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[deanpet21]

i dont think anything can be settled after 6 weeks of otas and a week of TC as to whether he could play tackle or not .

they tried to make the o/line as good as it could be as fast as it could be and moses worked out well

anything else is speculation

and yes i see your point i just dont agree with it

You draft a guy #5 overall as a tackle he should least start at RT never mind LT.

 

[skinsdad62]

You draft a guy #5 overall as a tackle he should least start at RT never mind LT.

you draft a guy number 5 overall to be what you need him to be not some predetermined BS people want to throw out

i doubt anyone in the FO cares if he is a OG or RT

 

[deanpet21]

you draft a guy number 5 overall to be what you need him to be not some predetermined BS people want to throw out

i doubt anyone in the FO cares if he is a OG or RT

They don't now b/c Moses stepped up big time. If Moses failed at TC and Sherff had to step in at Rt and failed. You don't think SM would of caught flak for the draft pick? C'mon man. Didn't Trent Williams drafted #4 overall come in and start at tackle right away? YES!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

They don't now b/c Moses stepped up big time. If Moses failed at TC and Sherff had to step in at Rt and failed. You don't think SM would of caught flak for the draft pick? C'mon man. Didn't Trent Williams drafted #4 overall come in and start at tackle right away? YES!!!

there is no evidence that sherf couldnt play RT certainly not after 8 weeks

who cares if he caught flak for the pick ? the kid is on the verge of being an all pro guard

rush to judgement dean again

 

[deanpet21]

there is no evidence that sherf couldnt play RT certainly not after 8 weeks

who cares if he caught flak for the pick ? the kid is on the verge of being an all pro guard

rush to judgement dean again

Im not debating that he wont be a great guard. There was evidence in training camp and was recognized by other Redskin writers. You just refuse to believe it. We are just damn lucky that its all working out.

 

[gkekoa]

Dean...you fail to understand Dad's point. 8 weeks of TC does not a career make.

 

[skinsdad62]

Im not debating that he wont be a great guard. There was evidence in training camp and was recognized by other Redskin writers. You just refuse to believe it. We are just damn lucky that its all working out.

are we going back to the writers /pundits BS again ? my opinion is as good as theirs

 

[deanpet21]

Dean...you fail to understand Dad's point. 8 weeks of TC does not a career make.

I agree but he is not even the 3rd OT on the roster. It was Nske last year. A lot of people on here were banging the table saying that he was a tackle. I refused and I got slammed. I know skinsdad did admit he was going to be a OG.

 

[deanpet21]

are we going back to the writers /pundits BS again ? my opinion is as good as theirs

True but I am just pointing out that I'm not coming out of left field here.

 

[j_y19]

Dean, seriously, how about actually reading what folks write. To write a rookie off because he struggled in the first weeks of TC at a position is ludicrous. Especially since he was a RT in college and he was switching to the other side. There is a shit load of evidence that almost all rookies struggle at first and many survive it. Your man crush moses sure did his first year. The fact is that we don't know if he could be just as effective at LT as he has proven to be at LG. The guy is a stud, so my money would be on that he would have come around. Did having moses show marked improvement his second year allow the team to switch Scherff to G? Of course. But that doesn't mean that Scherff would not have made a very good T in the NFL.

Once again, this is all about Dean looking for recognition on his BFF, Moses.

 

[deanpet21]

Dean, seriously, how about actually reading what folks write. To write a rookie off because he struggled in the first weeks of TC at a position is ludicrous. Especially since he was a RT in college and he was switching to the other side. There is a shit load of evidence that almost all rookies struggle at first and many survive it. Your man crush moses sure did his first year. The fact is that we don't know if he could be just as effective at LT as he has proven to be at LG. The guy is a stud, so my money would be on that he would have come around. Did having moses show marked improvement his second year allow the team to switch Scherff to G? Of course. But that doesn't mean that Scherff would not have made a very good T in the NFL.

Once again, this is all about Dean looking for recognition on his BFF, Moses.

Little early calling Scherf a stud. Its been well documented that Scherff struggled with speed rushers in college. Draft pundits did say he had slow foot speed and his best position would be OG. All that came true in the pros. Im not writing of the player. I hope he is a great guard. Plus Moses was coming off a major foot surgery and still made his claim for RT. I think that is a lot more impressive.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sounds like if we don't agree with one or two peoples opinion that we don't understand.

I said this last year when this was brought up, who is the greatest Olineman in Skins history. To me it is Russ Grimm. I believe he played guard.

Again another point that has been brought up 937539453953935394 times and if we don't agree there will be 934753957395395 more posts saying "I WAS RIGHT."

In keeping with dad's infamous words "and yes i see your point i just dont agree with it."

 

[Ruzious]

You got that the other way around. Moses helped out Sherff. IF Moses failed in training camp that would mean that Scherff would have to be forced in at RT. When Scherff played RT in training camp he was consistently getting beat. Most draft experts said he had slow foot speed and said that he would have to be an NFL guard. People on here insisted that he was a tackle.

So to sum up I believe Moses saved this oline and SM for being ridiculed b/c it was more likely that Scherff would of failed at RT vs RG in year 1. The impact of Moses made Sherff take the RG position which is better suited for his strengths like his power and doesn't have to worry about his foot speed. This was also brought to attention in a article that skinsdad posted but many people on here refused to believe it.

Well, we both made valid points. I was correct, and you were right to point out that Moses also helped Scherff. Still, it was obvious that Moses badly needed someone to push him, and just drafting a guy 5th in the draft to take your position will tend to do that... It sent a message loud and clear to Moses. It also sent a message to Moses as to what kind of attitude GMSM wants in his players - he wants people like Scherff.

 

[Sportster 72]

Going into the 2015 season most on here often talked about improving the right side of the line. It appears they did that. Who cares where they were drafted, if they were drafted or they fell out of the sky. It makes no difference to me.

 

[skinsdad62]

Going into the 2015 season most on here often talked about improving the right side of the line. It appears they did that. Who cares where they were drafted, if they were drafted or they fell out of the sky. It makes no difference to me.

It's about being right with some people ; celebrate we have fixed an eyesore and move on

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

there is no evidence that sherf couldnt play RT certainly not after 8 weeks

who cares if he caught flak for the pick ? the kid is on the verge of being an all pro guard

rush to judgement dean again

Nobody is claiming Scherff couldn't play RT, we are discussing the issue of playing it well enough to justify using the 5th pick And the truth is there is plenty of evidence. It started long before the draft as nearly every draft report we read said there were concerns, primarily questioning if he had the quick feet necessary to play on the outside. We heard from a Hawkeyes fan who said the same thing. The reports of his struggles early in camp is yet more evidence, as was his slide to guard which clearly implies Moses was probably playing better.

While I agree with you 8 week is not enough time to draw any final conclussions. And again we all love Brandon Scherff and agree he could be an all pro guard very soon. But that's not what we are disussing. We are discussing the if this evidence even exists and clearly it does. You may not agree with the evidence but that does not mean it does not exist.

 

[j_y19]

Sorry

Nobody is claiming Scherff couldn't play RT, we are discussing the issue of playing it well enough to justify using the 5th pick And the truth is there is plenty of evidence. It started long before the draft as nearly every draft report we read said there were concerns, primarily questioning if he had the quick feet necessary to play on the outside. We heard from a Hawkeyes fan who said the same thing. The reports of his struggles early in camp is yet more evidence, as was his slide to guard which clearly implies Moses was probably playing better.

While I agree with you 8 week is not enough time your claim that there wasn't any evidence at all simply is not true. You may not agree with the evidence but that does not mean it does not exist.

DGF, but dean is arguing that Schreff couldn't play right tackle. Not sure how you don't see that. What no-one is arguing is that Moses' play did improve in his second year. Just like most rookies. One could reasonably expect that Schreff's play will also improve, wether he was playing G or T.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sorry

DGF, but dean is arguing that Schreff couldn't play right tackle. Not sure how you don't see that. What no-one is arguing is that Moses' play did improve in his second year. Just like most rookies. One could reasonably expect that Schreff's play will also improve, wether he was playing G or T.

And Dad is arguing that there was no evidence that he couldn't play it and that was what I was addressing. Clearly that evidence exists, that was my point.

 

[j_y19]

And Dad is arguing that there was no evidence that he couldn't play it and thatnwas what I was addressing? Clearly that evidence exists, not sure how you don't see that.

The only evidence that exists is that he was struggling in the first few weeks. Like almost all rookies do. How one can extrapolate that he would or would not overcome those struggles is pure conjecture. Moses struggled his entire first year. But he came around. Why isn't it possible that Schreff could also. Im not arguing he could or he couldn't. Im arguing that it was way too early to claim him a bust at any position.

DGF, you don't have the benefit of history with Dean. His position has nothing to do with Schreff and everything to do with his claims about Moses in the 2015 draft and wanting to be proved right. Oh and his claim was that we should have taken him in the 2nd, over Murphy, even after we got him in the 3rd.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

The only evidence that exists is that he was struggling in the first few weeks. Like almost all rookies do. How one can extrapolate that he would or would not overcome those struggles is pure conjecture. Moses struggled his entire first year. But he came around. Why isn't it possible that Schreff could also. Im not arguing he could or he couldn't. Im arguing that it was way too early to claim him a bust at any position.

DGF, you don't have the benefit of history with Dean. His position has nothing to do with Schreff and everything to do with his claims about Moses in the 2015 draft and wanting to be proved right. Oh and his claim was that we should have taken him in the 2nd, over Murphy, even after we got him in the 3rd.

I don't care about Dean's history, frankly I'm getting a little annoyed that every point he has tried to make is instantly dismissed because of it. And from my view he appeared to be correct, Moses has obviously been a better player than Murphy.

And saying the only evidence we have is those first 8 weeks is simply not true. Again he came into the draft with very real concerns about his feet. And again you may not agree with this evaluation, even though they have proven to have merit, but denying it exists is nonsense. Do I really need to post pre draft links? Again it's not gospell but it is evidence.