Salty Chiefs?

[iknowftbll]

The Kansas City Chiefs have proposed a rule change. It's hard to believe this proposal is rooted in anything other than bitterness. It must suck to have to watch the Broncos in 2 of the last 3 years produce the same Super Bowl record as the Chiefs have in the entire existence of their franchise, but the solution should be to become a better team.

Enjoy!

Peyton proposal? Chiefs seek pass rule change

 

[WalkerBoh]

Bunch of freaking wimps. They weren't even playing the game in question.

 

[SpiritOf77]

I do see some merit in passing a rule like this, as defenders are so limited in what they can do to a QB .. I mean, if a QB is on the ground with all of what is going on, they may not know if he's given himself up, or been touched or what ..

When a QB takes off and runs, gets past the LOS and then slides on his own, the play is dead ... But if he's in the backfield and drops down, all of a sudden you have defenders who will be thinking about hitting him or not hitting him ..

On that play in question, I am convinced Manning gave himself up and was taking the self sack .. When he realized the play was not dead, he got up and threw the ball ..... But what was a defender supposed to do - pancake on top of him before he got up ?

The rules (over)protecting QBs have opened a Pandora's Box

 

[Mingo]

No big deal - if a QB falls down or goes down to avoid a sack - just touch the guy - let's keep some semblance of the game of football.

 

[WalkerBoh]

If the NFL is going to pass this rule (which gladly it seems they will not), they might as well just revert to college rules.

Like Mingo said, just train defenders to touch the guy who goes down. This should apply to slides too IMO.

 

[cdumler7]

Some of the rule changes are just down right ridiculous this year. With this rule this would mean every time a QB is tripped by his OL player he is just automatically down. Just leave this rule like it is.

The Bills proposed that a team can challenge any play throughout the game. I mean can you imagine every single play having to be stopped to be looked at. The game would become unbearable to watch.

The intentional grounding rule is another. The Panthers want a rule that if a QB is under pressure even if they are outside the pocket that they cannot throw it away. I mean what is under pressure? If a QB gets flushed from the pocket good chance they are being chased by somebody so almost every single throw away then is intentional grounding.


Now I will say I do like some of the rule change ideas. I do think all 53 players should be active on game day. Seems stupid if you are paying the players anyway and care about player safety then having a bigger roster to work with should help out with some of that.

I also like the rule of eliminating Over Time in the Pre Season. Again another good move for player safety and no reason for fans to endure extra time of watching the 3rd and 4th string guys fight it out in a meaningless game.

Finally if they are going to pass the 2 Personal Fouls leads to ejections rule then I do agree they should make Personal Fouls reviewable. Nothing worse than a player doing his job making a completely legal big hit over the middle to have a flag thrown on him because the official couldn't tell if it was a hit to the head or body. These guys are flying around at ridiculous speeds so to expect these officials to make such a judgment call just seems unrealistic. When you throw in that those penalties are huge game changers with the distance in penalty yards and say now they are that they can get a good player ejected it makes sense to make them reviewable.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Can't say I care for that particular proposal. Quite a few of these just seem like posturing. It's not exactly new that proposed rules are just being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. I will say I have argued for the following rule change for a pretty long time now:

11. Add penalty yards to the distance needed for a first down. This is actually an interesting rule proposal by the Chiefs that would mostly be enforced when a team has the ball near its own end zone.

Under current rules, if Kansas City has the ball first-and-10 on its own 10-yard line and gets hit with a holding call, the Chiefs would be penalized five yards because it's a half-the-distance to the goal line foul.

Under the rule proposal, the Chiefs would move five yards back AND the down marker would be moved five yards so that the Chiefs would be facing first-and-20, just as they would if they had been called for holding anywhere else on the field. Basically, on the next play, the Chiefs would snap it from their 5-yard line and would now have to get to the 25 for a first down, instead of the 20.

 

[cdumler7]

Can't say I care for that particular proposal. Quite a few of these just seem like posturing. It's not exactly new that proposed rules are just being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. I will say I have argued for the following rule change for a pretty long time now:

Didn't that possible rule show up in the Chiefs/Patriots game where their returner did a cheap shot near the goal line on a punt and it only cost them like a yard for a personal foul?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Didn't that possible rule show up in the Chiefs/Patriots game where their returner did a cheap shot near the goal line on a punt and it only cost them like a yard for a personal foul?

Correct, which I am going to guess precipitated the proposal. At the same time though as someone who has argued this for years, it's pretty darn annoying to see that go against you in a playoff game.

 

[cdumler7]

Correct, which I am going to guess precipitated the proposal. At the same time though as someone who has argued this for years, it's pretty darn annoying to see that go against you in a playoff game.

Oh Understand. I remember watching that game and thinking that at the very least that player should be kicked out or something as that was a huge player safety issue on that play and it didn't cost the Patriots jack squat. It could have cost the Chiefs a valuable player though. Needs to be more penalty in that situation.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I am actually surprised this rule doesn't already exist.

Doesn't mean that I agree with it.

 

[Broncos6482]

It's a really dumb proposal. If you aren't sure if a qb is down, just touch him. You won't get a penalty and you don't have to worry about him getting up and completing a pass to Emmanuel Sanders.

 

[SpiritOf77]

It is easy to say "just touch the QB" if he is on the ground .. When defenders are going all-out, being blocked and cut from every angle, the speed of the game and the split second decision making required is enough to overload a player - and then he's got to worry about drawing a 15 yard flag because a QB has dropped to the ground, or tripped or maybe even has been knocked down rendering the play dead ...

Throwing passes in certain places to draw a PI call has become something QBs have tried to perfect .. Over time, QBs will begin to attempt to draw penalties by dropping down and baiting a defender to hit them ..

My point is that the defenders are already at a disadvantage because of all the rules protecting the QB and even the receivers ... and now they've got to deal with QBs - who are already being coddled - pulling a Bambi ..

 

[cdumler7]

It is easy to say "just touch the QB" if he is on the ground .. When defenders are going all-out, being blocked and cut from every angle, the speed of the game and the split second decision making required is enough to overload a player - and then he's got to worry about drawing a 15 yard flag because a QB has dropped to the ground, or tripped or maybe even has been knocked down rendering the play dead ...

Throwing passes in certain places to draw a PI call has become something QBs have tried to perfect .. Over time, QBs will begin to attempt to draw penalties by dropping down and baiting a defender to hit them ..

My point is that the defenders are already at a disadvantage because of all the rules protecting the QB and even the receivers ... and now they've got to deal with QBs - who are already being coddled - pulling a Bambi ..

But this isn't a "NOW" issue. They have been able to do this for a very long time. Plenty of QB's have been tripped by their OL player fallen down and got back up to attempt a pass. This isn't some new rule that has come in saying QB's can NOW get up when they go to the ground. Yes the play in the playoffs was a close call of whether he was trying to declare himself down or not but there are plenty of close calls every game. We keep adding more and more rules though making it that much harder for these officials. To me I would rather see rules taken out than added at this point.

 

[Mingo]

QBs have been using their status for years now - lots of plays happen every year - when the defense "touches" the down QB.

On this play - Manning happened to fall parallel to the LOS, but there were no players near him when he was down the Chief's Allen and Manning had momentum in opposite directions. If the ball had touched the ground - the play would have been dead.

 

[58crash]

to damn many rules ! No kicking... No Biting.. No Scratching...

The no fun league..;.

I think grey tape should be put on KC's mouth ..

If you want to intact a good Rule .. DB's should go back to anything goes .. and Holding on passing should net no more that 15 yards ..

 

[Clayton]

Its weird people are focusing on this rule just because it gives the internet an excuse to say Peyton Manning.

The other rule changes have major implications

 

[iknowftbll]

If you can't coach a player to touch a QB when he's on the ground you need either better players or better coaches. Not a rule change. There's enough rules already. This game is getting hard to watch at times because the rules and refs are becoming an increasing part of the game. It shouldn't be that way. On a bang-bang play like this it's better to touch the guy down than leave it in the hands of the refs to decide.

 

[SpiritOf77]

I understand the points being made here, and I don't disagree .

I just hate to see defensive fire being so curtailed by the fear of penalties - esp after what the Broncos D was last year ..

It is no coincidence that our D drew so many personal foul calls considering how aggressive they were - it comes with the territory . .

I don't even know the current rule, but - for example - if a QB were to trip and go to the ground own his own - without contact from another player - and a defender were to fall on top of him - is that a penalty ?? ... Does it matter if he is behind the LOS ?? ..

 

[SpiritOf77]

On a related note:

The Chiefs sign a Lithuanian discus thrower who has never played a down of football in his life .. He's projected as a LB .

Chiefs sign Lithuanian discus thrower Tautvydas Kieras