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[deanpet21]

IF Cutler is considered an 8-9 win QB, why would the Bears release him?? He is under contract through 2020. So we would have to trade for him. His cap hit would be $15M in that case.. .where as I expect Kirks to e around $18M

SO who is this MASSIVE talent you think we can get for a savings of $3M in cap space that will make up for a downgrade in QB??

Not to mention... what would we have to trade the Bears to get Cutler in the first place?? And if anyone in Ashburn thought McCoy could do what Cousins did, we wouldnt have tagged him last year... or has THAT slipped your mind??

Lastly I thought the whole point was to get better, not cruise at 8-9 wins and a fringe playoffs team. Unless you really think two rookie starters on defense are going to take us from 28th to top five defense in their first year?? Because I assume by your stance we would use the 2nd and 17th on two defensive rookies right??

You are way off base here. Rumors have it that the Bears are releasing Cutler. Im not for trading for Cutler. lol. We can use the extra draft picks to trade down and acquire more players plus FA. We would get 6 new starters on the team.

 

[Sharkinva]

 

[Sharkinva]

You are way off base here. Rumors have it that the Bears are releasing Cutler. Im not for trading for Cutler. lol. We can use the extra draft picks to trade down and acquire more players plus FA. We would get 6 new starters on the team.

If we deal Cousins as you seem to hope, and the Bears figure we might come after Cutler... why release him?? Worst case they sit on him and see what they can fleece us for. The Bears have $54M in cap space.

And say they DO release Cutler... you think HE is going to sign on the cheap knowing it might be his last deal??

 

[deanpet21]

If we deal Cousins as you seem to hope, and the Bears figure we might come after Cutler... why release him?? Worst case they sit on him and see what they can fleece us for. The Bears have $54M in cap space.

And say they DO release Cutler... you think HE is going to sign on the cheap knowing it might be his last deal??

Cutler will not draw money. He will get what Fitzpatrick got from the Jets last year. I think it was 12-15M. Im fine rolling with McCoy and Suds. Two extra first round picks could do wonder s for this team and having the money to basically get whoever we want in FA. It probably won happen b/c Synder would never allow it. If he want KC long term then its as good as done.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cutler will not draw money. He will get what Fitzpatrick got from the Jets last year. I think it was 12-15M. Im fine rolling with McCoy and Suds. Two extra first round picks could do wonder s for this team and having the money to basically get whoever we want in FA. It probably won happen b/c Synder would never allow it. If he want KC long term then its as good as done.

OK so lets play your game.. say Cutler is released. Say your dream scenario comes through and we get him for $12M against the cap on a one year deal... we saved $6M against the cap...... SO who is the one player you think will be available for a $6m cap hit that will make up for the loss in production at QB??

Or heck say we dont sign Cutler or Kirk... Who are the THREE players that we could get to make up for Colts career damn near 1-1 TD to INT rate??

You want to start Rex Grossman jr in the hopes that we go all Cerrato in free agency?? Seriously?? And you justify it by saying well at least we would get two first rounders out of it hopefully??

Come on MAN!!!

 

[deanpet21]

OK so lets play your game.. say Cutler is released. Say your dream scenario comes through and we get him for $12M against the cap on a one year deal... we saved $6M against the cap...... SO who is the one player you think will be available for a $6m cap hit that will make up for the loss in production at QB??

Or heck say we dont sign Cutler or Kirk... Who are the THREE players that we could get to make up for Colts career damn near 1-1 TD to INT rate??

You want to start Rex Grossman jr in the hopes that we go all Cerrato in free agency?? Seriously?? And you justify it by saying well at least we would get two first rounders out of it hopefully??

Come on MAN!!!

I justify it by getting out of paying an unproven QB 80M guaranteed. Plus getting protection for the future on top of it. You said yourself you were forecasting 50-55m g. I just want the team to listen.

It doesn't matter Synder will pay through the nose and KC and Gruden will have HUGE pressure on them to win in 2017. Once again I like KC has a QB but I think its unwise not listen to offers for him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Cutler will not draw money. He will get what Fitzpatrick got from the Jets last year. I think it was 12-15M. Im fine rolling with McCoy and Suds. Two extra first round picks could do wonder s for this team and having the money to basically get whoever we want in FA. It probably won happen b/c Synder would never allow it. If he want KC long term then its as good as done.

You may be fine with that, but I will tell you who won't be good w/ that plan - Gruden! If they dump Cousins & don't make the playoffs next season consider him gone (rebuilding won't be considered a good excuse for a 3rd yr coach - fair or not) & the chance of that happening is pretty good. Finish even worse & another goner might be SM.

So you are telling me that you might be good starting all over again at QB, coach & possibly the GM all for the sake of picking up some complementary players & hoping/praying that you can find your future QB in the draft (it ain't coming via trade or the waiver wire)? No thanks.

 

[Sharkinva]

I justify it by getting out of paying an unproven QB 80M guaranteed. Plus getting protection for the future on top of it. You said yourself you were forecasting 50-55m g. I just want the team to listen.

It doesn't matter Synder will pay through the nose and KC and Gruden will have HUGE pressure on them to win in 2017. Once again I like KC has a QB but I think its unwise not listen to offers for him.

Dude.. .thats like saying...I like my house. I dont really intend to move. BUt if some one offered me $1M for it right now and I would have to walk out with the clothes on my back... IM ok with it cause I got $1M for it, never mind I might have the money but the only place I could find to stay was the Bates Motel. Least I got a million out of it... think of what i could do with that money.

 

[countryroads316]

You may be fine with that, but I will tell you who won't be good w/ that plan - Gruden! If they dump Cousins & don't make the playoffs next season consider him gone (rebuilding won't be considered a good excuse for a 3rd yr coach - fair or not) & the chance of that happening is pretty good. Finish even worse & another goner might be SM.

So you are telling me that you might be good starting all over again at QB, coach & possibly the GM all for the sake of picking up some complementary players & hoping/praying that you can find your future QB in the draft (it ain't coming via trade or the waiver wire)? No thanks.

I don't see us making the playoffs next season with Kirk Cousins

 

[Rowdy]

I don't see us making the playoffs next season with Kirk Cousins

I think y'all are fucking nuts! I don't see us making the playoffs without Kirk unless we get lucky as hell and find the next Brady in the draft

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I justify it by getting out of paying an unproven QB 80M guaranteed. Plus getting protection for the future on top of it. You said yourself you were forecasting 50-55m g. I just want the team to listen.

It doesn't matter Synder will pay through the nose and KC and Gruden will have HUGE pressure on them to win in 2017. Once again I like KC has a QB but I think its unwise not listen to offers for him.

Dean, even getting two 1st round picks could set us back quite a bit.
-- If we get a FA QB(or start McCoy), a stud offensive and defensive player in the draft, QB is STILL a priority in 2018. Also our team has a history of doing odd things with extra picks and FAILING in the first round.
IMO, if anyone failed last year -- it would be our GM. What he put on the field at RB, SS, DE, NT & ILB was not acceptable for defending conference champs. If we would have won, one more game, we never had a chance to do anything in the playoffs. Joe Barry is gone, Kirk and Jay may be too.

I'd like to say, i used to think the picks for Cousins was worth it, BUT....we have plenty of money, and with better defense, and playcalling you could see an Elite season or two out of Cousins. His numbers are already great, but i think he has another level in him. I'd hate to see that level in SF

 

[deanpet21]

Dean, even getting two 1st round picks could set us back quite a bit.
-- If we get a FA QB(or start McCoy), a stud offensive and defensive player in the draft, QB is STILL a priority in 2018. Also our team has a history of doing odd things with extra picks and FAILING in the first round.
IMO, if anyone failed last year -- it would be our GM. What he put on the field at RB, SS, DE, NT & ILB was not acceptable for defending conference champs. If we would have won, one more game, we never had a chance to do anything in the playoffs. Joe Barry is gone, Kirk and Jay may be too.

I'd like to say, i used to think the picks for Cousins was worth it, BUT....we have plenty of money, and with better defense, and playcalling you could see an Elite season or two out of Cousins. His numbers are already great, but i think he has another level in him. I'd hate to see that level in SF

That could be true. I was just curious in what the offers would be. I think KC signs back with us.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

That could be true. I was just curious in what the offers would be. I think KC signs back with us.

Dean, If unproven rookies are getting 1st swap, 2nd, next year's 1st.
We should be offered something unheard of. They already have the ability to offer him more money, so asset for asset would be my only consideration. Bowman, Jimmy Ward, 2017-18 1st picks, 2017 2nd round pick. I'd have to at least consider that.

Let's be real, SF is going to suck for a while. Who are they going to surpass in that division anytime soon?
If, and I'm not saying I want this, but if we set back our team, it would mean the other team is going to need to relocate

 

[Breed]

The Skins franchise Cuz again and surprise surprise the 9ers end up with the first pick in the 2018 draft. Meanwhile after a sterling season as USC's starting QB. Sam Darnold forgoes his remaining college eligibility and declares for that same 2018 draft.

Skins send KC to Frisco, Frisco sends the Skins their 2018 1st rd pick and 2018 3rd pk. As well as their 2019 2nd rd and 3rd pks to the Skins.

 

[Sharkinva]

The Skins franchise Cuz again and surprise surprise the 9ers end up with the first pick in the 2018 draft. Meanwhile after a sterling season as USC's starting QB. Sam Darnold forgoes his remaining college eligibility and declares for that same 2018 draft.

Skins send KC to Frisco, Frisco sends the Skins their 2018 1st rd pick and 2018 3rd pk. As well as their 2019 2nd rd and 3rd pks to the Skins.

Que midgets spray painted orange singing

"We're of to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz"

 

[j_y19]

the 49ers may take the ridiculous offer of 2 first round picks. Grap is going to get a 1 and a 3. By doing what you say just gives KC even more leverage. Why back your franchise into a corner?

Why do you care if KC has all the leverage (which he doesn't)?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Those 2 firsts could turn into Brian Urlacher and Brandon Marshall but if the QB is Jay Cutler you will suck.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I don't see us making the playoffs next season with Kirk Cousins

That certainly is possible. However - their odds of making the playoffs are substantially better w/ Cousins than say McCoy, a rookie or someone else's garbage. Sure they could luck out w/ a Prescott like situation, but the odds of that occurring are slim.

I think that you, Deanpet & others have this mindset that Cousins is incapable of improvement & that almost all of the offensive issues are Cousins' fault. I disagree in a major way. One specific area would be red zone efficiency. I think significant improvement in this area is very possible. It will require some personnel improvement (not necessarily major), better coaching, improvement from existing players (e.g. O line) & yes better play from Cousins. Why do you not think that improvement in areas such as these is not possible?

Slight improvements in these areas (as well as even marginally better defense) could mean a few more wins & a playoff appearance.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think they re nuts we should keep KC and i wouldnt settle for 2 first rounders i would want even more

 

[deanpet21]

That certainly is possible. However - their odds of making the playoffs are substantially better w/ Cousins than say McCoy, a rookie or someone else's garbage. Sure they could luck out w/ a Prescott like situation, but the odds of that occurring are slim.

I think that you, Deanpet & others have this mindset that Cousins is incapable of improvement & that almost all of the offensive issues are Cousins' fault. I disagree in a major way. One specific area would be red zone efficiency. I think significant improvement in this area is very possible. It will require some personnel improvement (not necessarily major), better coaching, improvement from existing players (e.g. O line) & yes better play from Cousins. Why do you not think that improvement in areas such as these is not possible?

Slight improvements in these areas (as well as even marginally better defense) could mean a few more wins & a playoff appearance.

I don't have that mindset. Improvement is possible but We shouldn't have to pay top dollar for a QB who needs to improve. Plus you don't know what your turning down if you don't listen to all offers.