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ericd7633 · Jan 27, 2020

Badger fans complaining on Twitter that it was a moving screen. Lol. Dumbasses.

rmilia1 · Jan 28, 2020

ericd7633 said:
Badger fans complaining on Twitter that it was a moving screen. Lol. Dumbasses.

Id move too if a dude grabbed my onions

PnkPanther · Jan 28, 2020

PnkPanther · Jan 28, 2020

Sounds like badgers Kobe King wants out

rmilia1 · Jan 28, 2020

Im still trying to figure out NET.

Iowa just won 5 straight ( 5-0 in Q1/2) and they litetally only moved up 6 spots in that span . I cant imagine there are 20 teams with more than 6 Q1 wins and 9 Q1/2 wins

Yet a team like Arizona is top 10 in NET.

Is mov that big a factor? Maybe @ericd7633 xan help a brother out here?

ericd7633 · Jan 28, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Im still trying to figure out NET.

Iowa just won 5 straight ( 5-0 in Q1/2) and they litetally only moved up 6 spots in that span . I cant imagine there are 20 teams with more than 6 Q1 wins and 9 Q1/2 wins

Yet a team like Arizona is top 10 in NET.

Is mov that big a factor? Maybe @ericd7633 xan help a brother out here?

There just isn't as much of a reward for winning games at home, despite the competition being tough. It doesn't really help your adjusted winning %, as it's simply staying status quo. The TVI score is essentially what the old RPI used to be, if I'm trying to understand it correctly. Iowa's RPI is currently at 40 mostly due to the OOC SoS, and their OOC performance in general. It wasn't a bad OOC by any means, but the wins they have against Cuse, ISU, and Texas Tech are all much more highly rated in the NET than RPI. And then that's where efficiency comes into play. Iowa's not great defensively, but overall still sit at 14th in KenPom.

Overall the thing I like about the NET is that it's a ranking system, but your ranking overall won't determine whether you make the tournament or your seeding. For example the Gophers finished last year at 61 in the NET and NC State finished 33rd. Gophers made it, NC State didn't.

As for Zona, they have great metrics. But based on how the selection committee seeded last year, that alone won't align with where you'll be seeded. Seton Hall was 60th in KenPom and Texas was around 30th entering and didn't make it. Zona is looking at a 5/6 seed if it started today IMO.

ericd7633 · Jan 28, 2020

I don't think it's as simplistic as this:

RPI - 40
KenPom - 14
Avg = 27.

Winning % t40th
Scoring margin t50th
Adj winning % really no way to quantify, but Iowa does have road wins at ISU, at Cuse on neutral court wins over TTU and Cincy, along with winning at NW. That 5-4 record road/neutral is great considering the competition level.

My guess is Iowa is a little higher in TVI than the RPI(meaning like 34th), which would lower the first score some. The first two are weighted more than the other 3 are. @rmilia1

PnkPanther · Jan 28, 2020

rmilia1 · Jan 28, 2020

ericd7633 said:
There just isn't as much of a reward for winning games at home, despite the competition being tough. It doesn't really help your adjusted winning %, as it's simply staying status quo. The TVI score is essentially what the old RPI used to be, if I'm trying to understand it correctly. Iowa's RPI is currently at 40 mostly due to the OOC SoS, and their OOC performance in general. It wasn't a bad OOC by any means, but the wins they have against Cuse, ISU, and Texas Tech are all much more highly rated in the NET than RPI. And then that's where efficiency comes into play. Iowa's not great defensively, but overall still sit at 14th in KenPom.

Overall the thing I like about the NET is that it's a ranking system, but your ranking overall won't determine whether you make the tournament or your seeding. For example the Gophers finished last year at 61 in the NET and NC State finished 33rd. Gophers made it, NC State didn't.

As for Zona, they have great metrics. But based on how the selection committee seeded last year, that alone won't align with where you'll be seeded. Seton Hall was 60th in KenPom and Texas was around 30th entering and didn't make it. Zona is looking at a 5/6 seed if it started today IMO.

Thanks! Its just ineteresting to me to see team with only 3/4 Q1/2 wins and 0-2 road or neutral wins being ranked ahead of Iowa. Purely based on wins and losses i wouldnt think there are even 10 teams with a better combo of quality and quantity than Iowa. Its an intriguing system

fredsdeadfriend · Jan 28, 2020

ericd7633 said:
There just isn't as much of a reward for winning games at home, despite the competition being tough. It doesn't really help your adjusted winning %, as it's simply staying status quo. The TVI score is essentially what the old RPI used to be, if I'm trying to understand it correctly. Iowa's RPI is currently at 40 mostly due to the OOC SoS, and their OOC performance in general. It wasn't a bad OOC by any means, but the wins they have against Cuse, ISU, and Texas Tech are all much more highly rated in the NET than RPI. And then that's where efficiency comes into play. Iowa's not great defensively, but overall still sit at 14th in KenPom.

Overall the thing I like about the NET is that it's a ranking system, but your ranking overall won't determine whether you make the tournament or your seeding. For example the Gophers finished last year at 61 in the NET and NC State finished 33rd. Gophers made it, NC State didn't.

As for Zona, they have great metrics. But based on how the selection committee seeded last year, that alone won't align with where you'll be seeded. Seton Hall was 60th in KenPom and Texas was around 30th entering and didn't make it. Zona is looking at a 5/6 seed if it started today IMO.

They took the "useful" option away again? Well, I was going to rate this as useful.

ericd7633 · Jan 28, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Thanks! Its just ineteresting to me to see team with only 3/4 Q1/2 wins and 0-2 road or neutral wins being ranked ahead of Iowa. Purely based on wins and losses i wouldnt think there are even 10 teams with a better combo of quality and quantity than Iowa. Its an intriguing system

The thing helping Zona is an SoS of 4 which helps their TVI(despite not having great wins) and they are 12 in KenPom(which I'm using at efficiency). Plus they are 8th in MOV and don't really have any blowout losses, which helps efficiency and the MOV aspect(even though it's capped at 10).

mr.hockey4242 · Jan 28, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Im still trying to figure out NET.

Iowa just won 5 straight ( 5-0 in Q1/2) and they litetally only moved up 6 spots in that span . I cant imagine there are 20 teams with more than 6 Q1 wins and 9 Q1/2 wins

Yet a team like Arizona is top 10 in NET.

Is mov that big a factor? Maybe @ericd7633 xan help a brother out here?

It’s pretty random still it appears

The two obvious things are

1. Win big whenever possible
2. Play well on road by either winning road games or losing close ones to really high NET teams.

rmilia1 · Jan 28, 2020

mr.hockey4242 said:
It’s pretty random still it appears

The two obvious things are

1. Win big whenever possible
2. Play well on road by either winning road games or losing close ones to really high NET teams.

Zona hasnt won a road game all year. That was part of my confusion lol

jontaejones · Jan 28, 2020

rmilia1 said:
Im still trying to figure out NET.

Iowa just won 5 straight ( 5-0 in Q1/2) and they litetally only moved up 6 spots in that span . I cant imagine there are 20 teams with more than 6 Q1 wins and 9 Q1/2 wins

Yet a team like Arizona is top 10 in NET.

Is mov that big a factor? Maybe @ericd7633 xan help a brother out here?

They have a bad loss it seems and that hurts them.

There's always an anomaly whenever you use one of the rating systems and Arizona is it for the NET.

rmilia1 · Jan 28, 2020

jontaejones said:
They have a bad loss it seems and that hurts them.

There's always an anomaly whenever you use one of the rating systems and Arizona is it for the NET.

Or Stanford, or Colorado, or Ohio St lol but yes anomalies occur

mr.hockey4242 · Jan 29, 2020

King gone

ericd7633 · Jan 29, 2020

Davison suspended.

Damnit, you just hate to see it.

rmilia1 · Jan 29, 2020

ericd7633 said:
Davison suspended.

Damnit, you just hate to see it.

Thats nuts .... so to speak

PnkPanther · Jan 30, 2020

ericd7633 said:
Davison suspended.

Damnit, you just hate to see it.

Couldn't have happened to nicer guy.

The badger fan base I've seen online seem split, some aren't surprised and feel it's on Brad. Others think it's BS, and I saw one thinking it was a conspiracy by new B1G commish against Wi

mr.hockey4242 · Jan 30, 2020

PnkPanther said:
Couldn't have happened to nicer guy.

The badger fan base I've seen online seem split, some aren't surprised and feel it's on Brad. Others think it's BS, and I saw one thinking it was a conspiracy by new B1G commish against Wi

Lol if it was conspiracy Warren woulda made it two games and he misses game vs Gophs too

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