2017 Roster

[es4m11]

I've said numerous times your wrong in saying only one contract had to be redone. Hell id say another contract will have to be redone before the season starts.

Well Manster, I have never said what I would do is what the Cowboys will do. Only that I would do things differently, in the way I have outlined. Dallas may very well restructure another deal, some writers speculate it is Dez next. I disagree with the idea, and my whole point is to show that there are other ways. Seems that is lost on you.

These are contracts and numbers, they don't have feelings, only values. Your opinion is that I am wrong. That's okay, I am working with facts, and can prove that it does work numerically. Dallas would never do what I would propose so it is a moot point. But whatever.

 

[es4m11]

My preference for a FA target would be a pass rusher. The only thing we must address in FA though is CB. When I say must I don't mean where our biggest weakness is, I mean we can't really even field a team without doing so. Be it our own guys or others we cannot go into the draft with neither Mo nor Carr on the team and also without picking up anyone else. Scandrick wasn't the guy he has been (I'm hoping only due to injury) and Brown is very promising, but still young and McFadden is...well I'm not sure what he is. If we resign either Mo or Carr (I'm hoping Mo) then we can see how things go in the draft. I don't think we can afford a top pass rusher, but maybe a 3rd down specialist (I wanted Freeney last year) or perhaps Ware if the numbers can work. We are very close. We just need to strengthen a couple of spots and get a little luck...

Agreed. I think Dallas looks to bring back Carr.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ware back here, but it would have to be cheap.

How about a FA haul of Carr, Wilcox, Irving and Ware? Might be about the best we can hope for.

 

[Manster7588]

The rookie class does not have to be signed before 6/1, there is no rule stating that. The Romo money should be in the bank by the time it is necessary to sign them. The rookie contracts do not have to come into play with the current $11-12 million available.

The rookie class does not have to be signed before 6/1, there is no rule stating that. The Romo money should be in the bank by the time it is necessary to sign them. The rookie contracts do not have to come into play with the current $11-12 million available.

Where did you get this from? You're go to cap site Dallas Cowboys 2017 Salary Cap says 6.7M.
That will be eaten up real quick. No of course you can release players for cap space but that money will just be resigned to another player.
I'm not a capoligist and by reading what your saying neither are you.

 

[es4m11]

Where did you get this from? You're go to cap site Dallas Cowboys 2017 Salary Cap says 6.7M.
That will be eaten up real quick. No of course you can release players for cap space but that money will just be resigned to another player.
I'm not a capoligist and by reading what your saying neither are you.

It's called the rule of 51. Read it. I already linked it in a previous post.

 

[PDay8810]

I was listening to local sports talk yesterday and they were going over the stats of some of the elite pass rushers. Most didn't do much their rookie season. Ware with 8 was a huge exception. Seems there is a huge adjustment from college to pro ball for pass rushers. It seems to me Dallas would be better served to draft the best player available at 28 with hopes that is a db or LB than a pass rusher. I think the best we can hope for is the continued development from guys we already have in house and adding D. Ware as a rotation guy to the mix. I think Ware could do wonders with the young guys we already have like Tapper, Lawrence, and Irving.

I think this team will resign Church. I'm not a huge fan but see the value in Church to this current team. I also think they sign Mo or Carr but not both. As much as I think there is more value with MO, he just can't stay on the field, thus I would lean towards Carr

 

[es4m11]

I was listening to local sports talk yesterday and they were going over the stats of some of the elite pass rushers. Most didn't do much their rookie season. Ware with 8 was a huge exception. Seems there is a huge adjustment from college to pro ball for pass rushers. It seems to me Dallas would be better served to draft the best player available at 28 with hopes that is a db or LB than a pass rusher. I think the best we can hope for is the continued development from guys we already have in house and adding D. Ware as a rotation guy to the mix. I think Ware could do wonders with the young guys we already have like Tapper, Lawrence, and Irving.

I think this team will resign Church. I'm not a huge fan but see the value in Church to this current team. I also think they sign Mo or Carr but not both. As much as I think there is more value with MO, he just can't stay on the field, thus I would lean towards Carr

I agree with all of this. Only one slight deviation is I could see Dallas going after Wilcox instead of Church because he would be a little cheaper, and younger.

Unless another contract is restructured, one of these guys (Carr, Church/Wilcox, Ware) would have to wait until 6/2 to sign.

Question is, how much does Ware cost? We know about what to expect for the other guys.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I was listening to local sports talk yesterday and they were going over the stats of some of the elite pass rushers. Most didn't do much their rookie season. Ware with 8 was a huge exception. Seems there is a huge adjustment from college to pro ball for pass rushers. It seems to me Dallas would be better served to draft the best player available at 28 with hopes that is a db or LB than a pass rusher. I think the best we can hope for is the continued development from guys we already have in house and adding D. Ware as a rotation guy to the mix. I think Ware could do wonders with the young guys we already have like Tapper, Lawrence, and Irving.

I think this team will resign Church. I'm not a huge fan but see the value in Church to this current team. I also think they sign Mo or Carr but not both. As much as I think there is more value with MO, he just can't stay on the field, thus I would lean towards Carr

I think if they are going to sign a DE, it will be a big name. They have plenty of guys, as you mentioned, that might develop. Maybe draft someone, sign someone, and be able to attack with a ton of fresh legs, as Coach Rod likes to do

 

[es4m11]

I think if they are going to sign a DE, it will be a big name. They have plenty of guys, as you mentioned, that might develop. Maybe draft someone, sign someone, and be able to attack with a ton of fresh legs, as Coach Rod likes to do

Who do you think will be restructured to create the room for a big name? Unless you're talking about DWare...

Dallas has a little space at current, but the way the rule of 51 works the Cowboys can't just dish out all of the available cap space to one guy without releasing a bunch (all?) of their futures contracts. It could be done, but I doubt they go that route. So if it is a big name, another restructure is coming, but who would you choose?

They can however spread it around in smaller hits, like say $5m here, $3m there, etc. and still maintain their futures contracts.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

I was listening to local sports talk yesterday and they were going over the stats of some of the elite pass rushers. Most didn't do much their rookie season. Ware with 8 was a huge exception. Seems there is a huge adjustment from college to pro ball for pass rushers. It seems to me Dallas would be better served to draft the best player available at 28 with hopes that is a db or LB than a pass rusher. I think the best we can hope for is the continued development from guys we already have in house and adding D. Ware as a rotation guy to the mix. I think Ware could do wonders with the young guys we already have like Tapper, Lawrence, and Irving.

I think this team will resign Church. I'm not a huge fan but see the value in Church to this current team. I also think they sign Mo or Carr but not both. As much as I think there is more value with MO, he just can't stay on the field, thus I would lean towards Carr

Not too many Jevon Kearses out there these days. He had Nashville jumping in 1999. I can remember the local radio talk shows mentioned the letters LT when talking about him

 

[UK Cowboy]

Who do you think will be restructured to create the room for a big name? Unless you're talking about DWare...

Dallas has a little space at current, but the way the rule of 51 works the Cowboys can't just dish out all of the available cap space to one guy without releasing a bunch (all?) of their futures contracts. It could be done, but I doubt they go that route. So if it is a big name, another restructure is coming, but who would you choose?

They can however spread it around in smaller hits, like say $5m here, $3m there, etc. and still maintain their futures contracts.

I think they can sign anyone they want. The best players on this team are young, they can sign and extend then all for the next decade and it won't kill them. I don't see them dropping huge money on a lot of big names, but there are some guys that would make some sense individually. Ware would be perfect IMO. Chandler Jones would be worth a big hit. JPP as well. Kawaan Short inside is a stud. Any of those guys might improve the whole units. I know Jerry isn't completely running the show, but he's at least in on the plan, and it wouldn't be the first time he's spilled the beans. When he talked of adding "War Daddies" on defense, I don't think he meant Vet minimum guys.

 

[es4m11]

I think they can sign anyone they want. The best players on this team are young, they can sign and extend then all for the next decade and it won't kill them. I don't see them dropping huge money on a lot of big names, but there are some guys that would make some sense individually. Ware would be perfect IMO. Chandler Jones would be worth a big hit. JPP as well. Kawaan Short inside is a stud. Any of those guys might improve the whole units. I know Jerry isn't completely running the show, but he's at least in on the plan, and it wouldn't be the first time he's spilled the beans. When he talked of adding "War Daddies" on defense, I don't think he meant Vet minimum guys.

Theoretically the Cowboys can sign anyone they want, but not in their current cap situation. It will take another large restructure to create the kind of cap space necessary to afford a large cap hit, say north of $10m. Speculating here, if Dallas had already planned a 3rd restructure, wouldn't they have announced it with Smith and Frederick?

For conversations sake, so which contract would it be? It would have to be someone with a large base salary. There's only a few on the team that would create enough cap space to make a large acquisition (e.g. Chandler Jones, JPP, Kawaan Short). Dez and Lee are the only ones that seem to fit the bill. Don't know that I want to restructure either of those guys.

I think when Jerry referenced "War Daddies" he was talking about the draft. But maybe I misinterpreted that?

 

[PDay8810]

I agree with all of this. Only one slight deviation is I could see Dallas going after Wilcox instead of Church because he would be a little cheaper, and younger.

Unless another contract is restructured, one of these guys (Carr, Church/Wilcox, Ware) would have to wait until 6/2 to sign.

Question is, how much does Ware cost? We know about what to expect for the other guys.

I forgot about Wilcox and since I pronounced myself as VP of his fan club 2 years ago. Gotta keep Wilcox.

 

[es4m11]

I forgot about Wilcox and since I pronounced myself as VP of his fan club 2 years ago. Gotta keep Wilcox.

He came around, finally. You held firm in your convictions, and were eventually proven true. I respect that. I was wrong about Wilcox.

Very happy to see the player Wilcox has become. Could not have imagined this two years ago. I think he is ready to take a starting role. Came on real strong at the end of the year, and really made some nice plays in coverage. I also think there is value in the intimidation factor JJ brings - opposing players know he can and will blow them up.

 

[PDay8810]

I think Ware is the target...could be wrong.

I remain all about talent of the backend. Hope they get one at 28

 

[es4m11]

I think Ware is the target...could be wrong.

I remain all about talent of the backend. Hope they get one at 28

Seems like a good fit to me. It's my hope that Ware is a Cowboy next year. He's also the kind of guy who can wait around and take his time to sign in a free agency - has all the financial stability he needs, older, has a ring. Ideally, and this is just me talking, Jerry has a handshake deal with Ware that he becomes a Cowboy 6/2, once Romo's money is off the books.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

I think Ware is the target...could be wrong.

I remain all about talent of the backend. Hope they get one at 28

I'm always for the CB pick. They seem to get injured more than other positions- not just ours. I found it odd that our top 4 CBs last yr were 2 fifths, 1 sixth, and a first round draft pick.

 

[jarntt]

Agreed. I think Dallas looks to bring back Carr.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ware back here, but it would have to be cheap.

How about a FA haul of Carr, Wilcox, Irving and Ware? Might be about the best we can hope for.

I think we will bring back Church and Mo. Tough to price both of them. I think Church gets a decent $ and Mo could be anywhere on the spectrum depending on what teams think. After years of not playing too well, He played like an All Pro when healthy in 2016, but then got hurt...again...

He came around, finally. You held firm in your convictions, and were eventually proven true. I respect that. I was wrong about Wilcox.

Very happy to see the player Wilcox has become. Could not have imagined this two years ago. I think he is ready to take a starting role. Came on real strong at the end of the year, and really made some nice plays in coverage. I also think there is value in the intimidation factor JJ brings - opposing players know he can and will blow them up.

Wilcox starting would be horrible. He had some big hits and still just as many plays where he was WAY too late on the back end and still is not good in coverage, but did improve for sure. He would be an adequate reserve again, but if this team goes into the season with him starting and Heath behind him and no cover safety on the bench it will be a disastrous decision IMO. Heath and Wilcox both made some ESPN plays, but are way too inconsistent to play every down.

 

[PDay8810]

LOL....some things never change.

Wilcox has improved greatly from a small college runningback converted to safety.
and....for the record, I think Church played well last year due to Lee, but hardly near an all pro

opinions vary greatly here....

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I wouldn't lose sleep if we drafted a safety. I think having Jones back there probably helped everyone out. Both played better than they have but an upgrade could still be made.

 

[PDay8810]

I wouldn't lose sleep if we drafted a safety. I think having Jones back there probably helped everyone out. Both played better than they have but an upgrade could still be made.

Sure...I'm down with safety. Not so sure Jones doesn't go back to corner in the right situation. thus I'd prefer corner at 28