Joe Mixon video might be made public

[romeo212000]

Your quote, from the source. Don't care if she is a woman or not. If you assault someone, expect it in return. That's bullshit.

But keep fucking lying and claiming you didn't say it is ok to hit a woman because she hit you first.

Again, go give your diploma back. He said you should EXPECT reciprocation. Not that it was ACCEPTABLE OR TOLERABLE.

 

[fordman84]

You did when you made the sarcastic comment that she "got off with a broken face". You are stating @KnightAndDay saying Mixon's actions are acceptable given the circumstances. He is not and has not said that.

No, you were implying she got nothing out of the ordeal. She got a broken face. I never said "and that is all she should get" or anything like it.

 

[romeo212000]

He was given deferred sentencing, which is not a conviction. It means that if he stays out of trouble for a year and does 100 hours community service, and the State dismisses before sentencing. It's never a conviction, and it's not even what we call an SIS (a conviction for purposes of future crimes, but not for the public record). It is a pre-arranged dismissal provided he doesn't fuck up.

It's a fair sentencing all things considered. If you're going to bitch about it, at least be indignant that the individual who started the physical altercation was never charged, let alone convicted also.

 

[romeo212000]

No, you were implying she got nothing out of the ordeal. She got a broken face. I never said "and that is all she should get" or anything like it.

I said she received no formal or legal punishment, which she deserved.

 

[fordman84]

Again, go give your diploma back.

I get that you are mad because your team is in the corsshairs here, but you are the one that is in the wrong. KnightandDay clearly says that if a woman hits a man, the man can hit her back. He even goes as far as to say that he doesn't care what either is capable of.

Let that sink in..."don't care what either are capable of". That is lowlife scumbag shit right there, and you look like an asshole for defending him. Defend your player, I get that. But this dude is saying that no matter what size the girl is that hits you, and what your own capabilities are that if she hits you then you can hit her back. Are you fucking kidding me that you are defending that neanderthal attitude? So a 5'2 girl that ways 100# hits me, me standing 6'1" 195# can pull back and hit her back. THat is EXACTLY what he said and I quoted it.

 

[romeo212000]

Question: Would you be so indignant if this happened with a little 115 pound squirt of a college kid in the exact same situation? If you're being fair and just, your answer should be yes.

 

[fordman84]

Question: Would you be so indignant if this happened with a little 115 pound squirt of a college kid in the exact same situation? If you're being fair and just, your answer should be yes.

115 pound guy got hit by a girl?

 

[romeo212000]

I get that you are mad because your team is in the corsshairs here, but you are the one that is in the wrong. KnightandDay clearly says that if a woman hits a man, the man can hit her back. He even goes as far as to say that he doesn't care what either is capable of.

Let that sink in..."don't care what either are capable of". That is lowlife scumbag shit right there, and you look like an asshole for defending him. Defend your player, I get that. But this dude is saying that no matter what size the girl is that hits you, and what your own capabilities are that if she hits you then you can hit her back. Are you fucking kidding me that you are defending that neanderthal attitude? So a 5'2 girl that ways 100# hits me, me standing 6'1" 195# can pull back and hit her back. THat is EXACTLY what he said and I quoted it.

No he didn't. Your wrong or your slandering his words. Either way, I'm calling you on it. I've pointed out why multiple times and you continue to ignore it.

You don't get it. This isn't about football or the Sooners. It's about right and wrong and I have said as much multiple times. This isn't about "my team".

 

[romeo212000]

115 pound guy got hit by a girl?

No. Replace the girl with a 115 pound 19 year old kid.

 

[KnightAndDay]

Your quote, from the source. Don't care if she is a woman or not. If you assault someone, expect it in return. That's bullshit.

But keep fucking lying and claiming you didn't say it is ok to hit a woman because she hit you first.

The word "assault" doesn't necessarily mean hitting/striking someone.

I never said the words "If she hits you, you can hit her back".

It wasn't what I said and it wasn't what I meant.

 

[fordman84]

No he didn't. Your wrong or your slandering his words. Either way, I'm calling you on it. I've pointed out why multiple times and you continue to ignore it.

You don't get it. This isn't about football or the Sooners. It's about right and wrong and I have said as much multiple times. This isn't about "my team".

Take his quote, post it here, and tell me where I'm wrong. You just saying I'm wrong doesn't make it true.

 

[fordman84]

The word "assault" doesn't necessarily mean hitting/striking someone.

I never said the words "If she hits you, you can hit her back".

It wasn't what I said and it wasn't what I meant.

Cut the cop out bullshit moving of the goalposts. you know that is EXACTLY what you meant. What the fuck else did you mean about assualt? You think we are talking about vehicular assault here? No, you spouted off like a fucking caveman and I called your ass on it. You attempted to say that I'm in the wrong here and lying about what you said. I quoted it and you just fucking realized that what you wrote is some lowlife bullshit and now trying to play some fucking childish "assault doesn't mean hit" bullshit.

Just shut the fuck up while you aren't even ahead. You are a fucking asshole of the highest caliber and I'm sick of your shit.

 

[romeo212000]

Take his quote, post it here, and tell me where I'm wrong. You just saying I'm wrong doesn't make it true.

I already have addressed that exact quote.

Again, go give your diploma back. He said you should EXPECT reciprocation. Not that it was ACCEPTABLE OR TOLERABLE.

 

[fordman84]

No. Replace the girl with a 115 pound 19 year old kid.

kid? So you mean boy? A small man hits a larger man, then he's a dumbshit and is gonna get his ass beat. No, I wouldn't be as indignant. I would however hold Mixon just as responsible for breaking the kids face.

It's no doubt a double standard. In the same vein I wouldn't think some guy a punk for not giving his seat up for a 115# guy but I would if he refused for a girl. It's just the way things are.

 

[Smart]

It's a fair sentencing all things considered. If you're going to bitch about it, at least be indignant that the individual who started the physical altercation was never charged, let alone convicted also.

In a case with video, she should have been charged if she initiates the altercation. I said as much. I don't know what else you want me to say there.

But based on the only reporter description of events, it isn't clear she ever used disproportionate force. The account is: "After a brief discussion, Mixon looks as if he's going to walk away, but looks like he says something as he turns. (1.) Molitor then pushes Mixon, setting off a quick series of events that were over in three seconds.(2.) Mixon reacts to the push by lunging at Molitor with a closed fist at his side. (3.) She reacts by slapping Mixon near where his jaw and neck meet on his left side." And of course, there is (4.) Mixon punches her.

(1) is close. It is rare to charge a push where it doesn't lead to an injury. The only push trial I've ever had featured a Victim pushed into a glass table (which broke). A lot depends on how aggressive it was. Additionally, we don't know what Mixon said. If he said something remotely threatening, an action as weak as a push is likely justified.

(2.) Putting someone in apprehension of immediate physical injury is technically an assault (in my state, at least). But you would never charge it in a situation where he was pushed. This is probably proportionate.

(3.) She slaps him in response to the lunge. The issue here is timing. If Mixon is still coming at her, it is clearly justified. If Mixon has come at her but he is close enough for her to be scared, it is close, but likely justified. If he is walking away, it is clearly an assault. Considering the whole incident happened in three seconds, this was likely justified.

(4.) No question at all that nothing about punching a much weaker person in the face for a slap is disproportionate.

Also, (4) is the only felony. So all things considered, I don't think their two situations are identical. She may not have committed a crime, and if she did, it was not near as bad as Mixon's.

 

[romeo212000]

She is not a victim. Period. End of discussion.


I don't give a shit if she's a woman or not, or what either person's capable of.


You verbally and physically assault someone, expect it in return.

Again, go give your diploma back. He said you should EXPECT reciprocation. Not that it was ACCEPTABLE OR TOLERABLE.

 

[romeo212000]

kid? So you mean boy? A small man hits a larger man, then he's a dumbshit and is gonna get his ass beat. No, I wouldn't be as indignant. I would however hold Mixon just as responsible for breaking the kids face.

It's no doubt a double standard. In the same vein I wouldn't think some guy a punk for not giving his seat up for a 115# guy but I would if he refused for a girl. It's just the way things are.

And it's bull shit. It's letting her hide behind her gender and it's bull shit.

 

[fordman84]

And it's bull shit. It's letting her hide behind her gender and it's bull shit.

ok.

it's bullshit. Still the way it is in civilized society. YOU DON'T HIT A WOMAN. End of story.

 

[romeo212000]

ok.

it's bullshit. Still the way it is in civilized society. YOU DON'T HIT A WOMAN. End of story.

And that is why more and more women are getting big brass balls and thinking they can hit a man, and expect no response. Because of this mindset.

Let me be clear. Mixon was NOT JUSTIFIED. He escalated the physical force to dangerous and unjustifiable levels. With that said, if some chick like the dumb bitch at my uncle's high school thinks she's man enough to bare knuckle box with me or any other man, she deserves what she gets. Again, let me be clear. I am not saying that applies to this situation. IT DOES NOT. But absolute statements are foolish. Anybody has a right to defend themselves from anyone, regardless of gender.

 

[romeo212000]

In a case with video, she should have been charged if she initiates the altercation. I said as much. I don't know what else you want me to say there.

But based on the only reporter description of events, it isn't clear she ever used disproportionate force. The account is: "After a brief discussion, Mixon looks as if he's going to walk away, but looks like he says something as he turns. (1.) Molitor then pushes Mixon, setting off a quick series of events that were over in three seconds.(2.) Mixon reacts to the push by lunging at Molitor with a closed fist at his side. (3.) She reacts by slapping Mixon near where his jaw and neck meet on his left side." And of course, there is (4.) Mixon punches her.

(1) is close. It is rare to charge a push where it doesn't lead to an injury. The only push trial I've ever had featured a Victim pushed into a glass table (which broke). A lot depends on how aggressive it was. Additionally, we don't know what Mixon said. If he said something remotely threatening, an action as weak as a push is likely justified.

(2.) Putting someone in apprehension of immediate physical injury is technically an assault (in my state, at least). But you would never charge it in a situation where he was pushed. This is probably proportionate.

(3.) She slaps him in response to the lunge. The issue here is timing. If Mixon is still coming at her, it is clearly justified. If Mixon has come at her but he is close enough for her to be scared, it is close, but likely justified. If he is walking away, it is clearly an assault. Considering the whole incident happened in three seconds, this was likely justified.

(4.) No question at all that nothing about punching a much weaker person in the face for a slap is disproportionate.

Also, (4) is the only felony. So all things considered, I don't think their two situations are identical. She may not have committed a crime, and if she did, it was not near as bad as Mixon's.

Again, you're making a lot of assumptions without knowing anything about the case aside from what has been discussed in here, and without seeing the video. You want to know why the DA did what he did? Call him and ask him. I'm sure he'd be more inclined to tell you than me.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Again, I have never excuses his actions. Understanding his actions and excusing them are not the same thing. I have said over and over he made multiple bad decisions to put himself in that position in the first place. Plus, what a shitty group of friends to let that happen around him and not intervene. Again, I am not the least bit convinced so many of you up on your high horse would've shown the restraint you're lynching him for not showing at his age and in his situation. My issue is and always has been that she initiated physical assault and was not charged also.

Who is to blame for the altercation starting in the first place? Also, why in the world would he fake throwing a punch at a girl in the first place.

There has to be something missing in all this. I hope they release the video so we can view it. Seems as how some describe it -- she should have been charged. When others describe it, it makes ensemble why she wasn't.
In the end -- I'm in the group where you don't hit a female ever. That is how I was brought up.
Part of me feels bad for Mixon, but he has no one to blame but himself. He is going to lose so much over such an absolutely ridiculous situation.