politics thread

ehb5 said:

So ignoring the fact we have evidence that theres more to it than "they just don't care enough and value the right things"...

Why do YOU think they don't value education and that their culture is not as good? What is the cause of that?

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What more is there? Be specific.

I think the culture is not as good because they do not value education or the law. The cause of that goes back to the family.

Here is a crazy idea. Have fewer children outside of marriage. Stop committing crime. Stop calling people Uncle Tom because they don’t fit a certain level of “blackness” or they do not think like you. Stop beating on the inner city kids that do value education. Stay away from drugs. None of these things have to do with race. Every one of these things have to do with choice.

Now the funny thing, society tries to help those inner city kids that want to value education by taking the high criminal population of inner city criminals, then society is accused of targeting black men and taking away their fathers. What a vicious cycle that has been created.

gkekoa said:

2- come on Sty. You can do better. What does one have to do to be racist? What ads? I do not know this case apparently. I have no problem with calling people animals or thugs. After conviction is rather big.

People can be wrongly convicted. It is a rarity.

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1. There's really no point in doing better, what I wrote is not difficult to understand. I don't think that there's anything more specific than subscribing to and supporting a system of racism. I think the problem has been a desire to ask for a different answer while hoping that the new one doesn't also take this into deeper waters where responders have to prove their bonafides or be drowned.To be honest, I've played this game on more simplistic grounds, dumbed down my responses and now feel the desire to no longer do that.

2. Trump took out full page ads in response to the story coming out (easy goggle search) They ran before the trial began, during the trial and during the part that you want to point to, after conviction.

3. People are human beings whether you're able to see that or not is something that you have to wrestle with since you've already stated that you are a Christian believer in God. Calling that same God's creations animals in a sub-human manner says to me that either your God is horribly flawed or you are.

1- Not really. Breathing incorrectly these days is considered racist. If you don’t want to be a part of the conversation, don’t.

2- they were found not guilty, correct?


3- Yes...people are human beings. They are part of the animal kingdom. That being said, sometimes our actions more resemble animals than people.

Sharkinva said:

Actually the laws and how they are applied TODAY have everything to do with inequality. I know you are loath to admit it, but non whites are treated differently in our legal system than whites are. Why should I have ultimate faith in a legal system that more often than not decides my guilt on sight? For years republicans have been afraid the 2nd amendment would be some how changed or limited. I feel the same way about the 14th.. especially with a "conservative" supreme court.

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but you have faith in the doj/.fbi along with the cia ?

again shark DA's , judges , mayors and sherriffs are elected at the local level . the place to start is there

local and state reps and senators are also elected

now if people keep electing people that keep you down or are racist then whose fault is it ? if you dont vote then you are screwing yourself and have no one to blame but the man or woman in the mirror

if you keep voting for people who screw you , who is to blame ?

if you vote for corruption and overlook the obvious corruption then who is to blame ?

you get govt you elect or allow people to elect . if you vote for shit , you get shit . if you dont vote then you are stuck with shit

now who have minorities voted for for 60 to 70 years ? at a 94 % clip ? now that doesnt mean go vote republican soley but try a different party

skinsdad62 said:

but you have faith in the doj/.fbi along with the cia ?

again shark DA's , judges , mayors and sherriffs are elected at the local level . the place to start is there

local and state reps and senators are also elected

now if people keep electing people that keep you down or are racist then whose fault is it ? if you dont vote then you are screwing yourself and have no one to blame but the man or woman in the mirror

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I have more faith in a group of people than I do in a sole individual. Especially when I suspect that individual is more concerned with his well being than that of the group or country as a whole.

I also dont believe that either party is wholely racist, but I will point out that for the majority of this country's existence, it has been run by one racial group. And Republican or Democrat, racism has persisted. So that leads me to think its not about the party, but the people or more specifically the types of people that maintain power. I will also point out that the more racist element had begun to fade away... right until they felt threatened by the reality of a black president, things like gay rights and what could be seen as a cultural shift in America. As has been so eloquently demonstrated, even when 94% of the African American vote goes against a possible racist, he still got elected. I was one of the 6% and I do regret my poor choice because my soul would feel better at the moment had I voted for Gumby. You say try a different party, guess what.. Im going to do something i have never done before and I am urging my sons to do the same.. vote blue down the ticket. Because the Republican party has lost its way And I dont see it coming back any time soon.

gkekoa said:

What more is there? Be specific.

I think the culture is not as good because they do not value education or the law. The cause of that goes back to the family.

Here is a crazy idea. Have fewer children outside of marriage. Stop committing crime. Stop calling people Uncle Tom because they don’t fit a certain level of “blackness” or they do not think like you. Stop beating on the inner city kids that do value education. Stay away from drugs. None of these things have to do with race. Every one of these things have to do with choice.

Now the funny thing, society tries to help those inner city kids that want to value education by taking the high criminal population of inner city criminals, then society is accused of targeting black men and taking away their fathers. What a vicious cycle that has been created.

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I think shark has outlined that countless times at this point. Pretty much every where you turn white people just magically happen to be better off. So strange.

So why do you think they dont value education or the law? Why are their families inferior?

ehb5 said:

I think shark has outlined that countless times at this point. Pretty much every where you turn white people just magically happen to be better off. So strange.

So why do you think they dont value education or the law? Why are their families inferior?

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The cause? I would suggest self-gratification. Instead of doing the things that are less pleasurable, but more realistic, such as school or a lower paying legal job, many turn to sports, music, drugs, and crime for money, fame, and pleasure.

The families themselves are not inferior. The respect for the family unit is as evidenced by children born outside of marriage, a key factor in future success.

gkekoa said:

The cause? I would suggest self-gratification. Instead of doing the things that are less pleasurable, but more realistic, such as school or a lower paying legal job, many turn to sports, music, drugs, and crime for money, fame, and pleasure.

The families themselves are not inferior. The respect for the family unit is as evidenced by children born outside of marriage, a key factor in future success.

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So why are they choosing to turn to those things instead of more responsible realistic things?

Why do they not have respect for the family unit?

ehb5 said:

So why are they choosing to turn to those things instead of more responsible realistic things?

Why do they not have respect for the family unit?

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Its obvious man, they are inferior, flawed and after 200+ years of trying to make them like fine christian men, the experiment has failed. Time to move on.

no one is inferior ok . any race has issues without a family unit being in tact or doing things that dontn help with poverty etc

skinsdad62 said:

no one is inferior ok . any race has issues without a family unit being in tact or doing things that dontn help with poverty etc

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Dude.. we recently had a President raised by a single mother.

One of the most brilliant brain surgeons in the nation was raised by a single mother.

Oh and they both just happen to be black.

A FAMILY UNIT is not just about two people being married. But it makes a damn good anecdotal proof of concept.

skinsdad62 said:

no one is inferior ok . any race has issues without a family unit being in tact or doing things that dontn help with poverty etc

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So why do they have issues with the family unit?

Sharkinva said:

Dude.. we recently had a President raised by a single mother.

One of the most brilliant brain surgeons in the nation was raised by a single mother.

Oh and they both just happen to be black.

A FAMILY UNIT is not just about two people being married. But it makes a damn good anecdotal proof of concept.

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now you can name 2 or more even where people have overcome the odds

the data holds that 72 % of people in poverty come from single parent home

i dont know the stats on crime but i bet that figure is high as well when it comes to single parent homes no matter what race

ehb5 said:

So why do they have issues with the family unit?

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all i can say is 7 out of ten blacks come from homes without both parents in the home or involved . samne with virtually any race

stable homes are essential for good outcomes . now you can pull out the 30% and say fuck it , it dont matter

skinsdad62 said:

all i can say is 7 out of ten blacks come from homes without both parents in the home or involved . samne with virtually any race

stable homes are essential for good outcomes . now you can pull out the 30% and say fuck it , it dont matter

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So why are 70%of the families like that?

skinsdad62 said:

now you can name 2 or more even where people have overcome the odds

the data holds that 72 % of people in poverty come from single parent home

i dont know the stats on crime but i bet that figure is high as well when it comes to single parent homes no matter what race

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Stevie Wonder
LL Cool J
Jill Scott
Ella Fitzgerald
Eddie Griffin
Bob Marley
Lena Horne
T.I.
Maya Angelou
Luther Vandross
Jackie Robinson
Malcolm X
Ice T
Lisa Bonet
Kanye West
Eddie Murphy
Martin Lawrence
Dennis Rodman
Samuel L. Jackson
Jamie Foxx

Now the real question should be, why is it in 2018, the best way out of poverty for a person of color still remain sports or entertainment??

skinsdad62 said:

all i can say is 7 out of ten blacks come from homes without both parents in the home or involved . samne with virtually any race

stable homes are essential for good outcomes . now you can pull out the 30% and say fuck it , it dont matter

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You do realize that 50% of marriages end in divorce. So the statistic of non latino whites growing up in nuclear families is a bullshits stat because its apples and oranges tracking children born in married households, and children growing up in nuclear families.

ehb5 said:

So why are they choosing to turn to those things instead of more responsible realistic things?

Why do they not have respect for the family unit?

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You tell me.

Again, you tell me.

gkekoa said:

1- Not really. Breathing incorrectly these days is considered racist. If you don’t want to be a part of the conversation, don’t.

2- they were found not guilty, correct?


3- Yes...people are human beings. They are part of the animal kingdom. That being said, sometimes our actions more resemble animals than people.

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1. Doesn't make sense

2. They were found GUILTY, spent time in prison and eventually exonerated by DNA. We're still waiting for that retraction from your boy.

3. No need to point out the classification, our actions rarely resemble that of animals, they are uniquely human.

Here's an overview

Central Park jogger case - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park_jogger_case


...and here's a follow up about your boy:

Opinion | Why Trump Doubled Down on the Central Park Five ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/opinion/why-trump-doubled-down...