The Browns being the Browns

[soxfan1468927]

Ever heard the term...."Franchise"? Tag him and a pay him for one more year ..........UNLESS.........Jacoby Brissett proves that he's ready.

I know what a franchise tag is. You think the Pats will pay him that much money to be a backup?

 

[Tharvot]

Ever heard the term...."Franchise"? Tag him and a pay him for one more year ..........UNLESS.........Jacoby Brissett proves that he's ready.

the most inefficient way to deal with someone you think is a franchise QB.

The point is moot if Brady continues to refuse to age and never retires tho.

 

[Tharvot]

One of the best parts of the trade was it making Bill Polian's head explode. He's very much the old man yelling at the browns management to get off his lawn.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The Osweiler trade was stroke of brilliance. I understood what they were doing from the get go. There's a 0% chance he remains on the team, at least for that pricetag. They will either release or trade him off before too long.

Their run defense has been poor since they went to a 3-4 base. They just don't have the personnel to line up with 3 down linemen consistently and do much of anything. They should be better with 4 (can't be worse), and considering running is a near afterthought for 1/2 the league anymore, they need to find a way to pressure the QB first IMO. Getting Garrett will do that.

As for their #12 overall, I would not be shocked at all if they traded that down for a few more picks.

Osweiler...I don't know all the details but I wouldn't call it brilliant either...why would you? Obviously they can afford it, but don't they have a dead money hit?

43 base...I like the move.

Steelers imo are decent stopping the run out of their 34 base...but I would love to see them employ a 43 myself and I think personnel wise they're not that far away from being able to. In the north DIV imo you must be able to stop the run...PIT, BAL and CIN all can pass it pretty well, but the run is still the foundation. You take Bell away from PIT and they become a lot easier to defend.

Pressure..no question...being able to add that level of talent on the edge has to help...no brainer pick.

12...I can see them trade down if they want to use it to get Jimmy G AND acquire another pick or 2 along the way...that makes sense.

 

[Tharvot]

Osweiler...I don't know all the details but I wouldn't call it brilliant either...why would you? Obviously they can afford it, but don't they have a dead money hit?

43 base...I like the move.

Steelers imo are decent stopping the run out of their 34 base...but I would love to see them employ a 43 myself and I think personnel wise they're not that far away from being able to. In the north DIV imo you must be able to stop the run...PIT, BAL and CIN all can pass it pretty well, but the run is still the foundation. You take Bell away from PIT and they become a lot easier to defend.

Pressure..no question...being able to add that level of talent on the edge has to help...no brainer pick.

12...I can see them trade down if they want to use it to get Jimmy G AND acquire another pick or 2 along the way...that makes sense.

Here's why I think the Ossweiler move was brilliant: they picked up a 2nd round pick for a 4th. They have a ton of cap room and chances are they won't even use it all this year, so the money they have to pay him for 1 year is immaterial. He will be off the books one way or another after this season. Now, if they can further parlay him to another team for some more picks while driving down his cost this year it's an even bigger homerun.

The steelers have used the 3-4 for a long time with great success. Their entire defense is built around it. The Browns just don't have the right personnel in their front 7 to make it work (i don't know that they have the personnel to make any scheme work, but that's a different story). I'm good with the switch back, and especially good with the choice of Garrett at #1. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Seems Jimmy G might be a pipedream and NE may never trade him away. If not, that's fine, the browns have a shit load of picks to use on young guys.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The most important part is done, the o-line, now they just have to build around it. I don't think they need to go high for a QB and maybe use Brock for a year (if literally no other options even though I don't expect that). If they can get a solid RB, get a couple weapons along with Britt and Coleman then the offense might be decent.
I think they need to start with defense and particularly the defensive line. They have Shelton, who seems like he could be pretty good, if they can add Garrett and another guy on the d-line and maybe get a S or CB at 12 they are starting somewhere. I don't expect them to be good right now or anything but building for the future is a start in the right direction.

For a recent change it's something that looks promising. At one time CLE had one of the better OLs in the league, just couldn't get over the hump. Rebuilding that with vets is expensive, but imo money well spent....should certainly re-invigorate Thomas.

QB...tough call. I wouldn't go QB at 12, but I might trade down with a team in the high teens low 20s and get a pick or 2, and use the new 1st rd to trade for Jimmy G...if NE balks I would probably grab one of the top 4 QBs and let Kessler start. I think Osweiler played badly LY, but with only 7 starts under his belt, I think it was predictable to a degree. You don't solve NFL defenses in 7 starts. Maybe I keep him...depends on where he is mentally...can he recover that HOU? IDK

At the same time it's possible they could take a Jonathan Allen, maybe a Dalvin Cook...the point is they should be able land two day one impact starters. After last yr's draft, I'm sure some Browns fans might be looking forward to this draft.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Here's why I think the Ossweiler move was brilliant: they picked up a 2nd round pick for a 4th. They have a ton of cap room and chances are they won't even use it all this year, so the money they have to pay him for 1 year is immaterial. He will be off the books one way or another after this season. Now, if they can further parlay him to another team for some more picks while driving down his cost this year it's an even bigger homerun.

The steelers have used the 3-4 for a long time with great success. Their entire defense is built around it. The Browns just don't have the right personnel in their front 7 to make it work (i don't know that they have the personnel to make any scheme work, but that's a different story). I'm good with the switch back, and especially good with the choice of Garrett at #1. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Seems Jimmy G might be a pipedream and NE may never trade him away. If not, that's fine, the browns have a shit load of picks to use on young guys.

Os...a 2 for a 4 plus the cap hit essentially...I still wouldn't call it brilliant, but I get it....good move because they have the cap space to burn. Who knows, maybe Hue can revive him.

34...yeah they've used it a long time...idk about great success lately. Built around it...that's kind the beef with some Steeler fans, me included...since Casey Hampton was released, they really haven't had great 34 personnel, not on the interior DL...now they got two pro bowl caliber 34 DEs and although he's not a traditional 2 gap NT, maybe they got the NT figured out, Hargrave can play...if they get a decent edge player very soon, maybe they get back to a SB caliber DEF while Ben still has snaps left.

Jimmy G...I know Pats fans hold him in high esteem, but I don't know how he would perform away from the NE system.

 

[Tharvot]

Os...a 2 for a 4 plus the cap hit essentially...I still wouldn't call it brilliant, but I get it....good move because they have the cap space to burn. Who knows, maybe Hue can revive him.

34...yeah they've used it a long time...idk about great success. Built around it...that's kind the beef with some Steeler fans, me included...since Casey Hampton was released, they really haven't had great 34 personnel, not on the interior DL...now they got two pro bowl caliber 34 DEs and although he's not a traditional 2 gap NT, maybe they got the NT figured out, Hargrave can play...if they get a decent edge player very soon, maybe they get back to a SB caliber DEF while Ben still has snaps left.

Jimmy G...I know Pats fans hold him in high esteem, but I don't know how he would perform away from the NE system.

Think of it this way. They could spend that $16 on another mediocre free agent or 2 just to spend it or they could invest it in a top 60 pick. Not only that, but they could go ahead and eat some or all of that contract in a further trade of Osweiler to someone else in order to acquire more picks. Moves like this happen all the time in the NBA. The reason it's genius in the NFL is because it's groundbreaking for football trades. You need one team looking to compete but saddled with a bad contract and another team with a lot of cap space looking to accumulate draft picks.

Paul DePodesta said it best early on when asked about it "there's only a finite number of ways to spend cap space. At some point, it becomes woefully inefficient to purchase free agents". If you have the room, and no immediate top free agents to bring in, the next best thing to spend it on is future picks.

 

[Clayton]

One of the best parts of the trade was it making Bill Polian's head explode. He's very much the old man yelling at the browns management to get off his lawn.

I think its fair criticism to say that last year's draft for the Browns was kinda....subpar and/or unproven...but I do like the Osweiler trade.

That said, I have no ability to listen to Bill Polian for more than about 60 seconds.

 

[Tharvot]

I think its fair criticism to say that last year's draft for the Browns was kinda....subpar and/or unproven...but I do like the Osweiler trade.

That said, I have no ability to listen to Bill Polian for more than about 60 seconds.

Unproven is fair to say...most drafts after a single year are for the most part "unproven" unless you got lucky and got a slam dunk pick or 2 like dallas did last year.

Polian comes off as a complete fool with very little understanding of how or why the browns would (essentially) pay cash for a draft pick. THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF SIGNING SO MANY FAs THAT THEY RUN OUT OF CAP SPACE THIS YEAR. I'm not sure how many times he needs to be told that. It's a far better payoff to spend some cap space on a future draft pick instead of buying a free agent just to fill out the roster and use your space. Bill can't seem to wrap his head around that concept.

My favorite part is when he goes off about how the browns are no better at drafting than any other team. No shit bill, why do you think they want to hoard picks?? It's so they can increase their odds of hitting on some high quality early picks! Lol, the guy obviously has an allergy to math.

 

[Clayton]

Unproven is fair to say...most drafts after a single year are for the most part "unproven" unless you got lucky and got a slam dunk pick or 2 like dallas did last year.

Yeah but they drafted from Baylor and Oklahoma St and both are on my college radar of questionable college systems at this point. Coleman in particular had a lot of effort red flags and many people were boom/bust on him coming out.

And now they are going to be drafting a third pass rusher even though they'll never be able to build a lead to know if their pass rushers can do the job when it matters.

They'll see improvement next year regardless just because there is no way they whiff on all of those draft picks but they'll need to get lucky with a QB somewhere.

 

[Tharvot]

Yeah but they drafted from Baylor and Oklahoma St and both are on my college radar of questionable college systems at this point. Coleman in particular had a lot of effort red flags and many people were boom/bust on him coming out.

And now they are going to be drafting a third pass rusher even though they'll never be able to build a lead to know if their pass rushers can do the job when it matters.

They'll see improvement next year regardless just because there is no way they whiff on all of those draft picks but they'll need to get lucky with a QB somewhere.

Both Coleman and Ogbah were good last year when healthy. Cant ask for a whole lot more from 1st year guys.

They also rebuilt their O-line, which was desperately needed. That alone should help them score more this coming season.

Defensively, the league is ~60% pass. The Browns averaged 1.6 sacks a game last year...2nd worst in the NFL. And wouldn't you know it, they had an average team passer rating against of 101 (also 2nd worst in the NFL). It all starts up front. Having bookends of Ogbah and Garrett will go a long way towards helping their defense.

Everything they've done so far this offseason has been A+ for me. They've addressed major needs (assuming they draft Garrett). The one glaring thing they need is QB. That guy may or may not be in this draft, they can't force that issue, gotta just keep making the best decision available.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Here's why I think the Ossweiler move was brilliant: they picked up a 2nd round pick for a 4th. They have a ton of cap room and chances are they won't even use it all this year, so the money they have to pay him for 1 year is immaterial. He will be off the books one way or another after this season. Now, if they can further parlay him to another team for some more picks while driving down his cost this year it's an even bigger homerun.

The steelers have used the 3-4 for a long time with great success. Their entire defense is built around it. The Browns just don't have the right personnel in their front 7 to make it work (i don't know that they have the personnel to make any scheme work, but that's a different story). I'm good with the switch back, and especially good with the choice of Garrett at #1. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Seems Jimmy G might be a pipedream and NE may never trade him away. If not, that's fine, the browns have a shit load of picks to use on young guys.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Think of it this way. They could spend that $16 on another mediocre free agent or 2 just to spend it or they could invest it in a top 60 pick. Not only that, but they could go ahead and eat some or all of that contract in a further trade of Osweiler to someone else in order to acquire more picks. Moves like this happen all the time in the NBA. The reason it's genius in the NFL is because it's groundbreaking for football trades. You need one team looking to compete but saddled with a bad contract and another team with a lot of cap space looking to accumulate draft picks.

Paul DePodesta said it best early on when asked about it "there's only a finite number of ways to spend cap space. At some point, it becomes woefully inefficient to purchase free agents". If you have the room, and no immediate top free agents to bring in, the next best thing to spend it on is future picks.

Given what Pryor signed for on a 1 yr deal and what they could probably get Dontari Poe for also on a 1yr deal, I can think of other ways to spend $16 mil.

That said...it's great imo because like you said, they had the cap money to kick the tires on this guy and they get to move up in the draft. It becomes brilliant if Hue can work his magic and get them to a 9, 10 win type team with Brock running the OFC by the time that top 60 rolls around.

 

[Battlelyon]

Here comes the savior

 

[darken65]

Here comes the savior

Finally the Browns will be winners!

 

[Tharvot]

Given what Pryor signed for on a 1 yr deal and what they could probably get Dontari Poe for also on a 1yr deal, I can think of other ways to spend $16 mil.

That said...it's great imo because like you said, they had the cap money to kick the tires on this guy and they get to move up in the draft. It becomes brilliant if Hue can work his magic and get them to a 9, 10 win type team with Brock running the OFC by the time that top 60 rolls around.

The Pryor move was a head scratcher. Surely, Cleveland offered him as much or more.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The Pryor move was a head scratcher. Surely, Cleveland offered him as much or more.

Imagine Britt, & Pryor outside with Coleman in the slot along with Barndige, solid RBs...rebuilt OL...get some decent QB play and you never know.

 

[Across The Field]

Imagine Britt, & Pryor outside with Coleman in the slot along with Barndige, solid RBs...rebuilt OL...get some decent QB play and you never know.

Don't need Pryor, my friend...

Spoiler

 

[Battlelyon]

Don't need Pryor, my friend...

Spoiler

Keeping that dream alive I see, nobody knows what to expect from the Browns receiving staff.

Coleman had flashes, but missed six games.
Gordon is dumb as a rock and only had one great season and that was five years ago.
Britt is a contract player, performs his best at contract time, no leader.