Alfred Morris

[SoCalWizFan]

Nobody said anybody would give up a first...the question was IF it was offered.

Well IF that is the case - yes I would make the trade since you could find an excellent RB in the draft during the next few years. However - it will never happen. Trent Richardson pretty much guaranteed that NOBODY will be trading a 1st rounder for a RB (not named AP) for a very, very long time.

BTW - I believe that your proposed scenario involved the Falcons. As it now stands the Falcons are one of the last teams that needs an elite RB rt now (at least to the pt of trading even a mid round pick in exchange).

 

[gkekoa]

Many more eh. Than it shouldn't be hard for you to name five of the many more Pro Bowl RBs. The Skins had during the days of the Hogs after Riggo retired in 1985 should it. .

Ernest Byner twice and Terry Allen once. How long do you think an NFL RB career actually is? You want five different people behind the same OL? I had to look it up but Riggins only made one Pro Bowl and that was when he was with the Jets. Granted in 1983 he was first team AP so I am not sure how you don't make the PB there.

You may even add Stephen Davis to that and he did it twice.

Riggo was one of the most unique characters, if not the most unique character, in all of professional football during his career. That includes his time with the Jets, well before he became a Redskin. He was also the biggest reason the Skins won their first SB championship and that's not debatable. And that was after he told Joe Gibbs to put on him and he'd lead the Skins to the promise land. And that's when he became a certifiable mega-star. What makes Riggo even motherfuckin cooler as if that was possible. Is that at no time did any of it go to his head, make him an ass0, or even change him. That's some rarified and impressive shit right there. I'm not gonna front and say the Hogs had no role in that, they most certainly did, but Riggo was the straw that stirred the drink. .[/QUOTE]

I don't care how unique the character is. I care about winning and replacing them with another winner. 1988- Timmy Smith 204 yards rushing
1992- 121 yards for Ervins and Byner



.[/QUOTE]If you're gonna say stupid shit. At least come up with the stupid shit on your own as opposed to repeating some stupid shit someone else said.[/QUOTE]

I guarantee I am the most free thinking person on this site. I didn't repeat a damn thing of another person.
90s All decade team Mark Stepnoski and Larry Allen
Erik Williams 1993, 1996 AP
Nate Newton 1994, 1995 AP
Larry Allen 1996-2001 AP

92 PB- Newton and Stepnoski
93 PB- Newton, Stepnoski, Williams
94 PB- Tuinei, Stepnoski, Newton
95 PB- Donaldson, Tuinei, Allen, Newton...4 OUT OF 5 OL IN PB
96 PB- Newton, Donaldson, Allen, Williams...AGAIN
97 PB- Williams and Allen
98 PB- Newton and Allen
99 PB- Williams and Allen
00 PB- only Larry Allen


These are the facts. They are undeniable. If you want to say Emmitt did it and nobody else could have...then you are a fool.

 

[gkekoa]

Well IF that is the case - yes I would make the trade since you could find an excellent RB in the draft during the next few years. However - it will never happen. Trent Richardson pretty much guaranteed that NOBODY will be trading a 1st rounder for a RB (not named AP) for a very, very long time.

BTW - I believe that your proposed scenario involved the Falcons. As it now stands the Falcons are one of the last teams that needs an elite RB rt now (at least to the pt of trading even a mid round pick in exchange).

Yeah...I made that post before Freeman went off the last two weeks. Oh well.

 

[j_y19]

Nobody said anybody would give up a first...the question was IF it was offered.

That minor point got lost in this whole discussion. It was kinda material.

 

[gkekoa]

Exactly...nobody reads anymore. It is very sad.

 

[Breed]

Ernest Byner twice and Terry Allen once. How long do you think an NFL RB career actually is? You want five different people behind the same OL? I had to look it up but Riggins only made one Pro Bowl and that was when he was with the Jets. Granted in 1983 he was first team AP so I am not sure how you don't make the PB there.

You may even add Stephen Davis to that and he did it twice.

The OL that blocked for John Riggins didn't block for Stephen Davis. And the length of a RB's career is completely irrelevant to what you claimed which was.................After Riggo, we had many more Pro Bowl RBs behind that OL.........................

Even using fuzzy math, 2, or 3 for that matter. Do not add up to many more. Lets just say you were wrong and leave it at that.

I don't care how unique the character is. I care about winning and replacing them with another winner. 1988- Timmy Smith 204 yards rushing 1992- 121 yards for Ervins and Byner

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the above quote, but that's OK. Cuz I don't think you know either. Are you trying to equate Timmy Smith to John Riggins because of the game Smith had in the Super Bowl? By that logic, Trent Dilfer, Phil Simms,and Doug Williams, are all superior QBs to Dan Marino. I got nothin, but love for EB and I like Ervins as well, but they don't compare with Riggo either. Not as far as Redskin lore is concerned

Just a FYI stat. John Riggins had more rushing yards and more rushing TDs in 4 1981 postseason games than Timmy Smith had in his entire season career which lasted all of 3 years. Smith does hold the SB record for most rushing yards in the SB to this day, but he in no way compares to John Riggins in any shape, form or fashion.

I guarantee I am the most free thinking person on this site. I didn't repeat a damn thing of another person.
90s All decade team Mark Stepnoski and Larry Allen
Erik Williams 1993, 1996 AP
Nate Newton 1994, 1995 AP00
Larry Allen 1996-2001 AP

92 PB- Newton and Stepnoski
93 PB- Newton, Stepnoski, Williams
94 PB- Tuinei, Stepnoski, Newton
95 PB- Donaldson, Tuinei, Allen, Newton...4 OUT OF 5 OL IN PB
96 PB- Newton, Donaldson, Allen, Williams...AGAIN
97 PB- Williams and Allen
98 PB- Newton and Allen
99 PB- Williams and Allen
00 PB- only Larry Allen


These are the facts. They are undeniable. If you want to say Emmitt did it and nobody else could have...then you are a fool.

So you came up with that fantasy football-like nonsense of "Emmitt Smith frequently never getting touched by a defender till he was 5 yards beyond the LOS." eh. You should've gotten it trademarked then cuz I've heard it multiple times on message boards, in bars, and from talking heads on NFLN. Its akin to the old "He's a 25 carry a game RB." saying which is too say its total bulshit. In the entirety of NFL history. A RB carrying the ball 400 times or more in a season has happened 5 times.

And if accolades are your measuring stick.......Emmitt is an 8 time pro bowler, 4 time 1st team all pro, 4 time 2nd team all pro, rookie of the year, two time NFL MVP, a Super Bowl MVP, and the only Dallas Cowboy on the 1st team 1990 All Decade team. And I never said no other RB couldn't do what Emmitt did, so don't put words in my mouth. Emmitt isn't the best ever NFL RB imo, hell, he wasn't even the best RB of his era. He was as I said though, a straight up stud. Who also ran for 1000 or more yards 11 seasons in a row, has more career rushing yards, more rushing TDs, and more 100 yard games than any other RB in NFL history. That's not me saying that and its not me repeatedly bitch-slapping the shit out your ass either. Its NFL history and undeniable fact doing that to you, homey.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Exactly...nobody reads anymore. It is very sad.

You made a thought provoking thread - make no mistake. However - this is the last type of forum where you would expect the argument to continue in that manner. You are also talking about non-verbal discussion which gets misinterpreted most of the time. Your type of discussion is better suited for in person discussion where people are more civil & clarification is much easier.

 

[gkekoa]

You made a thought provoking thread - make no mistake. However - this is the last type of forum where you would expect the argument to continue in that manner. You are also talking about non-verbal discussion which gets misinterpreted most of the time. Your type of discussion is better suited for in person discussion where people are more civil & clarification is much easier.

True but I don't know any of you. I am a Redskins fan in FL...nobody here gives a crap about the Redskins.

 

[gkekoa]

The OL that blocked for John Riggins didn't block for Stephen Davis. And the length of a RB's career is completely irrelevant to what you claimed which was.................After Riggo, we had many more Pro Bowl RBs behind that OL.........................

Even using fuzzy math, 2, or 3 for that matter. Do not add up to many more. Lets just say you were wrong and leave it at that..

Well 2 more PB RBs that made 3 PBs when Riggo made none kind of proves me right, depending on comprehension. You specified running behind the HOGS and Riggins didn't even run behind the same 5 people the whole time he was here. The HOGS existed well into the 90s but I won't quibble about where it stopped.

The length of the career matters because you asked me to name 5 behind one OL. The only way that would be possible is RB careers of only a year or 2. You can't even follow your own conversation.




.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what you're trying to say in the above quote, but that's OK. Cuz I don't think you know either. Are you trying to equate Timmy Smith to John Riggins because of the game Smith had in the Super Bowl? By that logic, Trent Dilfer, Phil Simms,and Doug Williams, are all superior QBs to Dan Marino. I got nothin, but love for EB and I like Ervins as well, but they don't compare with Riggo either. Not as far as Redskin lore is concerned

Just a FYI stat. John Riggins had more rushing yards and more rushing TDs in 4 1981 postseason games than Timmy Smith had in his entire season career which lasted all of 3 years. Smith does hold the SB record for most rushing yards in the SB to this day, but he in no way compares to John Riggins in any shape, form or fashion..[/QUOTE]

You really are slow aren't you? I was equating winning SBs where Riggins had one. Timmy Smith starred in the SB and got a ring. Am I saying Smith is better than Riggins...nope. I am saying we didn't need Riggins to win the SB.



So you came up with that fantasy football-like nonsense of "Emmitt Smith frequently never getting touched by a defender till he was 5 yards beyond the LOS." eh. You should've gotten it trademarked then cuz I've heard it multiple times on message boards, in bars, and from talking heads on NFLN. Its akin to the old "He's a 25 carry a game RB." saying which is too say its total bulshit. In the entirety of NFL history. A RB carrying the ball 400 times or more in a season has happened 5 times.

And if accolades are your measuring stick.......Emmitt is an 8 time pro bowler, 4 time 1st team all pro, 4 time 2nd team all pro, rookie of the year, two time NFL MVP, a Super Bowl MVP, and the only Dallas Cowboy on the 1st team 1990 All Decade team. And I never said no other RB couldn't do what Emmitt did, so don't put words in my mouth. Emmitt isn't the best ever NFL RB imo, hell, he wasn't even the best RB of his era. He was as I said though, a straight up stud. Who also ran for 1000 or more yards 11 seasons in a row, has more career rushing yards, more rushing TDs, and more 100 yard games than any other RB in NFL history. That's not me saying that and its not me repeatedly bitch-slapping the shit out your ass either. Its NFL history and undeniable fact doing that to you, homey.[/QUOTE]

Go back to the beginning of your dumb ass conversation. I stated he was made by his OL. I know the accolades he has you POS. You haven't bitch slapped anybody and if you want to try...please come to Pensacola, FL. I will give you the opportunity. That's right...I live where Emmitt is from you dumb mother fucker. You have proven nothing. I have proven he ran behind arguably the greatest OL in history and you won't even argue he was the best of his era. Learn to read...try to comprehend...then talk to me.

 

[skinsdad62]

hey guys let avoid personal attacks on each other . that gets us no where and it breaks a board rule . dont do it you both are great posters dont make me delete your thoughts

get back on track and debate the topic and leave the attacks out

 

[SoCalWizFan]

True but I don't know any of you. I am a Redskins fan in FL...nobody here gives a crap about the Redskins.

No - I am not asking you to actually have this in person conversation nor am I stating that you did anything wrong. Just clarifying why things often get misinterpreted in this type of forum. I see this all of the time in a work setting where people will get pissed at others because they misinterpret things through emails or something posted electronically. More often than not they clarify things in person or over the phone & have no real issues with each other.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

hey guys let avoid personal attacks on each other . that gets us no where and it breaks a board rule . dont do it you both are great posters dont make me delete your thoughts

get back on track and debate the topic and leave the attacks out

Good advice. In the end most of of us are Redskins fans & this should be a relatively happy time for us (especially compared to the last 2 seasons). Lets focus on that & not so much on our differences.

 

[gkekoa]

hey guys let avoid personal attacks on each other . that gets us no where and it breaks a board rule . dont do it you both are great posters dont make me delete your thoughts

get back on track and debate the topic and leave the attacks out

Never would have Dad but Breed did so two posts in a row. I still stand by my last post tough guy.

 

[gkekoa]

No - I am not asking you to actually have this in person conversation nor am I stating that you did anything wrong. Just clarifying why things often get misinterpreted in this type of forum. I see this all of the time in a work setting where people will get pissed at others because they misinterpret things through emails or something posted electronically. More often than not they clarify things in person or over the phone & have no real issues with each other.

I know...I was kidding.

 

[Stymietee]

No - I am not asking you to actually have this in person conversation nor am I stating that you did anything wrong. Just clarifying why things often get misinterpreted in this type of forum. I see this all of the time in a work setting where people will get pissed at others because they misinterpret things through emails or something posted electronically. More often than not they clarify things in person or over the phone & have no real issues with each other.

This is a great post SoCal! How often has the case been that there is a mis-reading, reinterpretation or maybe a purposeful taking out of context responses? Excepting the latter, giving the benefit of doubt to fellow fans could eliminate some of these issues. Really appreciate this post!

 

[Sharkinva]

True but I don't know any of you. I am a Redskins fan in FL...nobody here gives a crap about the Redskins.

I wouldnt say Nobody cares about the Skins in Florida, and in fact me and my boys might take slight offense at that comment.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I wouldnt say Nobody cares about the Skins in Florida, and in fact me and my boys might take slight offense at that comment.

I certainly would not want to piss off you, your son or any of those 5 dogs!

 

[gkekoa]

I wouldnt say Nobody cares about the Skins in Florida, and in fact me and my boys might take slight offense at that comment.

Forgot where you live. I am so far northwest, I might as well be in Alabama.

 

[Sharkinva]

I certainly would not want to piss off you, your son or any of those 5 dogs!

LOL I like to think we are friends, so you and gk are likely good.

And Gk depending on the Schedule next year, if we have a Florida game.. I expect your ass to hook up with me and the boys to go to a game damn it!!!!

 

[gkekoa]

Jacksonville perhaps. How about New Orleans?