[trojanfan12]

Wait, what? Not comparing, but saying it is the same thing? That is a direct comparison, and it is wrong.

No, it's not the same thing. You can try to claim it is, but you'll be wrong. Things don't have to be an exact match to be comparable.

 

[trojanfan12]

How many states actually followed the suggested guidelines for the 3 stages of re-opening?
None that I saw, or did I miss something?

Each state seems to be handling things according to what they feel is right for what's going on there, which they should. I don't know of any that have just fully re-opened.

California hasn't started yet, but the plan that I heard we're supposedly going to follow actually has 4 stages with fully opening for sporting events and concerts being the last stage.

I think this Friday they are opening beaches, but only for walking, jogging, bicycle riding, etc. No sunbathing or picnics.

 

[trojanfan12]

Yes.

I'm okay with loosening restrictions in some areas.

But, I won't be rolling the dice going out to eat or to the movies, gym anytime soon.

Outside of the grocery store, I'm staying put for the next few weeks.

Yeah, I was talking to a friend today and they asked me what I'm going to do.

I said that if we're talking just me and my son...I'd probably be out without a mask and pushing the limits on what we can do.

But, I have a wife who has health issues, a mother-in-law in her 80's and a grandson with asthma. So, I'll be hanging back a bit and probably wearing a mask for a while even after they aren't mandatory (which will piss me off lol).

 

[logic]

No, it's not the same thing. You can try to claim it is, but you'll be wrong. Things don't have to be an exact match to be comaparable.

That is not what I said at all.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Each state seems to be handling things according to what they feel is right for what's going on there, which they should. I don't know of any that have just fully re-opened.

California hasn't started yet, but the plan that I heard we're supposedly going to follow actually has 4 stages with fully opening for sporting events and concerts being the last stage.

I think this Friday they are opening beaches, but only for walking, jogging, bicycle riding, etc. No sunbathing or picnics.

So you agree then.
What they ‘feel is right’, has nothing to do with what was recommended for phase 1.
Nobody said any state was fully reopened.

 

[logic]

There isn't going to be any perfect way to get things back on track. There may or may not be a 2nd wave and it may or may not be worse.

We don't know. So, you open things based on what the numbers are saying and folks who feel it's too early can stay home until they're comfortable going out.

Just like with anything else, there will be people who resist one way or the other. But most will follow along with whatever the guidelines are at the time.

This is true and I agree for the most part. I was only stating my beliefs for my state of Michigan. We have a lot of yahoos, more every day as they get restless, who think that they don't need to follow the recommendations. These will be the first people to start doing everything they can and then push against whatever restrictions there are at that stage. I am almost certain with the attitudes here in Michigan we will have a significant second wave as I have previously stated because while maybe most will do the right thing, it doesn't take many doing the wrong thing to screw it up---and we have more than our share here.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

It may also be lower since there are reports that deaths are being attributed to it that aren't actual Covid deaths.

Isn’t it true that you aren’t counted as dying from the Covid if you weren’t tested for it?

 

[trojanfan12]

That is not what I said at all.

Actually, you did. You said that what I had said was the same thing as claiming it was just like the flu, which wasn't what I said.

 

[trojanfan12]

So you agree then.
What they ‘feel is right’, has nothing to do with what was recommended for phase 1.
Nobody said any state was fully reopened.

This isn't being experienced the same way everywhere.

In areas that haven't been hit hard. You can open things up faster than in areas that have been.

The city I live in has had 1 confirmed case and 0 deaths.

Why would we need to follow the same stages, at the same speed, as San Francisco which has been hit harder?

 

[trojanfan12]

This is true and I agree for the most part. I was only stating my beliefs for my state of Michigan. We have a lot of yahoos, more every day as they get restless, who think that they don't need to follow the recommendations. These will be the first people to start doing everything they can and then push against whatever restrictions there are at that stage.

Well, just like there are delusional fans in every fanbase, there are delusional people in every state. Just have to hope that they don't cause too much damage.

I don't live in Michigan, so I can't really speak to folks there. But my guess is that most folks will follow along. But, like I said, I don't live there.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This isn't being experienced the same way everywhere.

In areas that haven't been hit hard. You can open things up faster than in areas that have been.

The city I live in has had 1 confirmed case and 0 deaths.

Why would we need to follow the same stages, at the same speed, as San Francisco which has been hit harder?

I agree with that.

Doesnt change the fact that the guidelines weren’t written like that or amended.


That being said, many heavily populated areas didn’t follow the protocol to qualify for stage 1 and the people who set those guidelines have been for the most part silenced for near 2 weeks now.

 

[trojanfan12]

Isn’t it true that you aren’t counted as dying from the Covid if you weren’t tested for it?

Not necessarily and that's the problem with all of the reporting on this thing.

There have been reports that folks who die of anything respiratory are being reported as Covid because hospitals get extra money for those cases.

Imo, that's the biggest problem in all of this. For every report that deaths are under reported, there's one that says they are being over reported.

For every doctor who's saying we need to be wearing masks and staying in, there's another doctor saying that the masks don't really help.

I'm not even sure the same standards are even being used county to county, let alone nationwide.

 

[tlance]

Yeah, because that's what I said.

LOL.

That is hilarious that you think that is even possible.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree with that.

Doesnt change the fact that the guidelines weren’t written like that or amended.


That being said, many heavily populated areas didn’t follow the protocol to qualify for stage 1 and the people who set those guidelines have been for the most part silenced for near 2 weeks now.

You understand that guidelines are just that...guidelines. They aren't set in stone and by definition can be adjusted as necessary.

If we were talking about rules that had to be done step by step and folks were doing things differently, I'd agree.

Maybe the guideline says to open restaurants and theaters at 25% capacity, but the numbers in an area say 50% should be good...why shouldn't that area be able to make that adjustment?

I'd even expect that there will be areas that may skip a guideline or 2 along the way, which would be fine if the numbers support it.

 

[trojanfan12]

LOL.

That is hilarious that you think that is even possible.

It's more hilarious that you think I said that.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Not necessarily and that's the problem with all of the reporting on this thing.

There have been reports that folks who die of anything respiratory are being reported as Covid because hospitals get extra money for those cases.

Imo, that's the biggest problem in all of this. For every report that deaths are under reported, there's one that says they are being over reported.

For every doctor who's saying we need to be wearing masks and staying in, there's another doctor saying that the masks don't really help.

I'm not even sure the same standards are even being used county to county, let alone nationwide.

Corruption is everywhere, so if there is money to be stolen it will be.
No way it can be totally accurate.

I believe the number being accepted by the White House is the number John Hopkins puts out, which just passed 80,000.

Ive never heard them question it.
Has anyone else?

 

[tlance]

It's more hilarious that you think I said that.

I Don’t think that is what you said.

But your logic is way off.

The purpose of Social distancing Is to keep people from getting exposed to the virus all at once. The vast majority of Americans have not been exposed to it yet because we have been social distancing.

Take that away and guess what happens?

People get exposed and people get sick.