Preparing for the Bruce and Dan Draft

[Stymietee]

Well guys, while everyone's posting their own mocks, and debating this player or that one, I thought that it might be interesting to take a look at the guys in our war room making those calls. I'm wonder just how confident you all are that Bruce and Dan ends up turning this draft into a total disaster or shocking us all with outstanding work?

 

[Sharkinva]

This should cover it no matter what happens...

the addition of Coke is optional of course.

 

[Sharkinva]

NOw IM going to say this.

Bruce and Dan have re-seized power at a perfect time. The team SHOULD be trending upwards, and there are only two possible ways I see them really screwing this up.

1. Trade Kirk and take a QB at #2 ( This assumes they deal him to the niners) It wont really matter which QB they take, and the only bail out of this move would be to hold onto the 17 in the deal and take the best RB on the board at 17, and then hope like hell they can duplicate what Dallas did last year in some fashion. And if the QB at #2 is Watson, there is no recovering even if the RB turns out to be Mixon, Fournette or Cook. IF we deal Kirk to draft Watson, we are screwt.

2. Not trade Kirk and draft a QB at 17, again this is a very bad idea irrespective of which QB they draft.. and becomes horrible if said named QB happens to be Watson.


If we avoid these two (and Watson all together) there really isnt a position that they could truly fuck up the draft with at 17 save a kicker or a punter. And I dont think even Bruce is that stupid... close mind you, but not there yet.

 

[BeaReylo]

This should cover it no matter what happens...

the addition of Coke is optional of course.

Perfect because this will be after the event:

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

so are coaching staff gruden tomsuls etc etc will not be in war room its just allen and snyder are coaches will be in bed???? are draft will be fine LIKE SM SAID SKINS HAVE GOOD SCOUTS allen just a yes or no guy this will be a gruden and scouts draft

 

[Stymietee]

so are coaching staff gruden tomsuls etc etc will not be in war room its just allen and snyder are coaches will be in bed???? are draft will be fine LIKE SM SAID SKINS HAVE GOOD SCOUTS allen just a yes or no guy this will be a gruden and scouts draft

I'm calling it the Bruce ans Dan Draft because as we all should know by now, the final say on all football matters, rests with these two.

However, to be fair, and not get into a small verbal skirmish over my thread title, I'm officially renaming it....

Preparing for the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder, Robert Rothman, Dwight Schar, Frederick Smith, Dennis Greene, Terry Bateman, Jay Gruden, Bill Callahan, Matt Cavanaugh, Ben Kotwica, Greg Manusky, Kevin Carberry, Torrian Gray, Chad Grimm, Ike Hilliard, Randy Jordan, Cannon Matthews, Bret Munsey, Kevin O'Connell, Chris O'Hara, Kirk Olivadotti, Wes Phillips, James Rowe, Jim Tomsula, Chad Englehart, Kavan Latham, Jake Sankal, Paul Kelly, Malcolm Blacken, Larry Michael, Tony Wylie, Jane Rodgers, Eric Schaffer, Scott Campbell, Doug Williams, Alex Santos, Jeff Scott, Richard Mann II, Darryl Franklin, Kyle Smith, Tim Gribble, Cole Spencer, David Whittington, Matt Evans, Jim Zeches, Brian Zeches, Larry Hess, Elliot Jermyn, Doug Quon, Anders Beutel, Scott Rotier, Pat Coleman, Mike Bracken, Mike Adams, Julian Hines, Zachary Kennedy, Jon Mathieson, Connor McGuire, Ann the executive secretary, Jeff the executive secretary, interns Wanda and Billy...Draft.

Ahhhhhhh......So much better after I ate that snickers bar!!





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[Darrell Green Fan]

I'm calling it the Bruce ans Dan Draft because as we all should know by now, the final say on all football matters, rests with these two.

However, to be fair, and not get into a small verbal skirmish over my thread title, I'm officially renaming it....

Preparing for the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder, Robert Rothman, Dwight Schar, Frederick Smith, Dennis Greene, Terry Bateman, Jay Gruden, Bill Callahan, Matt Cavanaugh, Ben Kotwica, Greg Manusky, Kevin Carberry, Torrian Gray, Chad Grimm, Ike Hilliard, Randy Jordan, Cannon Matthews, Bret Munsey, Kevin O'Connell, Chris O'Hara, Kirk Olivadotti, Wes Phillips, James Rowe, Jim Tomsula, Chad Englehart, Kavan Latham, Jake Sankal, Paul Kelly, Malcolm Blacken, Larry Michael, Tony Wylie, Jane Rodgers, Eric Schaffer, Scott Campbell, Doug Williams, Alex Santos, Jeff Scott, Richard Mann II, Darryl Franklin, Kyle Smith, Tim Gribble, Cole Spencer, David Whittington, Matt Evans, Jim Zeches, Brian Zeches, Larry Hess, Elliot Jermyn, Doug Quon, Anders Beutel, Scott Rotier, Pat Coleman, Mike Bracken, Mike Adams, Julian Hines, Zachary Kennedy, Jon Mathieson, Connor McGuire, Ann the executive secretary, Jeff the executive secretary, interns Wanda and Billy...Draft.

Ahhhhhhh......So much better after I ate that snickers bar!!





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I don't care if you did copy and paste, gave you an up vote for the effort.

 

[Stymietee]

I didn't and thanks!! To you sir...

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I'm calling it the Bruce ans Dan Draft because as we all should know by now, the final say on all football matters, rests with these two.

However, to be fair, and not get into a small verbal skirmish over my thread title, I'm officially renaming it....

Preparing for the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder, Robert Rothman, Dwight Schar, Frederick Smith, Dennis Greene, Terry Bateman, Jay Gruden, Bill Callahan, Matt Cavanaugh, Ben Kotwica, Greg Manusky, Kevin Carberry, Torrian Gray, Chad Grimm, Ike Hilliard, Randy Jordan, Cannon Matthews, Bret Munsey, Kevin O'Connell, Chris O'Hara, Kirk Olivadotti, Wes Phillips, James Rowe, Jim Tomsula, Chad Englehart, Kavan Latham, Jake Sankal, Paul Kelly, Malcolm Blacken, Larry Michael, Tony Wylie, Jane Rodgers, Eric Schaffer, Scott Campbell, Doug Williams, Alex Santos, Jeff Scott, Richard Mann II, Darryl Franklin, Kyle Smith, Tim Gribble, Cole Spencer, David Whittington, Matt Evans, Jim Zeches, Brian Zeches, Larry Hess, Elliot Jermyn, Doug Quon, Anders Beutel, Scott Rotier, Pat Coleman, Mike Bracken, Mike Adams, Julian Hines, Zachary Kennedy, Jon Mathieson, Connor McGuire, Ann the executive secretary, Jeff the executive secretary, interns Wanda and Billy...Draft.

Ahhhhhhh......So much better after I ate that snickers bar!!





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thats better if are draft sucks blame all of them if are draft is good praise all of them dont just single out one..dont just blame the yes and no guy because just maybe are scouts like players A are coaches like player A bruce says yes draft player A well what happens if player A sucks its not bruce allen fault he just said yes or no

 

[Sharkinva]

thats better if are draft sucks blame all of them if are draft is good praise all of them dont just single out one..dont just blame the yes and no guy because just maybe are scouts like players A are coaches like player A bruce says yes draft player A well what happens if player A sucks its not bruce allen fault he just said yes or no

The problem with that line of thinking is this. Bruce has a habit of taking all the credit if something goes right, and shifting the blame if something goes wrong.

Bruce wants credit... its all his good or bad at this point. Because that is what HE wanted.

 

[Stymietee]

thats better if are draft sucks blame all of them if are draft is good praise all of them dont just single out one..dont just blame the yes and no guy because just maybe are scouts like players A are coaches like player A bruce says yes draft player A well what happens if player A sucks its not bruce allen fault he just said yes or no

Let me answer your question as clearly and to the point as possible, in fact YOU have already answered your question when you completed the approval process given.

Here's how your scenario ACTUALLY plays out.......

Step #1. Our scouts likes player A.....do they have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely not)
Step#2. Gruden or the coaches also likes player A...does any of them have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely not)
Step#3. Bruce Allen says "Yes" draft player A....does he have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely yes)

Does player A get drafted if Bruce says "No?".... (Absolutely not unless over-ruled by the owner)

Whether you want to believe it or not FINAL SAY carries with it full responsibility and that responsibility requires that the holder is extremely well versed in these matters. If he is not a well informed President/GM then failures are also on him because he wouldn't know when to say "NO"

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

thats my point if scouts like A and coaches LIke A well bruce will draft A ... the skinfan logic of bruce stopping at a 7 eleven picking up a big gulp and a draft magazine hrs before the draft then sits in the war room bye him self looking at mag saying i will draft him at 17 is laughable ..... Yes ALLEN HAS THE POWER HE WILL NOT OVER POWER THECOACHES AND SCOUTS TO DRAFT PLAYER K INSTEAD OF A

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

The problem with that line of thinking is this. Bruce has a habit of taking all the credit if something goes right, and shifting the blame if something goes wrong.

Bruce wants credit... its all his good or bad at this point. Because that is what HE wanted.

NO HE DOES NOT HE WANTS TO WIN GAMES AND DO BETTER THEN 2 STARTES OUT OF 17 DRAFT PICKS AND 12 MILL IN DEAD CAP FOR WHAT 9-7

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Let me answer your question as clearly and to the point as possible, in fact YOU have already answered your question when you completed the approval process given.

Here's how your scenario ACTUALLY plays out.......

Step #1. Our scouts likes player A.....do they have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely not)
Step#2. Gruden or the coaches also likes player A...does any of them have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely not)
Step#3. Bruce Allen says "Yes" draft player A....does he have the authority to draft him? (Absolutely yes)

Does player A get drafted if Bruce says "No?".... (Absolutely not unless over-ruled by the owner)

Whether you want to believe it or not FINAL SAY carries with it full responsibility and that responsibility requires that the holder is extremely well versed in these matters. If he is not a well informed President/GM then failures are also on him because he wouldn't know when to say "NO"

HOW DID WE GET ZACH BROWN DID BRUCE ALLEN SAY FUCK IT LETS GET HIM OR THE DEFENSE COACHES TOLD ALLEN WE NEED ZACH WAS THIS A ALLEN ROUGE FA OR A GROUP THING BRUCE WAS JUST A YES NO GUY I SAY ALLEN WAS TOLD BY COACHES AND ALLEN SAID YES WHICH MOST OF THE COACHES SAID YES TO

 

[Stymietee]

thats my point if scouts like A and coaches LIke A well bruce will draft A ... the skinfan logic of bruce stopping at a 7 eleven picking up a big gulp and a draft magazine hrs before the draft then sits in the war room bye him self looking at mag saying i will draft him at 17 is laughable ..... Yes ALLEN HAS THE POWER HE WILL NOT OVER POWER THECOACHES AND SCOUTS TO DRAFT PLAYER K INSTEAD OF A

He does not have to draft player A. The scouts responsibilities are to find good, very good and exceptional players, the head coach's responsibility is to get them to play together at a high level while the GM responsibility centers around putting the entire puzzle together. This last part includes the drafting and acquisition of players who BEST fit.

So why is this uniquely important to the job of the GM especially during the draft? Well, contrary to a lot of opinion drafting BPA comes with this tagline....AT A POSITION OF NEED.

Fortunately for us, we are currently debating that right now at the RB spot. I hope that we all agree that ideally we need a 3 down back to really set Gruden's offense apart from the rest.....right? Well, by now I'm sure that JG has informed Bruce of this, if he didn't already know. With that in mind let's play it out using your criteria.

Pick number 17 is on the clock looking for a RB, (McCaffrey and either Cook, Mixon or Fournette are available). The scouts and head coach agree that they really like the Cook, Mixon, Fournette guy while Bruce really likes McCaffrey. Guess who's going to be drafted at 17?

 

[Sleepy T]

Coach for GM!

I agree though, this notion that Bruce and Dan will undermine every pick that our coaches and scouts like is ridiculous. Do they have the final say? Yes. But so does every other owner and GM in the league.

And it doesn't sound like McCaffrey will be there at 17, but if he is, I would be OK with it. He wouldn't be the best option at RB. But the guy is squeaky cleans and very low risk. At worst he will be a versatile KR/WR/RB. I think we already have that guy in Crowder, but it wouldn't be a horrible pick.

 

[Stymietee]

HOW DID WE GET ZACH BROWN DID BRUCE ALLEN SAY FUCK IT LETS GET HIM OR THE DEFENSE COACHES TOLD ALLEN WE NEED ZACH WAS THIS A ALLEN ROUGE FA OR A GROUP THING BRUCE WAS JUST A YES NO GUY I SAY ALLEN WAS TOLD BY COACHES AND ALLEN SAID YES WHICH MOST OF THE COACHES SAID YES TO

While I might be willing to agree with you, there is a history that has to be dealt with concerning Bruce Allen

I actually hate to bring this up, so instead I'll make reference to it. Go back into fairly recent memory and ask yourself, under what circumstances did Kirk Cousins get drafted by Washington.

BTW: Any chance that you either know Bruce Allen or related to him? Just asking.

 

[Stymietee]

Coach for GM!

I agree though, this notion that Bruce and Dan will undermine every pick that our coaches and scouts like is ridiculous. Do they have the final say? Yes. But so does every other owner and GM in the league.

And it doesn't sound like McCaffrey will be there at 17, but if he is, I would be OK with it. He wouldn't be the best option at RB. But the guy is squeaky cleans and very low risk. At worst he will be a versatile KR/WR/RB. I think we already have that guy in Crowder, but it wouldn't be a horrible pick.

Can't disagree with you VT, you nailed it when you stated that "He wouldn't be the best option at RB" because that's exactly the point. Scouts, coaches and GM's often agree and disagree on players, this we can all agree to. What is also not in dispute is that the role of a GM is in part to get the best of the best for his franchise. What's going on here is an assertion that everyone must be blamed for bad decisions that heretofore belonged at the feet of the GM. Ironically, and a bit puzzling, is the clear singular blame being put on former GMSM but when it comes to GM Bruce Allen, everyone gets the blame.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

i think the plan was to fixed the redzone offense in FA i think they did that with pryor and quick now how to fix the defense i seen to many TE getting open and teams running the ball on us i think ( Bruce the YES and NO guy and coaches) keeps it simple draft ilb to cover te draft run stuffing Dlineman ....dont worry about drafting a qb this year if KC leaves we will draft qb for sure next year big big big qb class coming out could be the best qb class in draft history ... Bottom line must approve running game, redzone game, run stopping, to many TE open needs to be stop then we can win super bowl... IN SUDFIELD I TRUST I CAN NOT WAIT TILL PRESEASON TO SEE HIS GROWTH

 

[reptec101]

Snyder to Allen after he trades Cousins away for a 5th round pic and takes MaHomes at 17.... yea, it could be a long night.