Series Thread: 1st Round: Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia Sixers

[tlance]

could be the best trade in Celtics history besides the Nets deal

Lots of great trades in Celtics history.

As good as Tatum is, I am not sure it ranks top 5.

 

[Gman]

sixers played better than I expected.
We could not hit a three

The 76ers are still a decent team, and a hard nosed team... they're not gonna die easy.

You can tell a guy like Richardson has pride.

 

[bksballer89]

NBA needs to be more aggressive. 15 shots with no Simmons available is far too little. Should be around 21-24 in every game

 

[ericd7633]

A few dynasties have started with a coaching change. Warriors too.

But the Sixers are too late. They needed to rewind to the Fultz draft and take a redo with every move they made.

At that time, they had Embiid, Simmons, Covington, the #1 pick and a ton of cap space.

They really screwed this thing up.

Also because we passed on Tatum, it made us trade for Harris, while giving up a really nice piece in Shamet. And we traded Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith in 2018 who's played a grand total of 13 career games. And traded for 40 games of Butler, and used the $$ on signing Horford, who now sucks.

We could have had Embiid, Covington, Tatum, Simmons, Shamet, Bridges, Saric, and Shake as the main 8 guys, just off drafting alone. Leave it to Colangelo and Brown to fuck it up though.

 

[LogicMan]

The 76ers are still a decent team, and a hard nosed team... they're not gonna die easy.

You can tell a guy like Richardson has pride.

I would agree. And its clear that we don't match up well against the sixers with there 5.

 

[LogicMan]

Lots of great trades in Celtics history.

As good as Tatum is, I am not sure it ranks top 5.

Time will tell, we are in the first 10% of his career

 

[fightinfunbags]

This might be a minority opinion but if the decision came down to picking either Simmons or Embiid and trading the other I'm picking Simmons all the time to keep

And I love Embiid but he just doesn't pay with enough heart consistently

Also Simmons brings more to the floor than Embiid - intangibles, defense, playmaking, etc.

Focusing on Simmons' lack of 3 point shot is narrow minded

Now this opinion can change if Embiid actually took basketball seriously instead of talking about taking it seriously and playing small too many times

I also lean trading Embiid for numerous reasons:
1. He’s glass
2. If he had the makeup of a champion he’d have exhibited that by now.
3. He is going to bring more on the market back right now than Ben Simmons who isn’t shooting right now and could be perceived as broken (despite being an All Star and potential unicorn)
4. You are stuck with Horford who can play 5 on a team constructed with Simmons and Harris. Both Horford and Harris play better off of Simmons.
5. The pieces that play best with Embiid are easy to move on from like Furk.
6. Simmons game will evolve. He’s 24. And he makes pieces on the team better.

 

[SteelersPride]

good game.....tatum's awesome, so is brown though. They are a fantastic tandem

 

[fightinfunbags]

A few dynasties have started with a coaching change. Warriors too.

But the Sixers are too late. They needed to rewind to the Fultz draft and take a redo with every move they made.

At that time, they had Embiid, Simmons, Covington, the #1 pick and a ton of cap space.

They really screwed this thing up.

Great post. Can’t disagree.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Also because we passed on Tatum, it made us trade for Harris, while giving up a really nice piece in Shamet. And we traded Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith in 2018 who's played a grand total of 13 career games. And traded for 40 games of Butler, and used the $$ on signing Horford, who now sucks.

We could have had Embiid, Covington, Tatum, Simmons, Shamet, Bridges, Saric, and Shake as the main 8 guys, just off drafting alone. Leave it to Colangelo and Brown to fuck it up though.

You want to sprinkle in some Kristaps Porzingas for Jah Okafor? And then how about Furkan Korkmaz for Pascal Siakam? Or are you sick enough?

 

[ericd7633]

You want to sprinkle in some Kristaps Porzingas for Jah Okafor? And then how about Furkan Korkmaz for Pascal Siakam? Or are you sick enough?

If we take Porzingas though, we don't get Simmons more than likely the following year. At least with Okafor, we sucked enough to land Simmons and then with him being out we were in position to have the #1 pick in 2017(albeit trading up). 2017 and 2018 were the huge swing and misses IMO.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If we take Porzingas though, we don't get Simmons more than likely the following year. At least with Okafor, we sucked enough to land Simmons and then with him being out we were in position to have the #1 pick in 2017(albeit trading up). 2017 and 2018 were the huge swing and misses IMO.

That’s good thinking on Porzingas making them good enough to not have the ping pong balls bounce our way.

 

[bksballer89]

When do you stop trusting the process?

 

[msgkings322]

When do you stop trusting the process?

In 3 more Celtics wins

 

[tlance]

When do you stop trusting the process?

Honestly that was the problem.

When they fired Hinkie and hired Colangelo. Had they “trusted the process”, things would have gone a lot better.

Colangelo was predictably bad. He made a ton of short sighted moves. They should have been thinking big. Building culture and using the cap space to sign another star.

Instead they whiffed on Fultz and gave up a ton of assets to make a bunch of trades that didn’t really work.

Ironically, they stuck with an overmatched Brett Brown throughout it all.

Sorry, but winning 50 games with that roster is not an achievement.

Lastly, the process worked. It netted them 2 young stars and an obscene amount of assets to build around them. They just squandered it.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Honestly that was the problem.

When they fired Hinkie and hired Colangelo. Had they “trusted the process”, things would have gone a lot better.

Colangelo was predictably bad. He made a ton of short sighted moves. They should have been thinking big. Building culture and using the cap space to sign another star.

Instead they whiffed on Fultz and gave up a ton of assets to make a bunch of trades that didn’t really work.

Ironically, they stuck with an overmatched Brett Brown throughout it all.

Sorry, but winning 50 games with that roster is not an achievement.

Lastly, the process worked. It netted them 2 young stars and an obscene amount of assets to build around them. They just squandered it.

The NBA stepped in and made the Sixers fire Hinkie and hire old man Colangelo which led to Burner Bitch Colangelo. Just a mess from that point.

 

[ericd7633]

When do you stop trusting the process?

The process stopped when we fired Hinkie.

2017 draft: Fultz
2018 draft: Smith, Shamet(traded)
2019 draft: Thybulle(who I don't love)

 

[bksballer89]

Honestly that was the problem.

When they fired Hinkie and hired Colangelo. Had they “trusted the process”, things would have gone a lot better.

Colangelo was predictably bad. He made a ton of short sighted moves. They should have been thinking big. Building culture and using the cap space to sign another star.

Instead they whiffed on Fultz and gave up a ton of assets to make a bunch of trades that didn’t really work.

Ironically, they stuck with an overmatched Brett Brown throughout it all.

Sorry, but winning 50 games with that roster is not an achievement.

Lastly, the process worked. It netted them 2 young stars and an obscene amount of assets to build around them. They just squandered it.

This year felt like the year for them to at least make the east conference finals. Almost everyone had them had the 2nd best in the east in preseason. It was conference finals or bust imo

 

[tlance]

Hearing the announcers gush about Kemba Walker was pretty interesting last night.

Obviously Kyrie is a the superior basketball player.

But the Celtics as a team are >>>>>>>> better for having Kemba instead of Kyrie.

Can’t underestimate the importance of leadership and culture.

That is also 1 thing severely lacking in Philly.

 

[Iggloo]

When do you stop trusting the process?

The process failed. Sadly, it has to be admitted. The reason I say sad is because the opportunities were there, and they just drafted poorly. If they had drafted Porzingis over Okafor, or Tatum over Fultz--totally different situation in Philly right now. Hinkie understood all along that you can never nail all the picks, you just have to get a lot and nail some. But he got fired and the team's overall percentage on hitting the process-era lottery picks was simply too low.