100 games in give me your playoff predictions

[molsaniceman]

I already acknowledged last years Blue Jays, who went and got Price and Tulo. I also stated that I used the word "usually" and not "always". Most teams are out looking for a reliever or one more bat. With the advent of the wild card (and now the 2nd wild card) fewer teams are sellers in-season, and there's just not as many blockbuster deals. Even when big names move, they don't always have the huge impact people expect them to have.

I'm not saying trade deadline guys NEVER EVER impact a race, I'm just saying it's not the normal order of business for a big trade to suddenly change the course of a season. The 2015 Blue Jays happen from time to time, I just don't see that as a normal thing.

2015 royals got Cueto + zobrist
2014 giants got Peavy
2013 red sox got peavy
2012 giants got Pence

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I'm a wordy motherfucker.

I just browsed through the deadline deals through 2012 when the 2nd wild card was introduced. Some big names changing hands each year.

Not all deadline deals are big-impact, but I think more often than not, some team pulls a game changer each season.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

2015 royals got Cueto + zobrist
2014 giants got Peavy
2013 red sox got peavy
2012 giants got Pence

2014 Tigers got Price

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

In 2008, Sabathia single-handedly dragged the fuck-ball Brewers into the post season.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

the fuck-ball Brewers

Hahaha. I just now noticed that @whiskey is a Brewers fan.

I didn't call them the fuck-ball Brewers in an attempt to piss you off. I just think they're the fuck-ball Brewers.

 

[molsaniceman]

2014 Tigers got Price

but they didnt win the WS

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

but they didnt win the WS

I did not know that was the criteria. I was looking for "blockbuster" deals where a big name moved.

The playoffs are a crapshoot. Once you're in, anything can happen. I'd even say that the best team in a given year usually doesn't win the World Series.

 

[whiskey]

2015 royals got Cueto + zobrist
2014 giants got Peavy
2013 red sox got peavy
2012 giants got Pence

When the '15 Royals traded for Zobrist and Cueto, they were already 9 games up in the division. Barring an epic collapse, they were going to win the division anyways. I know Cueto was good for the Royals, but I thought that trade was questionable. They gave up a lot to get him, and they already had that division LOCKED.

 

[whiskey]

In 2008, Sabathia single-handedly dragged the fuck-ball Brewers into the post season.

Sabathia should have been the NL Cy Young in 2008. I think he had like 8 complete games and 3 or 4 shutouts and 11 wins in like 15 starts.

 

[molsaniceman]

I did not know that was the criteria. I was looking for "blockbuster" deals where a big name moved.

The playoffs are a crapshoot. Once you're in, anything can happen. I'd even say that the best team in a given year usually doesn't win the World Series.

dont disagree but i had used the WS

Big names get traded when they will be FA Not many available this year

 

[whiskey]

dont disagree but i had used the WS

Big names get traded when they will be FA Not many available this year

Lucroy will be traded in the next few days. Brewers GM is probably holding onto him a bit too long trying to get more than he's worth. Maybe he'll get lucky and get a haul for him. Not a lot of .850 OPS catchers out there that are available right now.

 

[molsaniceman]

When the '15 Royals traded for Zobrist and Cueto, they were already 9 games up in the division. Barring an epic collapse, they were going to win the division anyways. I know Cueto was good for the Royals, but I thought that trade was questionable. They gave up a lot to get him, and they already had that division LOCKED.

So u werent watching in 2011 when 2 teams with 11 game lead on 8/31 didnt make the playoffs and i dont think royals win it all without cueto and zobrist

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Sabathia should have been the NL Cy Young in 2008. I think he had like 8 complete games and 3 or 4 shutouts and 11 wins in like 15 starts.

No doubt. Plus, the last three starts of the season were all done on three-days rest. That guy's a bad ass.

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[Fountain City Blues]

When the '15 Royals traded for Zobrist and Cueto, they were already 9 games up in the division. Barring an epic collapse, they were going to win the division anyways. I know Cueto was good for the Royals, but I thought that trade was questionable. They gave up a lot to get him, and they already had that division LOCKED.

I really did not think much of Finnegan or Lamb as pitchers and especially thought Finnegan would be a dumpsterfire of a pitcher (I don't think the Royals were as enamored with him as many outside the organization) which he has been so far in Cincinnati. Giving up Manaea and Reed generate much more handwringing on my part however.

 

[whiskey]

So u werent watching in 2011 when 2 teams with 11 game lead on 8/31 didnt make the playoffs and i dont think royals win it all without cueto and zobrist

Maybe, maybe not. Cueto was great in the post season. Also the Mets rolled over in the WS. I think they had a lead in every single game, IIRC.

I don't know what to say about 2 teams blowing 11 game leads with a month to go. I think that's happened like 5 times ever in like 115+ years.

 

[molsaniceman]

Maybe, maybe not. Cueto was great in the post season. Also the Mets rolled over in the WS. I think they had a lead in every single game, IIRC.

I don't know what to say about 2 teams blowing 11 game leads with a month to go. I think that's happened like 5 times ever in like 115+ years.

actually it was a 1st

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I really did not think much of Finnegan or Lamb as pitchers and especially thought Finnegan would be a dumpsterfire of a pitcher (I don't think the Royals were as enamored with him as many outside the organization) which he has been so far in Cincinnati. Giving up Manaea and Reed generate much more handwringing on my part however.

Who cares what they gave up when they got a banner in return.

 

[whiskey]

I really did not think much of Finnegan or Lamb as pitchers and especially thought Finnegan would be a dumpsterfire of a pitcher (I don't think the Royals were as enamored with him as many outside the organization) which he has been so far in Cincinnati. Giving up Manaea and Reed generate much more handwringing on my part however.

THat's alright, you guys got LoCain and A. Escobar for a 1 1/2 year rental of Zach Greinke and fucking Yuniesky Betancourt. Watching Yuni B play SS for a whole season was worse than getting 27 root canals.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Giving away Manaea in particular I am not thrilled about. I was pretty high on him if he could stay healthy. Felt they could've done a smaller move and gotten most of Zobrist's production anyways.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Who cares what they gave up when they got a banner in return.

it is possible to overpay in trades and win the WS. The Cueto trade is plenty defensible right now. Everything is rosy when it comes up rings, but I am not too big a fan of Dayton Moore going forward. His offseason this year is an unmitigated disaster.