2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[Heatles84]

Oh and by the way, the soon to be posted 150,000 word sonnet, written in all caps, on why "the Cavs situation is different" that we are all going to be subjected to is on your head, mofo.

That's cool. It's all part of my master plan to give him carpal tunnel. Keep chipping away.

 

[Hornsstampede2.0]

I think the only other team in the west that can pull off beating the Spurs would be Houston. Maybe Memphis?

I am not worried too much Grizzlies. Unless there are injuries, that is a lopsided matchup for the Spurs. They have literally dominated the Grizz more than any other Western team since 2011 where Manu and Timmy were hurt.

The Rockets....meh... I don't trust Mike DAntoni in the playoffs versus Greg Popovich.

The SPURS have issues with the CLIPPERS of the teams outside of GS.
I would rather avoid them honestly as it will be a long draining series of evenly matched teams.

 

[Heatles84]

Dubs take a 17-point lead into the 4th in LA. I'm sorry, @Mecca. I'll send some crank pics to cheer you up.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So hold on.....Wiggy's telling us that Cavs have zero room to maneuver because they're well over the salary cap. Which we're all well aware of.

But when Miami was well over the salary cap and couldn't add any other players, Wiggy called Arison a cheap us for not adding other players. And don't say getting rid of Mike Miller was the reason. That dude was broken down on the bench making over $6 mil per.

Want to make sure this is accurate. Asking for a friend.

well you just left avenues unused that you COULD have used. Like i said- there is a reason why in LeBron's 4 years there the Heat averaged 8th in payroll.

when you leave your mid-level exception TOTALLY UNUSED- i mean- you could have spent it- but you didnt want to pay the DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR TAX ON IT. The Cavs used theirs on Richard Jefferson- and where they are at- it wasnt just DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR to bring him back- it was more like 3-1.

when you signed Joel Anthony to a dumb contract he didnt deserve, what did the heat do? They got RID OF their first round pick just to shed salary. HEre Boston- take Joel Anthonys bad contract off our hands- its not like we are like the Cavs and 1st by a MILE i npayroll. Its not like we are the Cavs and it will save us 3 dollars for every 1 dollar we shed--- were just kinda cheap- instead of using that first round pick on a player or using it to TRADE for a guy like the Cavs just did with Kyle Korver--- wer are just gonna tie that first rounder to a hunk of burning cash to save Mickey Arison a little money.

The Heat were NEVER even top 2 in payroll ever...they were, i nthe 4 years there 22nd, 5th, 3rd and 3rd. The Cavs have been 2, 1 and 1. LeBron expects ownership to match his historic talent with a historic effort from ownership- that means spending.

As much as i criticize the Lakers- when Kobe was in his prime- and they were winning titles- they were #1 in the league in payroll trying to win it every year.

Can you imagine coming to LeBron- and him asking why you just didnt use the MLE, and the team being like--- ehhh--- no one we really wanted (that was the year that you COULD have signed a guy like DeMarre Carrol- a guy who played his way into a big contract for being a solid- defensive minded 3-- no WAY you could have used that to cut down Bron'sminutes, lol). Or coming to LeBron--- yah- we didnt think we could get anyone good with our firt rounder- so we just used it to save some cash. Cool?

We amnestied a guy who went on to shoot 46% freaking PERCENT FROM 3 PLAYING IN ALL 82 GAMES that was LEBrons bud. Why would you need a guy who shoots 46% from 3 around LeBron?--- SAVE THE CASH!

The fact is- If the Heat were #1 in payroll year after year, and ownership committed at the same level LeBron James commits himself to the game- the Cavs would likely be still rebuilding around Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters/Thompson + about 5 other first round picks--- and the Heat would be at the top of the East and not waste deep in the lotto with no plan in site to contend with anyone like the Cavs or CEltics or Raptors- and far behind even other rebuilding teams like the Bucks and Sixers. If they committed to LeBron the way the Lakers committed to Kobe or the way the Cavs are committing to LeBron the history of the league would currently be different in all likelihood.

as i said- if i ever meet Mickey- id thank him.

 

[bksballer89]

Oh and by the way, the soon to be posted 150,000 word sonnet, written in all caps, on why "the Cavs situation is different" that we are all going to be subjected to is on your head, mofo.

Right on cue.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I am not worried too much Grizzlies. Unless there are injuries, that is a lopsided matchup for the Spurs. They have literally dominated the Grizz more than any other Western team since 2011 where Manu and Timmy were hurt.

The Rockets....meh... I don't trust Mike DAntoni in the playoffs versus Greg Popovich.

The SPURS have issues with the CLIPPERS of the teams outside of GS.
I would rather avoid them honestly as it will be a long draining series of evenly matched teams.

yah its funny....Memphis has trouble with the Spurs, GSW has trouble with Memphis, Clips get destroyed by GSW, Spurs play well against GSW but suck against the Clips...pretty interesting....should make the seeding out West interesting.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

well you just left avenues unused that you COULD have used. Like i said- there is a reason why in LeBron's 4 years there the Heat averaged 8th in payroll.

when you leave your mid-level exception TOTALLY UNUSED- i mean- you could have spent it- but you didnt want to pay the DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR TAX ON IT. The Cavs used theirs on Richard Jefferson- and where they are at- it wasnt just DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR to bring him back- it was more like 3-1.

when you signed Joel Anthony to a dumb contract he didnt deserve, what did the heat do? They got RID OF their first round pick just to shed salary. HEre Boston- take Joel Anthonys bad contract off our hands- its not like we are like the Cavs and 1st by a MILE i npayroll. Its not like we are the Cavs and it will save us 3 dollars for every 1 dollar we shed--- were just kinda cheap- instead of using that first round pick on a player or using it to TRADE for a guy like the Cavs just did with Kyle Korver--- wer are just gonna tie that first rounder to a hunk of burning cash to save Mickey Arison a little money.

The Heat were NEVER even top 2 in payroll ever...they were, i nthe 4 years there 22nd, 5th, 3rd and 3rd. The Cavs have been 2, 1 and 1. LeBron expects ownership to match his historic talent with a historic effort from ownership- that means spending.

As much as i criticize the Lakers- when Kobe was in his prime- and they were winning titles- they were #1 in the league in payroll trying to win it every year.

Can you imagine coming to LeBron- and him asking why you just didnt use the MLE, and the team being like--- ehhh--- no one we really wanted (that was the year that you COULD have signed a guy like DeMarre Carrol- a guy who played his way into a big contract for being a solid- defensive minded 3-- no WAY you could have used that to cut down Bron'sminutes, lol). Or coming to LeBron--- yah- we didnt think we could get anyone good with our firt rounder- so we just used it to save some cash. Cool?

We amnestied a guy who went on to shoot 46% freaking PERCENT FROM 3 PLAYING IN ALL 82 GAMES that was LEBrons bud. Why would you need a guy who shoots 46% from 3 around LeBron?--- SAVE THE CASH!

The fact is- If the Heat were #1 in payroll year after year, and ownership committed at the same level LeBron James commits himself to the game- the Cavs would likely be still rebuilding around Kyrie/Wiggins/Waiters/Thompson + about 5 other first round picks--- and the Heat would be at the top of the East and not waste deep in the lotto with no plan in site to contend with anyone like the Cavs or CEltics or Raptors- and far behind even other rebuilding teams like the Bucks and Sixers. If they committed to LeBron the way the Lakers committed to Kobe or the way the Cavs are committing to LeBron the history of the league would currently be different in all likelihood.

as i said- if i ever meet Mickey- id thank him.

So Heat should have spent it just to spend it, even though it wouldnt have provided a player who could have made the rotation, and limited future spending?

Then, you defend Gilbert for letting Delly/Mozgov go ( because of money), who easily would be in Cavs rotation.

Funnier yet, you act like the Heat failed.
You do undetstand that you need to make the next 2 Finals and win 1 of them just to stay EVEN?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

@WiggyRuss

Don't the Cavs still have a 9.6M trade exception they could use from Verejao trade?

If so, isn't that a totally unused asset?
Is that what James is whining about?

 

[Black Adam]

So Heat should have spent it just to spend it, even though it wouldnt have provided a player who could have made the rotation, and limited future spending?

Then, you defend Gilbert for letting Delly/Mozgov go ( because of money), who easily would be in Cavs rotation.

Funnier yet, you act like the Heat failed.
You do undetstand that you need to make the next 2 Finals and win 1 of them just to stay EVEN?

throw money away and kiss the "king's" ass. what part of Wiggy's logic aren't you getting...?

wisdom and common sense have no place in this equation...

 

[WiggyRuss]

So Heat should have spent it just to spend it, even though it wouldnt have provided a player who could have made the rotation, and limited future spending?

Then, you defend Gilbert for letting Delly/Mozgov go ( because of money), who easily would be in Cavs rotation.

Funnier yet, you act like the Heat failed.
You do undetstand that you need to make the next 2 Finals and win 1 of them just to stay EVEN?

you spend it to add players. The Cavs have been capped out since year 1 and have found a way to add guys like Frye, Korver, Jefferson, ---- have added Smith, Shumpert, Mozgov.

the Heat didnt even TRY and add guys because they were too cheap to do so- all they did was scratch the bottom of the barrel for minimum vet signings. It seriously blows my mind that they Heat just LEFT the middle level exception totally open even though they werent NEAAAAAAAAAAAAR, not even in the same STRATOSPHERE as the Cavs payroll wise.

when your solution to losing is Napier, Danny Green's corpose, and Josh McRoberts- its no wonder LEBron peaced out...lol.

Last year Gilbert spent DBL. the tax amount in ONE YEAR then they Head did in their 4 years COMBINED with LeBron. When you dont put a historical commitment behind a historical talent like a Bron or Kobe- those guys arent going to stick around to be jerked around.

thus- Bron left- won a title- and the Heat are in the lotto.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

throw money away and kiss the "king's" ass. what part of Wiggy's logic aren't you getting...?

wisdom and common sense have no place in this equation...

In the Heats case, it would have been throwing it away, because I don't recall any player being out there that would have made any difference.

I get that when you have a legit chance to win, you need to go all in, but all in needs to make moves that at least should improve your chances.
Adding a name and salary to sit on the bench, just because you can, makes no sense and is just terrible business.

 

[WiggyRuss]

i mean just THINK about that- the Cavs spent $54 million in TAX ALONE last year.....way more than the Heat spent in 4 years COMBINED....

ya know why? because the Heat made moves like giving away their first rounder to save money on guys like Joel Anthony- to just save some cash because they signed a guy to a dumb deal. LOL.

its not hard to figure out why Bron peaced out.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

you spend it to add players. The Cavs have been capped out since year 1 and have found a way to add guys like Frye, Korver, Jefferson, ---- have added Smith, Shumpert, Mozgov.

the Heat didnt even TRY and add guys because they were too cheap to do so- all they did was scratch the bottom of the barrel for minimum vet signings. It seriously blows my mind that they Heat just LEFT the middle level exception totally open even though they werent NEAAAAAAAAAAAAR, not even in the same STRATOSPHERE as the Cavs payroll wise.

when your solution to losing is Napier, Danny Green's corpose, and Josh McRoberts- its no wonder LEBron peaced out...lol.

Last year Gilbert spent DBL. the tax amount in ONE YEAR then they Head did in their 4 years COMBINED with LeBron. When you dont put a historical commitment behind a historical talent like a Bron or Kobe- those guys arent going to stick around to be jerked around.

thus- Bron left- won a title- and the Heat are in the lotto.

"The Cavs have been capped out since year 1 and have found a way to add guys like Frye, Korver, Jefferson, ---- have added Smith, Shumpert, Mozgov."


Come on, look at the Heats roster year 1, and then the others.

They added Lewis , Allen, Battier, and others.

As far as the summer James left, the Heat had no $$, just like the Cavs don't now..
That's why James is suddenly whining.

You keep mixing and matching season and situations when each needs to be evaluated separately.

I totally get why James was concerned about the future here when he left, but it wasn't like the Heat at that point had assets or cash they were just trying to stash.

 

[Black Adam]

In the Heats case, it would have been throwing it away, because I don't recall any player being out there that would have made any difference.

I get that when you have a legit chance to win, you need to go all in, but all in needs to make moves that at least should improve your chances.
Adding a name and salary to sit on the bench, just because you can, makes no sense and is just terrible business.

in all honesty i see what you mean. in this case as far as the current Cavs go i'm not seeing a piece of the puzzle, so to speak, that's going to be a true counter to the Dubs' roster anyhow. and let's not kid ourselves, that's the bottom line when it comes to LeClown's recent bitch fits. hey, maybe miracle trade or something i'm not seeing COULD happen, but i'm doubting it...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i mean just THINK about that- the Cavs spent $54 million in TAX ALONE last year.....way more than the Heat spent in 4 years COMBINED....

ya know why? because the Heat made moves like giving away their first rounder to save money on guys like Joel Anthony- to just save some cash because they signed a guy to a dumb deal. LOL.

its not hard to figure out why Bron peaced out.

All of this means nothing because James handled his move here vs his move back there totally different.
In coming here, he knew all 3 players would have to sacrifice $$ to just even unite.
It took all they had to just have enough to add UD and Miller. Yes, that was our 4th and 5th best supposed players.
Heat never had a bunch of young assets, because unlike the Cavs, never sucked enough to accumulate them.

Again, not sure why you can't see or comprehend this.



No comment on why you ignored what Cavs need to do just to break even with what the Heat did?

 

[Black Adam]

btw, just taking a look at the EC standings, the Celtics are closer to the Cavs than i thought...

that might be an interesting series after all...

 

[Black Adam]

btw, just taking a look at the EC standings, the Celtics are closer to the Cavs than i thought...

that might be an interesting series after all...

so Wiggy, you gonna be a Lakers fan tonight...?

 

[WiggyRuss]

what really cracks me up is even TRYING to compare the two- the Heat and Cavs payrolls....its like comparing Apples and Hammers.

The Heat AVERAGED 8th in the league in payroll in LeBron's 4 years there

the Cavs have avareged #1 in LeBrons 3 years here.

The Cavs spent more in tax in 1 year then the Heat did in 4 years COMBINED.

Heat never had a bunch of young assets, because unlike the Cavs, never sucked enough to accumulate them.

Again, not sure why you can't see or comprehend this.


?

the avenues and assets you had you WASTEd- leaving a MLE OPEN because your cheap

the first rounder- it could have been used to TRADE for someone or draft someone- instead? it was USED TO save MONEY--- like you said - one of the few assets you had was used to SAVE SOME CASH.....lol....i couldnt even imagine the fallout if Gilbert was 3rd in the league in payroll and used assets to save money instead of adding players.....ya know what would happen? what did happen to the Heat--- LeBron would get his ass out of there ASAP because he expects an owner to match his historic commitment and talent......the Lakers did it, the Cavs are doing it- the HEat were too cheap to- and thus are in the lotto.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

what really cracks me up is even TRYING to compare the two- the Heat and Cavs payrolls....its like comparing Apples and Hammers.

The Heat AVERAGED 8th in the league in payroll in LeBron's 4 years there

the Cavs have avareged #1 in LeBrons 3 years here.

The Cavs spent more in tax in 1 year then the Heat did in 4 years COMBINED.

the avenues and assets you had you WASTEd- leaving a MLE OPEN because your cheap

the first rounder- it could have been used to TRADE for someone or draft someone- instead? it was USED TO save MONEY--- like you said - one of the few assets you had was used to SAVE SOME CASH.....lol....i couldnt even imagine the fallout if Gilbert was 3rd in the league in payroll and used assets to save money instead of adding players.....ya know what would happen? what did happen to the Heat--- LeBron would get his ass out of there ASAP because he expects an owner to match his historic commitment and talent......the Lakers did it, the Cavs are doing it- the HEat were too cheap to- and thus are in the lotto.

Only you would compare payrolls, when its apples and oranges in most every situation.

Lets compare results.


Do the Cavs still have the 9.6 M exception?
Why?

Can the Cavs match what the Heat accomplished, yet alone inprove on it?

Your tons of words add up to nothing but rhetoric.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

btw, just taking a look at the EC standings, the Celtics are closer to the Cavs than i thought...

that might be an interesting series after all...

I think Wizards present the most potential problems.
Not enough to beat James 4/7, but if Wiz play like they are its going 6-7