2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[Heatles84]

Not sure why the Cavs are considering Jordan Farmar. He sucks

Sshhhhhhhh

 

[Heatles84]

You look at what LeBron had in Miami- and after his Big 3 in Miami- they never had a collection of complimentary players NEARLY as good as Jr, Tristan, Shumpert, Korver, Frye, Jefferson, etc. I understand LeBron wanting to always have that edge and always be pushing towards making the team better- never being complacent- but in the grand scheme of things- i think Barkley made some very good points when he said:

Lebron had Battier, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Udonis Haslem and Chris Andersen as some of his role players. Maybe if Lebron and Bosh didn't try get a 6th year added to their deals, the Heat could've drafted other quality players instead of having to trade draft picks.

And even then, you never heard Lebron bitch about not having help in Miami. #Heatculture #Cavsculture

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lebron had Battier, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Udonis Haslem and Chris Andersen as some of his role players. Maybe if Lebron and Bosh didn't try get a 6th year added to their deals, the Heat could've drafted other quality players instead of having to trade draft picks.

And even then, you never heard Lebron bitch about not having help in Miami. #Heatculture #Cavsculture

yah...he just left.

 

[Heatles84]

yah...he just left.

Yup. And he's bitching in Cleveland.

 

[WiggyRuss]

And I'll look at the month of January as far as records go. Lebron got his first losing month in the last 10 years. Heat won 8 straight, which includes Houston and Golden St.

And the point wasn't to say the Heat are title contenders. But they make use with what they have and don't bitch about not having enough help.

hey- when you have LeBron you have to deal with some of LeBron's nonsense. Do i think he messed up running his mouth last week?

of course

would I prefer being in the lotto and totally irrelevant?

uhhh no.

the proverbial juice is worth the squeeze here.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Not sure why the Cavs are considering Jordan Farmar. He sucks

prob cause he is healthy unlike the other PG's around.

 

[larryjohn]

Lebron had Battier, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Udonis Haslem and Chris Andersen as some of his role players. Maybe if Lebron and Bosh didn't try get a 6th year added to their deals, the Heat could've drafted other quality players instead of having to trade draft picks.

And even then, you never heard Lebron bitch about not having help in Miami. #Heatculture #Cavsculture

From 2013 ... ESPN article:

Whether you believe ESPN the Magazine’s Chris Broussard’s report that several Heat players, particularly James, have grown frustrated with coach Erik Spoelstra doesn’t really matter. James has already said as much repeatedly in recent days.

He complained about playing too many minutes, which required a meeting with Spoelstra. He said he doesn’t like playing point guard, which Spoelstra has asked him to do for much of the young season. And he maintained that, unlike in seasons past, he isn’t having fun.

On Monday there was another meeting between James and Spoelstra. This confab supposedly focused on the offense, where James and the Heat have been struggling, and not on the ESPN report of discord -- though it's fair to assume the topic came up.

Of course James isn’t totally happy. He’s given up money, a massive piece of his reputation, the freedom to walk freely around his hometown. He's also sacrificed shot attempts and his beloved statistics to be with the Heat. Yes, it's early in the process, but the results so far have been underwhelming.

There are only so many people to blame, and in the NBA the first fingers are usually pointed at the coach. Check back in a few weeks. There’s a chance the conversation will sound completely different, which is what Spoelstra is counting on.

Whatever the case, the Heat have encountered their first critical test with James.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think that it is LeBron just realizing that whatever moves the Cavs make it won't be enough. Welcome to the world of every other NBA team that doesn't reside in the Bay area! He basically started this concept in the recent era when he signed w/ the Heat in 2010 so he is partially responsible for the current makeup of the Warriors.

Oh well - he needs to keep bitching (along w/ his buddy Wade). It will just make a lot of folks like him less. If he wasn't so sensitive that wouldn't matter & it shouldn't. Some of these guys just worry too much about the opinions of others - just let it go already.

 

[Heatles84]

hey- when you have LeBron you have to deal with some of LeBron's nonsense. Do i think he messed up running his mouth last week?

of course

would I prefer being in the lotto and totally irrelevant?

uhhh no.

the proverbial juice is worth the squeeze here.

I'm actually happier that he's gone. But do you.

 

[Heatles84]

From 2013 ... ESPN article:

Whether you believe ESPN the Magazine’s Chris Broussard’s report that several Heat players, particularly James, have grown frustrated with coach Erik Spoelstra doesn’t really matter. James has already said as much repeatedly in recent days.

He complained about playing too many minutes, which required a meeting with Spoelstra. He said he doesn’t like playing point guard, which Spoelstra has asked him to do for much of the young season. And he maintained that, unlike in seasons past, he isn’t having fun.

On Monday there was another meeting between James and Spoelstra. This confab supposedly focused on the offense, where James and the Heat have been struggling, and not on the ESPN report of discord -- though it's fair to assume the topic came up.

Of course James isn’t totally happy. He’s given up money, a massive piece of his reputation, the freedom to walk freely around his hometown. He's also sacrificed shot attempts and his beloved statistics to be with the Heat. Yes, it's early in the process, but the results so far have been underwhelming.

There are only so many people to blame, and in the NBA the first fingers are usually pointed at the coach. Check back in a few weeks. There’s a chance the conversation will sound completely different, which is what Spoelstra is counting on.

Whatever the case, the Heat have encountered their first critical test with James.

And they won a title that year. What's your point? Never heard Lebron publicly bitch about not having help while at Miami like he's doing now.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

yah...he just left.

That's just James being James, and another example of why Barkley correctly called him out for being a whiner.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I'm actually happier that he's gone. But do you.

Agree.
I'm totally cool with LAW (life after Wade) also.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

From 2013 ... ESPN article:

Whether you believe ESPN the Magazine’s Chris Broussard’s report that several Heat players, particularly James, have grown frustrated with coach Erik Spoelstra doesn’t really matter. James has already said as much repeatedly in recent days.

He complained about playing too many minutes, which required a meeting with Spoelstra. He said he doesn’t like playing point guard, which Spoelstra has asked him to do for much of the young season. And he maintained that, unlike in seasons past, he isn’t having fun.

On Monday there was another meeting between James and Spoelstra. This confab supposedly focused on the offense, where James and the Heat have been struggling, and not on the ESPN report of discord -- though it's fair to assume the topic came up.

Of course James isn’t totally happy. He’s given up money, a massive piece of his reputation, the freedom to walk freely around his hometown. He's also sacrificed shot attempts and his beloved statistics to be with the Heat. Yes, it's early in the process, but the results so far have been underwhelming.

There are only so many people to blame, and in the NBA the first fingers are usually pointed at the coach. Check back in a few weeks. There’s a chance the conversation will sound completely different, which is what Spoelstra is counting on.

Whatever the case, the Heat have encountered their first critical test with James.

And 4 seasons later he's still forced to lead the league in mpg played.., despite being surrounded by his handpicked roster which includes current all stars Love and Kyrie.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I'm actually happier that he's gone. But do you.

hey- i have been on both sides of it....I can tell ya- LeBron does manufacture drama at times---- but il ldeal with the overhyped drama about finding a back up point guard if that is the difference between sucking and winning

in the grand scheme- REALLY- its almost humorous this has all started about finding a backup point guard, lol.

 

[Heatles84]

Agree.
I'm totally cool with LAW (life after Wade) also.

Yup. Watching our team grow. Makes winning titles more enjoyable after years like this. Because you remember where this team was at years prior with some of the role players still in the fold. Not saying we're winning a title in the next couple of years, more placing an emphasis on going through the growing pains.

 

[Heatles84]

hey- i have been on both sides of it....I can tell ya- LeBron does manufacture drama at times---- but il ldeal with the overhyped drama about finding a back up point guard if that is the difference between sucking and winning

in the grand scheme- REALLY- its almost humorous this has all started about finding a backup point guard, lol.

Don't worry, I thought the same thing. The irony didn't get by me on that one.

 

[gordontrue]

LeBron was stupid to bring it up publicly and even stupider for using it as an excuse for their poor play, BUT... the narrative of "oh look LeBron needs more help" is just as stupid.

The Cavs don't even have a full roster. They're 1 of like 3 teams in the entire league without a complete roster. They are sitting on empty roster spots and multiple exceptions. Anyone with a right mind knows the Cavs need to make a move or two. They would be stupid not to.

 

[gordontrue]

in the grand scheme- REALLY- its almost humorous this has all started about finding a backup point guard, lol.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

LeBron was stupid to bring it up publicly and even stupider for using it as an excuse for their poor play, BUT... the narrative of "oh look LeBron needs more help" is just as stupid.

The Cavs don't even have a full roster. They're 1 of like 3 teams in the entire league without a complete roster. They are sitting on empty roster spots and multiple exceptions. Anyone with a right mind knows the Cavs need to make a move or two. They would be stupid not to.

What's even dumber was the timing.
Didn't this all begin right after the full strength Cavs lost to the A.D. less Pelicans?

 

[gordontrue]

What's even dumber was the timing.
Didn't this all begin right after the full strength Cavs lost to the A.D. less Pelicans?

The timing actually makes sense because this is the time of year when you make moves for filling out a roster.

It just looks bad when your team is losing to bad teams. It comes off as an implication that the reason you're losing is cause you're missing that 10th player off the bench. Which is way I said it was stupid for LeBron to use it an excuse for their poor play. I don't think he ever said that directly... but when you go on a rant about it after a bad loss... that's how its going to be perceived - as it should.