2015-16 NBA Western Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[LAD]

I don't think he's worth that.

But, I do think that's what he'll end up getting in an offer in free agency. There's already lots of talk about him receiving a max offer from teams. His salary will be very close to, if not max money next year. It's not what I believe he's worth, but his market value.

Interesting.....

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think Barnes at his peak will be a more athletic version of Gordon Hayward as he is now. He's not going to be a real go-to guy, but he's going to be an up and down player with flashes of fantastic play.

Barnes will never be as good as Heyward....the guy lacks heart and any kind of killer instinct

 

[CitySushi]

Barnes will never be as good as Heyward....the guy lacks heart and any kind of killer instinct

Maybe. It's entirely possible that Barnes may never be as good as Hayward.

Killer instinct? Maybe, but he's not shown a killer instinct, because he's not really needed to. He's never been more than a 4th option so how would you ever know?

Lacks heart? Really? How would you even come to that conclusion. He frequently plays an undersized 4 and does a fantastic job at that. He bangs down low, plays really underrated defense and has done a much better job of rebounding his position. He's also gotten better every year, which shows he's put in the time and work.

 

[LAD]

Maybe. It's entirely possible that Barnes may never be as good as Hayward.

Killer instinct? Maybe, but he's not shown a killer instinct, because he's not really needed to. He's never been more than a 4th option so how would you ever know?

Lacks heart? Really? How would you even come to that conclusion. He frequently plays an undersized 4 and does a fantastic job at that. He bangs down low, plays really underrated defense and has done a much better job of rebounding his position. He's also gotten better every year, which shows he's put in the time and work.

All of those things are the reason I wonder if he'd surprise many & actually excel as a #1 option if ever given the chance.

But, I think he likes his role with GS and if given the option would stay with the team even with the other offers out there.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Maybe. It's entirely possible that Barnes may never be as good as Hayward.

Killer instinct? Maybe, but he's not shown a killer instinct, because he's not really needed to. He's never been more than a 4th option so how would you ever know?

Lacks heart? Really? How would you even come to that conclusion. He frequently plays an undersized 4 and does a fantastic job at that. He bangs down low, plays really underrated defense and has done a much better job of rebounding his position. He's also gotten better every year, which shows he's put in the time and work.

i dunno man.

Barnes was - from what I remember- EASILY the #1 recruit coming out of high school that year and was even getting LeBron comparisons at some point- I know the Cavs passed on him (and unfortunately took Dion- instead of Drummond- or Lillard {but there was reasons for that}), in part because of his lack of fire and ability to take over a game

I remember him multiple times at UNC - watching those games- at this point the Cavs were knee-deep i ntheir rebuild and i was watching a lot of college ball- and I always was waiting for Barnes to break out and show that talent but he really just didnt do it.---when that season started i had DREAMS of pairing Kyrie with Barnes- but as the season went on- you could tell Barnes was not going to be an ultra-high pick anymore.


I think Barnes will settle in as a guy like Tristan Thompson- a specialist that is a very solid player but never a guy that can consistently take over games.

Just my opinion- and he may well prove me wrong- but that is what I have seen and read thus far.....he seems IDEALLY suited as like the 4th or 5th guy on a great team like the Cavs or Warriors- but hes gonna get paid like a number 2 or 3- and i dont think he can live up to it- we shall see.

 

[CitySushi]

i dunno man.

Barnes was - from what I remember- EASILY the #1 recruit coming out of high school that year and was even getting LeBron comparisons at some point- I know the Cavs passed on him (and unfortunately took Dion- instead of Drummond- or Lillard {but there was reasons for that}), in part because of his lack of fire and ability to take over a game

I remember him multiple times at UNC - watching those games- at this point the Cavs were knee-deep i ntheir rebuild and i was watching a lot of college ball- and I always was waiting for Barnes to break out and show that talent but he really just didnt do it.---when that season started i had DREAMS of pairing Kyrie with Barnes- but as the season went on- you could tell Barnes was not going to be an ultra-high pick anymore.


I think Barnes will settle in as a guy like Tristan Thompson- a specialist that is a very solid player but never a guy that can consistently take over games.

Just my opinion- and he may well prove me wrong- but that is what I have seen and read thus far.....he seems IDEALLY suited as like the 4th or 5th guy on a great team like the Cavs or Warriors- but hes gonna get paid like a number 2 or 3- and i dont think he can live up to it- we shall see.

Yeah Barnes definitely had a lackluster career at UNC. You could possible argue he's underachieved in the pro's as well, but that's also a bit unfair all things considered.

I wanted Drummond in Barnes spot, and even though he's shown to be the bigger talent, I can't complain.

 

[lakersrule]

The Lakers could end up with the worst record in the league and still not retain the 2016 1st rounder. They could end up with the 6th worst record in the league and retain the pick. So goes the lottery. If they luck out and retain the pick, Philly gets their 2017 1st rounder which is top-3 protected again. Would next season then be all about #tankaThon? At some point you just have to let the chips fall where they may.

Yes, ideally they keep this year's pick and have that additional asset. Lucking into the #1 pick would provide them either another young one to build around or a huge trade chip. However, they most likely lose that pick. I doubt they end up in the top 3 these next two draft lotteries. The youth need to develop. The youth were an integral part of last night's win. And remember, the Lakers want to attract the top FAs this summer. The Philly rebuild model is not going to attract those players.

 

[Mecca]

All of those things are the reason I wonder if he'd surprise many & actually excel as a #1 option if ever given the chance.

But, I think he likes his role with GS and if given the option would stay with the team even with the other offers out there.

He's gone this summer.

Remember: He turned down the $64 million that the Dubs offered him this summer.

He wants a max and some cool as team will give it to him.

He is in a similar position to Harden when he was with the Thunder and Joe Johnson when he was with the Suns.

Neither of those Teams were coming off a Chip. But, they had a high levels level of success.

I don't think Harrison wants to be the man. But, he does want to get paid like he is.

Like Sushi said a few days ago, the Warriors can't give everyone a max...especially when Curry is on deck next.

If he leaves, there is still a Brightside.......they have Kevin Looney.

 

[Mecca]

Yeah Barnes definitely had a lackluster career at UNC. You could possible argue he's underachieved in the pro's as well, but that's also a bit unfair all things considered.

I wanted Drummond in Barnes spot, and even though he's shown to be the bigger talent, I can't complain.

I think it's a bit unfair to criticize the guy for staying in his lane.

Would it be better if he went all Dion Waiters causing turmoil because he thinks he should be a first option when really he should be 5th?

 

[Mecca]

i dunno man.

Barnes was - from what I remember- EASILY the #1 recruit coming out of high school that year and was even getting LeBron comparisons at some point- I know the Cavs passed on him (and unfortunately took Dion- instead of Drummond- or Lillard {but there was reasons for that}), in part because of his lack of fire and ability to take over a game

I remember him multiple times at UNC - watching those games- at this point the Cavs were knee-deep i ntheir rebuild and i was watching a lot of college ball- and I always was waiting for Barnes to break out and show that talent but he really just didnt do it.---when that season started i had DREAMS of pairing Kyrie with Barnes- but as the season went on- you could tell Barnes was not going to be an ultra-high pick anymore.


I think Barnes will settle in as a guy like Tristan Thompson- a specialist that is a very solid player but never a guy that can consistently take over games.

Just my opinion- and he may well prove me wrong- but that is what I have seen and read thus far.....he seems IDEALLY suited as like the 4th or 5th guy on a great team like the Cavs or Warriors- but hes gonna get paid like a number 2 or 3- and i dont think he can live up to it- we shall see.

He was compared to Lebron?...lol

I missed that.

I see him more in the mode of Lamar Odom.

 

[LAD]

He's gone this summer.

Remember: He turned down the $64 million that the Dubs offered him this summer.

He wants a max and some cool as team will give it to him.

He is in a similar position to Harden when he was with the Thunder and Joe Johnson when he was with the Suns.

Neither of those Teams were coming off a Chip. But, they had a high levels level of success.

I don't think Harrison wants to be the man. But, he does want to get paid like he is.

Like Sushi said a few days ago, the Warriors can't give everyone a max...especially when Curry is on deck next.

If he leaves, there is still a Brightside.......they have Kevin Looney.

You could be right, if they don't win again this year. But, if they win I think he stays put.

 

[Mecca]

You could be right, if they don't win again this year. But, if they win I think he stays put.

You think he would turn down a max deal?

I mean, if we are talking about a mil or two per year....maaaaaaaaaaybe.

But, if some dumb asks GM is offering him $25mil to the Dubs $16?



It could happen, I guess.

But, guys usually take pay cuts at the end of their careers, not the beginning.

 

[bksballer89]

You think he would turn down a max deal?

I mean, if we are talking about a mil or two per year....maaaaaaaaaaybe.

But, if some dumb asks GM is offering him $25mil to the Dubs $16?



It could happen, I guess.

But, guys usually take pay cuts at the end of their careers, not the beginning.

Tell your boys to go easy on us tonight. We're only going to have 3 starters. Thanks in advance

 

[LAD]

You think he would turn down a max deal?

I mean, if we are talking about a mil or two per year....maaaaaaaaaaybe.

But, if some dumb asks GM is offering him $25mil to the Dubs $16?



It could happen, I guess.

But, guys usually take pay cuts at the end of their careers, not the beginning.

Hahaha I see your points, but I think the enviornment in the Bay is much different than with other teams. I think the fact that when they win it truly is a TEAM accomplishment is what keeps the chemistry great. I think each of them feel they are part of something much bigger than any one individual thing and winning keeps them happy.

Now, if he were on a team where he barely contributed and wasn't able to contribute like he does then yes, without a doubt I could see him moving on.

 

[CitySushi]

He's gone this summer.

Remember: He turned down the $64 million that the Dubs offered him this summer.

He wants a max and some cool as team will give it to him.

He is in a similar position to Harden when he was with the Thunder and Joe Johnson when he was with the Suns.

Neither of those Teams were coming off a Chip. But, they had a high levels level of success.

I don't think Harrison wants to be the man. But, he does want to get paid like he is.

Like Sushi said a few days ago, the Warriors can't give everyone a max...especially when Curry is on deck next.

If he leaves, there is still a Brightside.......they have Kevin Looney.

Not sure if that's a joke, but it could be entirely possible. From a talent perspective, he was a total steal at 30. He just had his first D-League game after surgery and posted 11 points and 12 boards. Once he gets his legs back, I'm hoping that point total soars towards 18 for the year.

 

[Mecca]

Not sure if that's a joke, but it could be entirely possible. From a talent perspective, he was a total steal at 30. He just had his first D-League game after surgery and posted 11 points and 12 boards. Once he gets his legs back, I'm hoping that point total soars towards 18 for the year.

No joke.

I am a HUGE UCLA can.

Looney needed to fix the hitch in his gettyup and the sun every should have corrected that.

He was a total STEAL.

 

[Mecca]

Tell your boys to go easy on us tonight. We're only going to have 3 starters. Thanks in advance

Heat by 15.

We can't keep this up forever.

 

[lakersrule]

Hahaha I see your points, but I think the enviornment in the Bay is much different than with other teams. I think the fact that when they win it truly is a TEAM accomplishment is what keeps the chemistry great. I think each of them feel they are part of something much bigger than any one individual thing and winning keeps them happy.

Now, if he were on a team where he barely contributed and wasn't able to contribute like he does then yes, without a doubt I could see him moving on.

That's a very altruistic opinion but a rare occurrence in the NBA. I think Danny Green was a good example of that recently. However, most players have limited opportunities to get those huge contracts. I can't see him turning down a max offer.

 

[Mecca]

Hahaha I see your points, but I think the enviornment in the Bay is much different than with other teams. I think the fact that when they win it truly is a TEAM accomplishment is what keeps the chemistry great. I think each of them feel they are part of something much bigger than any one individual thing and winning keeps them happy.

Now, if he were on a team where he barely contributed and wasn't able to contribute like he does then yes, without a doubt I could see him moving on.

It would be refreshing if he did stay.

But, who's gonna turn down that kind of money...unless its Philly offering?

This Summer is gonna be crazy because the cap won't see another huge jump like this....probably ever.

I think the Clippers and the Cavs are the only teams that won't have enough space to offer a max contract.

But, both have the ability to shed contracts to get there.

Thank God in Heaven that Lance Stephenson's next year is a Team option.

That's 9 mil off the books.

Maybe Doc wasn't smoking crack when he took the contract after all.

But, that giving him waaaaaaaaay to much credit.

 

[lakersrule]

Heat by 15.

We can't keep this up forever.

Go Heat!