tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Go back and read the thread. It's been discussed over and over. The only person here who is unable to grasp it is you, as usual.

I get it. You're trying to lash out and turn attention away from the fact that it looks like the Cavs are probably going ringless again this year, but if you're going to lash out, at least don't be blind about it.

im just saying those people are wrong if the think Williams and Bass will make the difference for anyone.

And say- the Lakers do sign a big free agent or two next offseason- the following years pick will be no better then 12th- if that

to me it just does not make sense--- id take thechance, develop the young guys- and not bring in ball dominant guys that will take the ball out of young PG Clarkson AND Russell- and go for the 3rd pick. In the long run adding one more guy next year in the draft is the type of moe that makes th edifference in an incrdibly competitive league where teams are just loaded.

but just one mans opinion.....

 

[Hambombs]

Well Parker is a reocurring theme. Everyone had injuries except surprise...surprise the Warriors

Excuse me mo speights was injured!

 

[Hambombs]

They are going to miss Ellis too. I think that will be the biggest reason for this team not being as good. They went from two very good PGs that can coexist to Lin and Barrea who both suck.

All depends on Matthews health. Matthews> Ellis, Jordan> chandler

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

They have some talent, but last year the bench was horrible. Sessions and Ray at PG, Stauskas as a rookie at SG, Casspi was solid as the backup wing, Landry is nowhere near the player he used to be, and their backup centers were Hollins and Evans. Their starting 5 when they played together was actually pretty good especially early in the year but the bench would screw things up.(they had big leads early @Memphis and @Dallas but when the bench came in the leads disappeared and they lost both games) I get they've had some individually talented players like Boogie, Rudy, IT, and Tyreke but the Kings haven't been this deep in a while. And as GSW showed this past season, bench depth is pretty important.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I don't think they are going to be good next year.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Nelson plays for the Nuggets btw.

Hmm...not as deep as I thought. A lot of question marks for the Mavs. Especially since Deandre doesnt have an elite PG or Chris Paul lol

 

[Hambombs]

I'm going to explode if jr smith is a warriors lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'm going to explode if jr smith is a warriors lol

Didnt know they were talking to him. They need a shooter off the bench, it fits. Good luck lol

 

[Bolts]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I don't think they are going to be good next year.

Yep, wait and see time. I think they'll be better than people think, but right now I wouldn't say they'll make the playoffs.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

All depends on Matthews health. Matthews> Ellis, Jordan> chandler

I agree with Jordan being better than Chandler, but Ellis brings things to the table that Mathews can only dream of. I think Mathews went from very underrated to very overrated in one year. He's now a glorified 3 and d guy and one with a very significant injury to overcome. It's not like the mavs got a SG like Harden or Kobe. They didn't even really get a klay Thompson or Jimmy Butler. They got an above average SG and they vastly overpaid for him.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Mavs PG rotation will Harris/Barea/Lin.

 

[trojanfan12]

im just saying those people are wrong if the think Williams and Bass will make the difference for anyone.

And say- the Lakers do sign a big free agent or two next offseason- the following years pick will be no better then 12th- if that

to me it just does not make sense--- id take thechance, develop the young guys- and not bring in ball dominant guys that will take the ball out of young PG Clarkson AND Russell- and go for the 3rd pick. In the long run adding one more guy next year in the draft is the type of moe that makes th edifference in an incrdibly competitive league where teams are just loaded.

but just one mans opinion.....

Are you just intentionally being ignorant or do you truly not grasp what has been said.

No one has said that Williams and Bass are going to be difference makers. The difference makers are expected to be Randle, Russell and Clarkson. The idea is that Randle, Russell and Clarkson will be as good or close to as good as expected. If they are, the Lakers can go into future FA meetings and say "Look at this young core we have. Look at how well they played. We've also got some very solid role players and enough cap space for you and another to FA. You can lead them to a title."

Lebron came back to Cleveland because they had a couple of very good youngsters, some decent role players and cap space to improve the roster even more. That is the position that the Lakers are moving towards. They can even trade one of the young guys if need be like the Cavs did to get Love. You know as well as I do that if the Cavs hadn't gotten lucky in the lottery 3 straight years, Lebron is still in Miami.

Also, the Lakers didn't bring in any "ball dominant guys." Lou Williams is a 6th man, Hibbert is there for his defense and Bass isn't ball dominant either. So, you're wrong there too.

Not really sure why you are having such a tough time grasping this. It's pretty simple really.

 

[WiggyRuss]

id take Crawford for Haywood....I think thats a good move....Crawford is a big time shooter which is soemthing the Cavs need.....

I wonder if they would deal redicck instead....

who knows how free agency fnishes out....I thinkt he cAvs will make one more significant move, and a couple smaller veteran moves- but really- as long as they finish their business with hompson and Bron- the team last year was like 30-3 down the stretch when Love, Kyrie, LEBron played......this is def not a team that needs a lot---- another perimeter guy would be nice and maybe mo williams.....but shit- the front court is full- Delly, Harris are the deeper guard reserves ...lets see what kind of vets are left over to add to the end of the roster and that should be good to go...

 

[WiggyRuss]

Are you just intentionally being ignorant or do you truly not grasp what has been said.

No one has said that Williams and Bass are going to be difference makers. The difference makers are expected to be Randle, Russell and Clarkson. The idea is that Randle, Russell and Clarkson will be as good or close to as good as expected. If they are, the Lakers can go into future FA meetings and say "Look at this young core we have. Look at how well they played. We've also got some very solid role players and enough cap space for you and another to FA. You can lead them to a title."

Lebron came back to Cleveland because they had a couple of very good youngsters, some decent role players and cap space to improve the roster even more. That is the position that the Lakers are moving towards. They can even trade one of the young guys if need be like the Cavs did to get Love. You know as well as I do that if the Cavs hadn't gotten lucky in the lottery 3 straight years, Lebron is still in Miami.

Not really sure why you are having such a tough time grasping this. It's pretty simple really.

I totally get it-

what i am saying is that there is no way on gods green earth you are making the playoffs this year- so what is the difference between 11th in the West and 14th- and you should try and keep your #3 pick which is a HUGE potential asset - especially since if they sign FA's next offseason the pick you send to the 76'ers could be like #15 or worse.

To me- its worth it to try and get the 3rd pick this year because you are not making the playoffs anyway. That is all I am saying- I know that the Cavs and OKC would try and get that pick- the 76'ers would-----if the Lakers dont- thats fine- I just dont agree with the strategy of not trying to get it.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Crawford is not what he was even 2 years ago but next to LeBron anyone can look good.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I am just saying if you guys end up with the 4th or 5th pick you are going to be kicking yourselves - because you are not making the playoffs this year - and i dont see the difference in being 11th in the West or 14th...thats all i am saying- id tank for the 3rd pick or better because you arent making the playoffs anyway....

I mean shit- if you get say the 2nd pick again next year and could add another player of Russells value or a Jabari Parker value- or Victor Oladipo value--- I think that is worth giving up being 10th in the West and 10 extra wins....and I totally realize - there are no guarantees- its just a chance--- but i look at the other west teams- and some of them are pretty darn good that havent made the playoffs- like the Jazz and Twolves especially- even Sacto....

It takes just so much to win nowadays with htese stacked teams- thats why I think its worth it to try and get that pick......

im down though- if you guys think its a better idea to win an extra 10 games then thats fine- i just dont agree

 

[Hambombs]

I agree with Jordan being better than Chandler, but Ellis brings things to the table that Mathews can only dream of. I think Mathews went from very underrated to very overrated in one year. He's now a glorified 3 and d guy and one with a very significant injury to overcome. It's not like the mavs got a SG like Harden or Kobe. They didn't even really get a klay Thompson or Jimmy Butler. They got an above average SG and they vastly overpaid for him.

I like monta but he's never really been a winner. Matthews has been very good the last couple years

 

[Heatles84]

LMFAO....Dude, they are exactly where the Cavs were a few Seasons ago.

Kyrie-Russell

Thompson-Randle

Jarrett Jack- Lou Williams

Earl Clark- Brandon Bass

But, I guess signing role players is only okay if you are the Cavs?

Your team is where they are for 1 reason: Lebron

Before he came back, Love wouldn't even glance your way.

So, all it takes is for 1 guy to say yes, and the rest will follow.

So we've now established that Mecca swiped Wiggy's nut sack from him.

 

[Black Adam]

What if he's the type to save his money and doesn't live a lavish life style?

Said this earlier, but yep...

All about a ring for him...

 

[trojanfan12]

I totally get it-

what i am saying is that there is no way on gods green earth you are making the playoffs this year- so what is the difference between 11th in the West and 14th- and you should try and keep your #3 pick which is a HUGE potential asset - especially since if they sign FA's next offseason the pick you send to the 76'ers could be like #15 or worse.

To me- its worth it to try and get the 3rd pick this year because you are not making the playoffs anyway. That is all I am saying- I know that the Cavs and OKC would try and get that pick- the 76'ers would-----if the Lakers dont- thats fine- I just dont agree with the strategy of not trying to get it.

They need to improve to show FA's they are on the right path. You act like there's some kind of guarantee that the Lakers would end up with a top 3 pick. That is far from a guarantee. They just had the worst record in team history and still had what? 3 or 4 teams finish with worse records.

The Lakers are doing just fine. Plan A didn't work, so they went with plan B and that's looking solid. They aren't making the playoffs, the West is too deep. But if they stay healthy, the kids play well and Hibbert at least helps on the defensive end, they can get into the 35 or so win range. That will show they are moving in the right direction.

 

[trojanfan12]

So we've now established that Mecca swiped Wiggy's nut sack from him.

Wouldn't they have had to have dropped first?