If they really plan to hold onto Griffin for the season

[Sharkinva]

There are a few tings that need to happen from both the team and the player.

From the team..

1. He has to be made the #3 QB. And inactive most game days. Sounds harsh. But having him as #2 and active will just add noise at some point.

2. The coaches and staff have to actually still attempt to fix Rg3's game. This is more just the nice guy in me as it would be wrong to just have the kid rot on the roster. Make good use of this time and the hopeful Quiet it will provide for the player and the team.

From the player...

1. This should be the ultimate humbling experience for him. He can either take his professed faith to heart, and actually learn and improve from this experience. Or he can sulk and inwardly complain how this whole thing has been so unfair.

2. He needs to take this time and actually reflect on why he was unable to get to where the team needed to be and either work to correct it. Or if he determines he cant correct it, he needs to figure out a new home that will work with his abilities in order to make him a success again.

 

[Stymietee]

There are a few tings that need to happen from both the team and the player.

From the team..

1. He has to be made the #3 QB. And inactive most game days. Sounds harsh. But having him as #2 and active will just add noise at some point.

2. The coaches and staff have to actually still attempt to fix Rg3's game. This is more just the nice guy in me as it would be wrong to just have the kid rot on the roster. Make good use of this time and the hopeful Quiet it will provide for the player and the team.

From the player...

1. This should be the ultimate humbling experience for him. He can either take his professed faith to heart, and actually learn and improve from this experience. Or he can sulk and inwardly complain how this whole thing has been so unfair.

2. He needs to take this time and actually reflect on why he was unable to get to where the team needed to be and either work to correct it. Or if he determines he cant correct it, he needs to figure out a new home that will work with his abilities in order to make him a success again.

Well stated my friend!

 

[JonBlaze]

Doesn't seem likely. The environment and his relationship with Gruden (from what we can see) just doesn't suggest a set up like this is possible. He'd be a distraction and Cousins seems like he doesn't handle that looking over the shoulder thing too well. Unless all parties involved agree to it as you suggest.

 

[Sharkinva]

Doesn't seem likely. The environment and his relationship with Gruden (from what we can see) just doesn't suggest a set up like this is possible. He'd be a distraction and Cousins seems like he doesn't handle that looking over the shoulder thing too well. Unless all parties involved agree to it as you suggest.

So let me ask, as the #3 QB and inactive on game days, how much of a distraction could he be?? And Im just floating out ideas that would be best for both the team and the player involved IF they are really planning to keep him on roster.

End result is I see them actually cutting him. The question is do they do it in time for another team to pick him up this season and start the reclamation project. Or do they hold onto him as long as possible and lessen the odds of him getting scooped up by a division rival and becoming a thorn in our sides. You got to think SMGM would like to trade him out of the conference and get something back for the ransom we gave up to get him. And for all his issues, there are at least one or two teams that will be watching closely to see if we do in fact release him.

 

[j_y19]

I also agree that making the the #3 is the ideal situation, but my guess is he will be gone by the start of the season. They will continue to shop him around. Eventually, once the injury bug hits, there will be a team that is desperate and will bite, maybe convincing RG3 to renegotiate his contract. This is something RG3 may consider as he must be really itching to get out of here.

As for concern about who he goes to......I really am not concerned about that. I haven't seen anything in over 2 years that makes me fear RG3. He isn't the threat to run he was in 2012. And he sure isnt a threat to beat you through the air. The ideal spot for him would be Philly, but I don't see him lasting more than a couple of games before he gets injured in that offense.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I see no reason to keep him if they have no plans for him moving forward. What purpose would that serve? No I'd release him the second he is cleared and turn the page.

 

[Sharkinva]

Guys,

To be clear here. Im not advocating they keep him. If you asked me straight out I think they need to get rid of him. I would prefer it be in a trade to some one like the Jets or the Bills. Because all Bullshit aside, I do respect the kids athletic ability if he is every truly healthy and is put into a system that will use those abilities.

My whole point was IF they really plan to keep him, these are the things that the team AND the player need to do in order to make this even remotely work for both sides.

But I agree the moment he clears medically they are going to either have to cut him or trade him. At this point if he would forgo the $16.1 million to facilitate a trade, I would take a 5-7th rounder and be done with it. But I also dont see him doing that if the destination is someplace like the Jets, Bills or some other seriously QB needy team. In that case I see him refusing to try and force a release.

 

[j_y19]

Guys,

To be clear here. Im not advocating they keep him. If you asked me straight out I think they need to get rid of him. I would prefer it be in a trade to some one like the Jets or the Bills. Because all Bullshit aside, I do respect the kids athletic ability if he is every truly healthy and is put into a system that will use those abilities.

My whole point was IF they really plan to keep him, these are the things that the team AND the player need to do in order to make this even remotely work for both sides.

But I agree the moment he clears medically they are going to either have to cut him or trade him. At this point if he would forgo the $16.1 million to facilitate a trade, I would take a 5-7th rounder and be done with it. But I also dont see him doing that if the destination is someplace like the Jets, Bills or some other seriously QB needy team. In that case I see him refusing to try and force a release.

Don't think he can refuse a trade. But that $16m is a huge barrier. He will have to renegotiate and he can refuse to do that. But that might mean he doesn't play this year as he is inactive every week on the skins roster.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

As I said no way they keep him. But the more I think about it the more I question where this guy fits. Sure as a FA there will be a ton of interest and everyone, myself included, think it's Chip in Philly. But they have made a major commitment to a 28 year old Bradford there and Griffin will understand he will be behind him. But come to think of it regardless of where he goes he will be behind someone. He obviously won't understand that because he is still Superman in his eyes. But it's the way it is.

 

[Sharkinva]

Don't think he can refuse a trade. But that $16m is a huge barrier. He will have to renegotiate and he can refuse to do that. But that might mean he doesn't play this year as he is inactive every week on the skins roster.

NO he cant refuse a trade. But he can refuse to rework that guarantee which in effect would block any possible trade. No one is going to trade for him with that boat anchor attached. You put him in a system that fits his skill set, and you risk eating $16.1 million in the event he gets another leg injury. He would have to agree to forgo the option salary and take a lesser deal with some heavy incentives in order for a team to actually trade for him. Now like DGF said, if he hits the market, teams will be interested in him. Because there is a coach out there that thinks they can fix him, or will be willing to fit the offense around him if he is willing to run the type of offense he ran in 2012.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Boy was I wrong about that extension. The only risk I saw was a devastating injury. Most other injuries would have been cleared by March I would have thought. So I figured they were protecting themselves in case Griffin actually played well. Believe it or not $16 mil is cheap for a starting QB.

But I never considered this problem. Shark is right, that option year makes trading him impossible. So the only thing left is to cut him when he's medically cleared.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

NO he cant refuse a trade. But he can refuse to rework that guarantee which in effect would block any possible trade. No one is going to trade for him with that boat anchor attached. You put him in a system that fits his skill set, and you risk eating $16.1 million in the event he gets another leg injury. He would have to agree to forgo the option salary and take a lesser deal with some heavy incentives in order for a team to actually trade for him. Now like DGF said, if he hits the market, teams will be interested in him. Because there is a coach out there that thinks they can fix him, or will be willing to fit the offense around him if he is willing to run the type of offense he ran in 2012.

Tough one to call. With a lot of players I think that this would be a no go. However - RG3 is a unique individual (which is both good and bad). This whole thing may be burning up inside of him and he may be itching to get back on the field. In that case he may very well agree to a lot less money for next year from another team and feel that he will more than make up for it with a future huge contract (ala Vick w/ the Eagles). It doesn't matter whether this actually happens - it is the perception of RG3 that this will happen.

Also - knowing this team - a lot could happen over the next several months including the possibility of all three QBs taking the field for various reasons. Hold on tight & enjoy (or not) the ride.

 

[Sharkinva]

Boy was I wrong about that extension. The only risk I saw was a devastating injury. Most other injuries would have been cleared by March I would have thought. So I figured they were protecting themselves in case Griffin actually played well. Believe it or not $16 mil is cheap for a starting QB.

But I never considered this problem. Shark is right, that option year makes trading him impossible. So the only thing left is to cut him when he's medically cleared.

I tend to think they will hold him until the trade deadline unless he becomes a distraction. And becoming a distraction either publicly or privately is NOT in his best interest at this point. People around the league MIGHT wonder if his struggles are all tied up in where he is. But if he gets labeled as an injury prone trouble maker, well the two put together could go a long way towards black listing him. Because lets face it, if the only way to keep him happy is if he is the starter, then there are not many places he could go and be guaranteed of that right now. So yes I could see a scenario where they hold onto him until the trade deadline passes in an attempt to recoup SOMETHING on him. But he would have to be the #3 QB, and he would have to play nice both publicly and privately. As the #3 QB the only real injury risk would be if he blew out a knee or ankle in practice. And while it has been known to happen, something tells me in practice, he wont exactly be running the types of plays that make this a high risk. And in fact if they are trying to improve him as a QB, then I would bet every practice play would be one where he stays in the pocket any way.

 

[huskers1217]

Is the $16 mill only payable if he gets injured? I thought that is what i heard

 

[kbso83432]

I really hope they hold on to him and he is able to play nice in the meantime. I have no problem with naming Kirk the starter. Jay has to do what he feels is best, and he knows his ass is on the hot seat. I can't blame him. If he's going to get fired he at least wants to go out with the guys he believes in.

However, what if Kirk bombs and Jay gets run anyway? What if Kirk gets hurt? I would have liked to have seen Griffin get a regular season game under his belt to really see if he is as bad as he was in Detroit. I want the RG option to be available for the aforementioned reasons.

Cousins starting is reasonable. Griffin lost the locker room and thus Jay was about to as well. You can never have enough quarterbacks though.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is the $16 mill only payable if he gets injured? I thought that is what i heard

Its tricky. Its only guaranteed if he gets injured so badly that he cant pass a physical to play at the beginning of the league year. If he does, no harm no foul. If he can pass the physical, then it becomes fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year if he is on the roster. So if he goes through the year, stays healthy, but sucks, the team could cut him the day after the league year starts and owe him nothing.

 

[Sharkinva]

I really hope they hold on to him and he is able to play nice in the meantime. I have no problem with naming Kirk the starter. Jay has to do what he feels is best, and he knows his ass is on the hot seat. I can't blame him. If he's going to get fired he at least wants to go out with the guys he believes in.

However, what if Kirk bombs and Jay gets run anyway? What if Kirk gets hurt? I would have liked to have seen Griffin get a regular season game under his belt to really see if he is as bad as he was in Detroit. I want the RG option to be available for the aforementioned reasons.

Cousins starting is reasonable. Griffin lost the locker room and thus Jay was about to as well. You can never have enough quarterbacks though.

All fine and well as long as RG3 can play nice. But the risk here is, if Cousins struggles early, Griffin could be a dividing factor in the locker room. And more importantly in the front office. Make no mistake, if Cousins struggles early on, Dan will be asking the question why are we not giving Robert another chance. This is the real reason I think he has to go. Because as long as he is there and Dan is the owner, you cant really trust that some where in there Dan is not going to give his opinion. If Robert is traded, then both the coach and the GM get to dodge that particular bullet. And if he is gone, the only real damage he can cause internally is if Cousins flops AND Griffin goes some where else and does really well.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Again I see no reason to every play him. To answer the other poster's question yes it kicks in automatically if he is injured and not cleared to play at the "start of the NFL year" or however it's worded which I understand is March.

So let's play out the scenario laid out. Let's say Griffin is a good little soldier and plays nice, Cousins gets hurt or plays terribly. Obviously the coaches prefer Colt so he goes in. By the time they get to #3 the season's lost anyway so why risk putting in Griffin late in the year and opening up the possibility of a big injury late that would kick in the $16 million extension? And this is the best case scenario of Griffin being all nice and a good teammate.

Nope, no reason what so ever IMO to keep him around and piss him off even more.

 

[kbso83432]

All fine and well as long as RG3 can play nice. But the risk here is, if Cousins struggles early, Griffin could be a dividing factor in the locker room. And more importantly in the front office. Make no mistake, if Cousins struggles early on, Dan will be asking the question why are we not giving Robert another chance. This is the real reason I think he has to go. Because as long as he is there and Dan is the owner, you cant really trust that some where in there Dan is not going to give his opinion. If Robert is traded, then both the coach and the GM get to dodge that particular bullet. And if he is gone, the only real damage he can cause internally is if Cousins flops AND Griffin goes some where else and does really well.

I guess that's my fear. He goes somewhere and plays well. I like Cousins. This is the very reason I stumped for keeping him. Cousins can play, but Robert can too. I thought he looked good in Cleveland and wanted to see him healthy in the same offense for a second year. Cutting Griffin just feels like an emotional decision. The 16 is a risk. I recognize that, but I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing RG was available if something happened to Kirk.

Maybe this has more to do with the fact that I am not a big McCoy guy. If Cousins can show me what he did vs. JAX and Philly against Miami and St. Louis I would feel a little more comfortable letting Robert go because I would feel we truly have our QB moving forward.

I just hope the Giants and Titans Kirk doesn't show up when the bullets start flying for real. Guess we'll know a lot more come week 1. I'd like to see Kirk for a few weeks before making any decision on RG.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

There are a few tings that need to happen from both the team and the player.

From the team..

1. He has to be made the #3 QB. And inactive most game days. Sounds harsh. But having him as #2 and active will just add noise at some point.

2. The coaches and staff have to actually still attempt to fix Rg3's game. This is more just the nice guy in me as it would be wrong to just have the kid rot on the roster. Make good use of this time and the hopeful Quiet it will provide for the player and the team.

From the player...

1. This should be the ultimate humbling experience for him. He can either take his professed faith to heart, and actually learn and improve from this experience. Or he can sulk and inwardly complain how this whole thing has been so unfair.

2. He needs to take this time and actually reflect on why he was unable to get to where the team needed to be and either work to correct it. Or if he determines he cant correct it, he needs to figure out a new home that will work with his abilities in order to make him a success again.

No dog in this one, unbiased viewpoint.

Short of literally giving him away, his combined recent production and cap hit this season make him almost untradeable imo...making him QB3 does quiet the noise a little, but the elephant is still in the room.

2015...If you believe in Gruden, I think you work hard to trade him...aside from that leave him @ QB2 and if Cousin falters you play him.

RG3...your 1st bullet is spot on...this has to be the most humbling experience in his pro career, possibly ever...so he does have to look inside and take ownership of where he finds himself. Reclamation...HOU makes some sense...but his biggest thing is he needs a HC that believes in him...idk if he's ever had that in WAS.