The Browns being the Browns

[Tharvot]

Ogbah got great production as a rookie...if he can build on that with some tape on him, he might be special. He could be above average for certain and Nassib might be more of a depth guy that can make plays. Solid rotation is Garrett is legit. The rush DEF needs to get better too so that's where I expect them to go with #12.

As a Browns fan...Osweiler might be a head scratcher, but there's not a ton of risk there....the offseason is going well so far getting the beef up front for whomever the QB is going to be.

The Osweiler trade was stroke of brilliance. I understood what they were doing from the get go. There's a 0% chance he remains on the team, at least for that pricetag. They will either release or trade him off before too long.

Their run defense has been poor since they went to a 3-4 base. They just don't have the personnel to line up with 3 down linemen consistently and do much of anything. They should be better with 4 (can't be worse), and considering running is a near afterthought for 1/2 the league anymore, they need to find a way to pressure the QB first IMO. Getting Garrett will do that.

As for their #12 overall, I would not be shocked at all if they traded that down for a few more picks.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Ogbah got great production as a rookie...if he can build on that with some tape on him, he might be special. He could be above average for certain and Nassib might be more of a depth guy that can make plays. Solid rotation is Garrett is legit. The rush DEF needs to get better too so that's where I expect them to go with #12.

As a Browns fan...Osweiler might be a head scratcher, but there's not a ton of risk there....the offseason is going well so far getting the beef up front for whomever the QB is going to be.

The most important part is done, the o-line, now they just have to build around it. I don't think they need to go high for a QB and maybe use Brock for a year (if literally no other options even though I don't expect that). If they can get a solid RB, get a couple weapons along with Britt and Coleman then the offense might be decent.
I think they need to start with defense and particularly the defensive line. They have Shelton, who seems like he could be pretty good, if they can add Garrett and another guy on the d-line and maybe get a S or CB at 12 they are starting somewhere. I don't expect them to be good right now or anything but building for the future is a start in the right direction.

 

[soxfan1468927]

The Osweiler trade was stroke of brilliance. I understood what they were doing from the get go. There's a 0% chance he remains on the team, at least for that pricetag. They will either release or trade him off before too long.

Their run defense has been poor since they went to a 3-4 base. They just don't have the personnel to line up with 3 down linemen consistently and do much of anything. They should be better with 4 (can't be worse), and considering running is a near afterthought for 1/2 the league anymore, they need to find a way to pressure the QB first IMO. Getting Garrett will do that.

As for their #12 overall, I would not be shocked at all if they traded that down for a few more picks.

Sup?

 

[Shanemansj13]

The Osweiler trade was stroke of brilliance. I understood what they were doing from the get go. There's a 0% chance he remains on the team, at least for that pricetag. They will either release or trade him off before too long.

Their run defense has been poor since they went to a 3-4 base. They just don't have the personnel to line up with 3 down linemen consistently and do much of anything. They should be better with 4 (can't be worse), and considering running is a near afterthought for 1/2 the league anymore, they need to find a way to pressure the QB first IMO. Getting Garrett will do that.

As for their #12 overall, I would not be shocked at all if they traded that down for a few more picks.

Are they switching to a 4-3?? bc I know Garrett has played in a 4-3 defense and picking him would not make sense

 

[Across The Field]

Are they switching to a 4-3?? bc I know Garrett has played in a 4-3 defense and picking him would not make sense

Bosa went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and missed 4 games and then won the Defensive ROY in a runaway.

 

[Tharvot]

The most important part is done, the o-line, now they just have to build around it. I don't think they need to go high for a QB and maybe use Brock for a year (if no other options). If they can get a solid RB, get a couple weapons along with Britt and Coleman then the offense might be decent.
I think they need to start with defense and particularly the defensive line. They have Shelton, who seems like he could be pretty good, if they can add Garrett and another guy on the d-line and maybe get a S or CB at 12 they are starting somewhere. I don't expect them to be good right now or anything but building for the future is a start in the right direction.

I'll say it again, Brock won't be on the team. Lets say the worst case scenario happens and they don't have any better options on the team because a trade for Jimmy G couldn't get done. They can still sign a FA QB just as good as Brock for 1/2 the cost for a year. And they will likely draft at least 1 young QB somewhere in the draft. There's no way the Browns are going to pay Ossweiler $16 million this year.

They're actually ok at RB with Johnson and Crowell. Problem last year was a terrible O-line couldn't create any holes AND they were often so far behind that they were forced to abandon the run early.

 

[Tharvot]

Are they switching to a 4-3?? bc I know Garrett has played in a 4-3 defense and picking him would not make sense

Yes, they're going back to a 4-3. Secondly, even if they weren't it doesn't matter. It's really backwards thinking to avoid the best player in the draft at their position just because they didn't play the same scheme in college. Like REALLY backwards thinking.

 

[Tharvot]

Sup?

very possible if New England is willing to accept a reasonable package for him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Bosa went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and missed 4 games and then won the Defensive ROY in a runaway.

I guess I didn't realize Garrett was that big 6'5" 270, a little smaller than Bosa but he could definitely be a 3-4, could take some time to adjust or maybe like you said he could go beast mode.

 

[Across The Field]

I guess I didn't realize Garrett was that big 6'5" 270, a little smaller than Bosa but he could definitely be a 3-4, could take some time to adjust or maybe like you said he could go beast mode.

Well also, as was mentioned before, the Browns are converting to a 4-3 this season.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yes, they're going back to a 4-3. Secondly, even if they weren't it doesn't matter. It's really backwards thinking to avoid the best player in the draft at their position just because they didn't play the same scheme in college. Like REALLY backwards thinking.

Not really? Yes, you always go for the best player but if he doesn't suit your scheme and do it in the most affective way he plays then you aren't getting the most out of the player. Getting the most potential out of a potential great player is always the key. Not saying he can't play in a 3-4 but WE KNOW he thrives in a 4-3.

I'm glad they are switching. Never liked the 3-4

 

[soxfan1468927]

very possible if New England is willing to accept a reasonable package for him.

They don't seem to be.

Rumor mill has started around here that the Pats are really going all in this year and have one thing left to accomplish. 19-0. They trademarked that and Perfect Season right before the Super Bowl. Brady came into the league winning 3 of 4, goes out winning 3 of 4 and a perfect season. Then hands off to Jimmy G.

 

[Tharvot]

Not really? Yes, you always go for the best player but if he doesn't suit your scheme and do it in the most affective way he plays then you aren't getting the most out of the player. Getting the most potential out of a potential great player is always the key. Not saying he can't play in a 3-4 but WE KNOW he thrives in a 4-3.

I'm glad they are switching. Never liked the 3-4

There can be scheme players for sure that will thrive in one system over another. I don't think Garrett is that type of guy. He's a freak with the type of skill, size, and athleticism that would excel in any package (much like Bosa last yr).

 

[mcnabb7542]

It's good to see Browns fans excited again!

 

[Tharvot]

They don't seem to be.

Rumor mill has started around here that the Pats are really going all in this year and have one thing left to accomplish. 19-0. They trademarked that and Perfect Season right before the Super Bowl. Brady came into the league winning 3 of 4, goes out winning 3 of 4 and a perfect season. Then hands off to Jimmy G.

lol, that's ridiculous but hey, whatever you guys wanna do up in boston.

No one want's to put together silly assets for Jimmy G because he's both unproven and only on contract for 1 more year. A team like the browns could just beef everything else up and throw silly money at him next offseason and keep all their picks.

 

[Tharvot]

It's good to see Browns fans excited again!

we may still suck in december, but at least we can get excited in march.

 

[mcnabb7542]

we may still suck in december, but at least we can get excited in march.

Front office wise it was a "brilliant move" and just imagine if that 2nd round pick they got turns out be a stellar pick for the next 10-12 years.....

 

[Tharvot]

Front office wise it was a "brilliant move" and just imagine if that 2nd round pick they got turns out be a stellar pick for the next 10-12 years.....

Yeah. The amassing of early draft picks is tremendous on paper. The second, and more crucial, part of the plan is using those picks to get good players...

 

[soxfan1468927]

lol, that's ridiculous but hey, whatever you guys wanna do up in boston.

No one want's to put together silly assets for Jimmy G because he's both unproven and only on contract for 1 more year. A team like the browns could just beef everything else up and throw silly money at him next offseason and keep all their picks.

1. We don't wanna do anything. It's what they want to do in Foxboro. And it's just a theory that's been thrown out there, trying to explain the unusually active first few days of free agency from Bill.

2. Of course the only way that any team gives up any serious assets for him is if they can sign him to a long term deal. And I've said, if I'm Jimmy G, and I can talk with these teams, just tell them to wait. Tell them "yes, I'm willing to sign a long term deal with you next year, keep your draft picks, make your team better. I'm not getting hurt sitting on the bench anyway."

 

[BigKen]

Of course the only way that any team gives up any serious assets for him is if they can sign him to a long term deal. And I've said, if I'm Jimmy G, and I can talk with these teams, just tell them to wait. Tell them "yes, I'm willing to sign a long term deal with you next year, keep your draft picks, make your team better. I'm not getting hurt sitting on the bench anyway."

Ever heard the term...."Franchise"? Tag him and a pay him for one more year ..........UNLESS.........Jacoby Brissett proves that he's ready.