"All In" a quick sell out

futballiscool · Oct 20, 2018

wildturkey said:
That's certainly interesting and something to keep an eye on. If it does come to pass, I just hope its not on Axs. I don't get that channel and every provider in my area has it on its highest tier. Not paying a premium just for that one channel to watch one show

I agree on AXS unless this is part of a plan that makes them a more mainstream network.

If you take the report at face value Jim Ross in administrative role gives any wrestling start up instant credibility, the Bullet club is pure internet buzz, and most importantly the Khan family has unlimited financial resources and NFL level TV connections.

I'm not sure how much is true but this report coming a few weeks after JR predicted a new wrestling company means something is up

wildturkey · Oct 20, 2018

futballiscool said:
I agree on AXS unless this is part of a plan that makes them a more mainstream network.

If you take the report at face value Jim Ross in administrative role gives any wrestling start up instant credibility, the Bullet club is pure internet buzz, and most importantly the Khan family has unlimited financial resources and NFL level TV connections.

I'm not sure how much is true but this report coming a few weeks after JR predicted a new wrestling company means something is up

That and Nick Jackson wearing Jags gear for seemingly no reason for the last couple of weeks on Being The Elite. Like why would a Cali boy like the fucking Jaguars?

Ewa PGH Fan · Oct 22, 2018

futballiscool said:
I agree on AXS unless this is part of a plan that makes them a more mainstream network.

If you take the report at face value Jim Ross in administrative role gives any wrestling start up instant credibility, the Bullet club is pure internet buzz, and most importantly the Khan family has unlimited financial resources and NFL level TV connections.

I'm not sure how much is true but this report coming a few weeks after JR predicted a new wrestling company means something is up

The Khan's own the Jags,one of the lowest attendance NFL franchises and one always being rumored to be moving. That doean't give me any confidence they would run a wrestling company any better than they do their NFL team. Of course they could always get the right people to run it for them and keep their hands off but would they???????

futballiscool · Oct 22, 2018

Ewa PGH Fan said:
The Khan's own the Jags,one of the lowest attendance NFL franchises and one always being rumored to be moving. That doean't give me any confidence they would run a wrestling company any better than they do their NFL team. Of course they could always get the right people to run it for them and keep their hands off but would they???????

It's tough for a small market team in Florida to draw big crowds, especially without a franchise QB.

They were in the AFC championship game last year and he has Coughlin running the front office so overall I'd say Shahid Kahn has been a good, competent NFL owner.

It's also worth noting he's from humble middle class roots. This is obviously an intelligent man who knows how to run a business.

Of course there are a bunch of questions about the report and one is which member of the Khan family is most involved. It'd be interesting if this is Tony's first major business move.

Ewa PGH Fan · Oct 22, 2018

futballiscool said:
It's tough for a small market team in Florida to draw big crowds, especially without a franchise QB.

They were in the AFC championship game last year and he has Coughlin running the front office so overall I'd say Shahid Kahn has been a good, competent NFL owner.

It's also worth noting he's from humble middle class roots. This is obviously an intelligent man who knows how to run a business.

Of course there are a bunch of questions about the report and one is which member of the Khan family is most involved. It'd be interesting if this is Tony's first major business move.

Hiring Coughlin was definitely a good move. Good and competent owner is open to debate but not here and now.

My main problem with the report is that PWInsider.com has not reported it and that means they have not been able to substantiate that report. IMO that just makes it a rumor so far. Since it's probably in the preliminary stages at this point that's not surprising. Also, smart business men don't let things get out before they're ready to go forward. Another problem is that the top wrestling talent associated with the report are not free agents. Although some maybe soon. Cody being the NWA champ (I haven't read the results of NWA 70 yet) could also complicate his involvement as I don't know what deal he signed with NWA, if any.

I'm certain we'll hear about it when /if they sign a TV deal and/or start signing talent to a new promotion. Until then, I always take these kind of reports with a huge grain of salt. Talk is cheap and other wrong, when actions start then we have something to hang our hats on.

futballiscool · Oct 22, 2018

Ewa PGH Fan said:
Hiring Coughlin was definitely a good move. Good and competent owner is open to debate but not here and now.

My main problem with the report is that PWInsider.com has not reported it and that means they have not been able to substantiate that report. IMO that just makes it a rumor so far. Since it's probably in the preliminary stages at this point that's not surprising. Also, smart business men don't let things get out before they're ready to go forward. Another problem is that the top wrestling talent associated with the report are not free agents. Although some maybe soon. Cody being the NWA champ (I haven't read the results of NWA 70 yet) could also complicate his involvement as I don't know what deal he signed with NWA, if any.

I'm certain we'll hear about it when /if they sign a TV deal and/or start signing talent to a new promotion. Until then, I always take these kind of reports with a huge grain of salt. Talk is cheap and other wrong, when actions start then we have something to hang our hats on.

I agree this should still be filed in the rumor stage but my link is from Jason Powell's site and not the original report. He used to work at PWtorch and is a recurring guest on Jim Ross's podcast so he has legitimate connections in the wrestling business. While he doesn't break stories as often as Johnson or Meltzer I definitely don't think he'd make this up out of thin air.

He said there's been rumors about this for a while and he reached out to Tony Khan on 9/12 but got no response.

The AXS TV part from the other report seems to be incorrect and it's hard to say what stage there at with this but something is in the works... will it materialize? Not sure

wildturkey · Nov 21, 2018

There's some heavy smoke to the rumors of Khan/Elite partnership for a new promotion. Check out these new trademark filings that are registered to an address that is the same as the Jaguars and the uses a law firm with ties to the Khan Family

Trademarks411.com | Trademark Search Online

All Elite Wrestling

futballiscool · Nov 21, 2018

Exclusive: AJ Styles Still Negotiating With WWE, Looking For Reduced Schedule | Fightful Wrestling

Think of the potential leverage wrestlers have now going into these negotiations.

AJ vs Omega at Double or Nothing might still be a pipe dream but it works for me.

futballiscool · Nov 21, 2018

futballiscool · Nov 22, 2018

'All Elite Wrestling' -- Chris Jericho and Jim Ross Involvement Blown Out of Proportion

The report from Satin is that Cody and the Bucks are spearheading this and JR/Jericho are just in negotiations for talent roles
Jericho and JR share an agent so he might be the person providing clarification on their behalf. Probably not true, just throwing that out there as a guess.

I'll go full blown mark and list my top 5 realistic on air talent options for a hypothetical wrestling company that might not even have a TV contract yet...

1. Pac. This one's obvious. One of the best wrestlers in the world but he decided to go to dragon gate instead of New Japan/ROH/Impact. Maybe he's bidding his time until this launches

2. AJ Styles. If the reports are true that he's looking for less dates and more family time then a Florida based promotion built on 1 TV show a week is perfect for him if the money's right. He's from Georgia and is obviously close with the Elite. If they do sign a WWE main eventer AJ makes the most sense.

3. Big E. No clue on his contract status and I'm sure he's making a killing on merchandise but I think he has the same upside as the Shield guys, Drew McIntyre et al but isn't utilized that way. Great promos and can go in the ring. Still has 10 years of his prime left if he stays healthy. If the Khans are spending real money on this Big E is the WWE mid carder they should hand a blank check too.

4. Mauro Ranallo. Arguably the best play by play man since AE Jim Ross but is working NXT. He has obvious ties to the elite/Japan.

5. Vega/Almas. Kind of shocked they've been booked as a mid card act. So talented.

Judge Fudge · Nov 22, 2018

futballiscool said:
'All Elite Wrestling' -- Chris Jericho and Jim Ross Involvement Blown Out of Proportion

The report from Satin is that Cody and the Bucks are spearheading this and JR/Jericho are just in negotiations for talent roles
Jericho and JR share an agent so he might be the person providing clarification on their behalf. Probably not true, just throwing that out there as a guess.

I'll go full blown mark and list my top 5 realistic on air talent options for a hypothetical wrestling company that might not even have a TV contract yet...

1. Pac. This one's obvious. One of the best wrestlers in the world but he decided to go to dragon gate instead of New Japan/ROH/Impact. Maybe he's bidding his time until this launches

2. AJ Styles. If the reports are true that he's looking for less dates and more family time then a Florida based promotion built on 1 TV show a week is perfect for him if the money's right. He's from Georgia and is obviously close with the Elite. If they do sign a WWE main eventer AJ makes the most sense.

3. Big E. No clue on his contract status and I'm sure he's making a killing on merchandise but I think he has the same upside as the Shield guys, Drew McIntyre et al but isn't utilized that way. Great promos and can go in the ring. Still has 10 years of his prime left if he stays healthy. If the Khans are spending real money on this Big E is the WWE mid carder they should hand a blank check too.

4. Mauro Ranallo. Arguably the best play by play man since AE Jim Ross but is working NXT. He has obvious ties to the elite/Japan.

5. Vega/Almas. Kind of shocked they've been booked as a mid card act. So talented.

Id also look for talent that has not been discovered yet.

Case in point. The heel in the first match at all in.

Conti from NXT might be a good pickup if they are interested in a female division.

Keep a eye on Velveteen Dream.

If he is smart, he realize that the "phone call" is not happening soon. It might be smart to jump ship.

Duffman · Nov 23, 2018

I think the stupidest thing a lot of wrestlers could do is mortgage their future for a startup promotion no matter how much money is thrown into it. Hell Billy Corgan has a shit ton of money and no one still takes the NWA seriously.

For people like Cody, Young Bucks, Omega, etc who only have a few years left in the business it wouldn't hurt to play around with this because if it fails it's not like they are looking for anything else but for young people inside WWE to leave a proven commodity in WWE/NXT and risk their future for some company that likely wont even be around in 5 years is asinine.

futballiscool · Nov 23, 2018

Duffman said:
I think the stupidest thing a lot of wrestlers could do is mortgage their future for a startup promotion no matter how much money is thrown into it. Hell Billy Corgan has a shit ton of money and no one still takes the NWA seriously.

For people like Cody, Young Bucks, Omega, etc who only have a few years left in the business it wouldn't hurt to play around with this because if it fails it's not like they are looking for anything else but for young people inside WWE to leave a proven commodity in WWE/NXT and risk their future for some company that likely wont even be around in 5 years is asinine.

Billy Corgan has a shit ton of money compared to people like us. The Khan family has an estimated net worth of 7 billion dollars. It'd be like comparing a highly paid wrestler to the McMahons in terms of wealth. There's rich and then there's filthy rich.

Also the Young Bucks and Cody are all in their late 20s/early 30s . They all have a lot more than a few years left.

I don't disagree that it's probably in the best interest for most of the roster to stay with the WWE even if this new company does get a TV deal and offers them a competitive contract. The thing is for this to work they won't need a mass exodus of WWE talent. It would just take a couple main eventers for star powers and some midcarders looking for more money and a better role.

Duffman · Nov 23, 2018

futballiscool said:
Billy Corgan has a shit ton of money compared to people like us. The Khan family has an estimated net worth of 7 billion dollars. It'd be like comparing a highly paid wrestler to the McMahons in terms of wealth. There's rich and then there's filthy rich.

Also the Young Bucks and Cody are all in their late 20s/early 30s . They all have a lot more than a few years left.

I don't disagree that it's probably in the best interest for most of the roster to stay with the WWE even if this new company does get a TV deal and offers them a competitive contract. The thing is for this to work they won't need a mass exodus of WWE talent. It would just take a couple main eventers for star powers and some midcarders looking for more money and a better role.

Unless they have a major tv deal lined up right away I don’t see the point. Unless Khan is just doing it for fun and doesn’t care about how much return he gets on their investment it seems like a waste.

Also the Bucks themselves have said they want to spend more time with their families and don’t plan on doing this for much longer. I can see them being retired in 3-5 years.

futballiscool · Nov 23, 2018

Duffman said:
Unless they have a major tv deal lined up right away I don’t see the point. Unless Khan is just doing it for fun and doesn’t care about how much return he gets on their investment it seems like a waste.

Also the Bucks themselves have said they want to spend more time with their families and don’t plan on doing this for much longer. I can see them being retired in 3-5 years.

I agree a TV deal is a necessity. I disagree with the idea it's a waste of Khan's money. The rights for live programming have skyrocketed the past few years. This is the perfect time for someone to invest in a major wrestling company.

I suppose the Bucks might want to retire soon but at 29 and 33 their young for wrestlers. Age wise they can wrestle another 10 years and still get out younger than most wrestlers do.

Judge Fudge · Nov 23, 2018

Duffman said:
Unless they have a major tv deal lined up right away I don’t see the point. Unless Khan is just doing it for fun and doesn’t care about how much return he gets on their investment it seems like a waste.

Also the Bucks themselves have said they want to spend more time with their families and don’t plan on doing this for much longer. I can see them being retired in 3-5 years.

futballiscool said:
I agree a TV deal is a necessity. I disagree with the idea it's a waste of Khan's money. The rights for live programming have skyrocketed the past few years. This is the perfect time for someone to invest in a major wrestling company.

I suppose the Bucks might want to retire soon but at 29 and 33 their young for wrestlers. Age wise they can wrestle another 10 years and still get out younger than most wrestlers do.

If i where doing this. I would not go small for TV.

One of the many reasons I think WWE is so successful is the fact that they can reach a far audience in the US and Canada because everyone with cable has USA network and Sportsnet 360.

These are not premium channels.

If i were them. Talk to ABC because if you get ESPN then chances are good that are you will get TSN in Canada

futballiscool · Nov 23, 2018

I agree, ESPN, ESPN2 etc would be the ideal broadcasting partner if they had any interest in wrestling on their network. Any cable network on a basic tier would work but the cross promotion with a live sports network would be best.

wazzu31 · Nov 24, 2018

The Kahn’s piss on Ted Turner’s wealth but the son seems to like wrestling so most likely wouldn’t have higher ups or wrestlers fudge up like WCW did when they took over wrestling for their 2 year window. More legit competition (no offense to ROH etc) for WWE especially with Vince concentrating on the XFL can’t hurt fans.

futballiscool · Nov 24, 2018

wazzu31 said:
The Kahn’s piss on Ted Turner’s wealth but the son seems to like wrestling so most likely wouldn’t have higher ups or wrestlers fudge up like WCW did when they took over wrestling for their 2 year window. More legit competition (no offense to ROH etc) for WWE especially with Vince concentrating on the XFL can’t hurt fans.

Apparently Khan isn't just a casual fan either. According to Meltzer he's been an Observer subscriber since he was a teenager and used to send in live houseshow results so this guy is an absolute diehard (assuming Meltzer is on the level).

Also not sure of their track record but Wrestletalk is reporting 2 WWE stars have already agreed to jump ship in Aprl at the latest.

wazzu31 · Nov 25, 2018

futballiscool said:
Apparently Khan isn't just a casual fan either. According to Meltzer he's been an Observer subscriber since he was a teenager and used to send in live houseshow results so this guy is an absolute diehard (assuming Meltzer is on the level).

Also not sure of their track record but Wrestletalk is reporting 2 WWE stars have already agreed to jump ship in Aprl at the latest.

I obviously don’t know the back story of the son but a wrestling fan who has blank check like never been seen before in the business can’t really hurt it. The only thing that would concern me is the tv contract but eventually someone in the world of any sport with hook up with Netflix or Amazon or any of the other steaming devices. Putting a show on at 11 pm or have it steaming where you can watch it at anytime convenient? Won’t he as much money as WWE gets but a newbie with cash to burn has the ability to choose exposure over money on a start up which is business 101.

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