2017 Spring Training Thread

[MarcoPolo]

Well, there's still 15 days or so ...

 

[msgkings322]

This is fairly dead on correct:

The NL West Is All About The Dodgers And Giants

 

[calsnowskier]

This is fairly dead on correct:

The NL West Is All About The Dodgers And Giants

Meh.

It was a blue circle jerk. The only mentions they gave the Giants was about the sinking building. No mention of the big 4; no mention of Arroyo; no mention of Beede or Blach; no mention of McParker...

Not that I necessarily disagree with their conclusions (I don't predict a 10 game gap, but...), but it was just a smurf key party and nothing more.

 

[LHG]

There were some cuts that I missed on March 14th

Here's the updated spring roster.

Pitchers (23)
Tyler Beede (nri)
Ty Blach
Madison Bumgarner
Matt Cain
Johnny Cueto
Jose Dominguez (nri)
Cory Gearrin
Roberto Gomez (nri)
David Hernandez (nri)
George Kontos
Derek Law
Mark Melancon
Matt Moore
Bryan Morris (nri)
Steven Okert
Josh Osich
Neil Ramirez (nri)
Michael Roth (nri)
Jeff Samardzija
Kraig Sitton (nri)
Will Smith
Hunter Strickland
Albert Suarez

Catchers (5)
Trevor Brown
Tim Federowicz (nri)
Nick Hundley
Josmil Pinto (nri)
Buster Posey

Infielders (13)
Christian Arroyo (nri)
Gordon Beckham (nri)
Brandon Belt
Orlando Calixte
Brandon Crawford
Conor Gillaspie
Aaron Hill (nri)
Jae-gyun Hwang (nri)
Chris Marrero (nri)
Eduardo Nunez
Joe Panik
Jimmy Rollins (nri)
Kelby Tomlinson

Outfielders (7)
Gorkys Hernandez
Michael Morse (nri)
Jarrett Parker
Hunter Pence
Justin Ruggiano (nri)
Denard Span
Mac Williamson

That puts the amount of players in camp at 48. sfgiants.com has 47. Not sure who they are not counting.

 

[Stokes1931]

Cainer pitched 4.2 innings, and gave up 9 hits, no walks, struck out five, and gave up 3 ER.

?

 

[calsnowskier]

Cainer pitched 4.2 innings, and gave up 9 hits, no walks, struck out five, and gave up 3 ER.

?

WHIP for the game was south of 2.000...

 

[LHG]

Cainer pitched 4.2 innings, and gave up 9 hits, no walks, struck out five, and gave up 3 ER.

?

I really doubt Cain is not the 5th starter when the season begins. There's no real competition. This was Cain's 3rd start of the spring. Beede, Blach and Suarez have made 3 starts combined this spring, thus far. However, I don't know who is starting tomorrow or Sunday, the Giants' website has TBD listed for both. With 14 games left in spring, I guess its possible the Giants start giving the ball to two or three of these guys to see what they have but the progress thus far signals that what Evans intimated is correct, there is not really a fight for this spot. It is Cain's.

 

[SFGRTB]

I really doubt Cain is not the 5th starter when the season begins. There's no real competition. This was Cain's 3rd start of the spring. Beede, Blach and Suarez have made 3 starts combined this spring, thus far. However, I don't know who is starting tomorrow or Sunday, the Giants' website has TBD listed for both. With 14 games left in spring, I guess its possible the Giants start giving the ball to two or three of these guys to see what they have but the progress thus far signals that what Evans intimated is correct, there is not really a fight for this spot. It is Cain's.

Blach?

Ty has piggy backed Cain in 3 of those outings and really out-pitched the same Dodger lineup that Cain somewhat labored through (one Blach actually allowed Cain's inherited runners to score).

Neither have been all that impressive tbh. I do agree that it's probably still Cainer, but ultimately I think he and Blach are just keeping that seat warm for Beede.

 

[msgkings322]

Meh.

It was a blue circle jerk. The only mentions they gave the Giants was about the sinking building. No mention of the big 4; no mention of Arroyo; no mention of Beede or Blach; no mention of McParker...

Not that I necessarily disagree with their conclusions (I don't predict a 10 game gap, but...), but it was just a smurf key party and nothing more.

Sure it was all Dodgers. But there were a few win projections and it is hard to see how the Dodgers don't win the division again.

 

[Stokes1931]

Just don't see a spot for Ruggs. He's hitting .125 and has K'ed 11 times in 24 ABs.

Good start by the top of the lineup today: single, double, single, two early runs.

 

[SFGRTB]

Parker with another homer. He also has 7 walks which leads the team, and 12 RBI which also lead the team.

Hank mentioned that he laid off a good 2-2 pitch and hit the homer on the 3-2 pitch.

 

[SFGRTB]

Just don't see a spot for Ruggs. He's hitting .125 and has K'ed 11 times in 24 ABs.

Good start by the top of the lineup today: single, double, single, two early runs.

Yeah he's just not getting it done.

 

[LHG]

Blach?

Ty has piggy backed Cain in 3 of those outings and really out-pitched the same Dodger lineup that Cain somewhat labored through (one Blach actually allowed Cain's inherited runners to score).

Neither have been all that impressive tbh. I do agree that it's probably still Cainer, but ultimately I think he and Blach are just keeping that seat warm for Beede.

To me, that seems more like they are looking at him as a possible long reliever. Send him to AAA and call him up in case the bullpen gets worn down or need an emergency starter. Considering this article on the team website, its not hard to see that Cain has the 5th spot and Blach is a moving part - Matt Cain stays in Giants' rotation equation

 

[Stokes1931]

Good pitching by Moore today. 5 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 W, 4 K. As long as he is around the plate, he'll be very good.

 

[LHG]

Now I know that Bochy loves him some veterans but it seems hard to understand his desire for Morse to make the roster as a 5th outfielder (or 4th, platooning with Parker). "If the bat plays, you find a place for him" Bochy is quoted as saying. Sure, that makes sense in a vacuum, but considering Williamson's bat looks good too (Bochy must be coming up with some contrary statement about him "He needs some work" or something like that) and he has much more experience in the outfield the past three years while Morse quipped about playing left field "It was fun. It was like riding a bike . . . with two flat tires". I'd rather see Williamson break with the team than Morse.

 

[Stokes1931]

Parker with another homer. He also has 7 walks which leads the team, and 12 RBI which also lead the team.

Hank mentioned that he laid off a good 2-2 pitch and hit the homer on the 3-2 pitch.

And he's hitting .343

 

[Stokes1931]

Now I know that Bochy loves him some veterans but it seems hard to understand his desire for Morse to make the roster as a 5th outfielder (or 4th, platooning with Parker). "If the bat plays, you find a place for him" Bochy is quoted as saying. Sure, that makes sense in a vacuum, but considering Williamson's bat looks good too (Bochy must be coming up with some contrary statement about him "He needs some work" or something like that) and he has much more experience in the outfield the past three years while Morse quipped about playing left field "It was fun. It was like riding a bike . . . with two flat tires". I'd rather see Williamson break with the team than Morse.

I'd love to see Morse if there were no other options. But there are. I still think MacParker will be the starting LF. Play teh kids! Neither of them have anything to prove at AAA. If they are faltering by the ASB, perhaps a Morse would make sense. But I think he makes the club or retires.

 

[LHG]

I'd love to see Morse if there were no other options. But there are. I still think MacParker will be the starting LF. Play teh kids! Neither of them have anything to prove at AAA. If they are faltering by the ASB, perhaps a Morse would make sense. But I think he makes the club or retires.

Maybe I've missed it, but there's not been a lot of buzz from camp that Williamson will make it. There was some buzz over Marrero at first but it mainly seems to be Morse right now. While I agree that they should play the kids, I think that they ship Williamson to Sac and purchase Morse' contract, which mean someone gets bumped from the 40 man.

 

[LHG]

Assuming Morse and Hill make the 25 man roster, who do you all think get the bump off the 40 man roster to make room for those two? Crick's decent spring makes him more unlikely. Does Tomlinson fall that far? Is Miguel Gomez a goner too? The Giants like their pitchers. I wonder if those two are the casualties.

 

[SFGRTB]

Now I know that Bochy loves him some veterans but it seems hard to understand his desire for Morse to make the roster as a 5th outfielder (or 4th, platooning with Parker). "If the bat plays, you find a place for him" Bochy is quoted as saying. Sure, that makes sense in a vacuum, but considering Williamson's bat looks good too (Bochy must be coming up with some contrary statement about him "He needs some work" or something like that) and he has much more experience in the outfield the past three years while Morse quipped about playing left field "It was fun. It was like riding a bike . . . with two flat tires". I'd rather see Williamson break with the team than Morse.

The way I see it, the Giants don't want to lose Morse if Mac falters. If they go with Mac, Morse is not going to accept a AAA assignment, there are quotes on that from himself somewhere. But if they go with Morse, and he falters, they can fall back on Mac. That also means that Mac is at least getting consistent AB's.

Now, you bring up who gets booted off the 40-man? That's a big question all together because it sounds like the Giants are really high on a reliever too.

Ian Gardeck probably get's placed on the 60-day DL while he rehabs. Other than that? Maybe they use Crick's good spring as trade bait?

The Giants seem pretty bent on getting Morse and Hwang/Hill a spot, so I think they have a plan in place already.