Series Thread: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers NBA Finals Thread

[Hornsstampede2.0]

I am not hating on the possible accomplishment if Lebron pulls it off.

I am just a little ticked off by some of the hyperbole about LEBRON getting a "one man title" if they win it all.
Those "one man titles" have always seemed the most impressive to me and I enjoy the historical place.

Cavs 2015 is simply not the same case as 1994, 1995, 2003, or 2011.
Cavs 2015 had a 3 allstar triple threat for 99% of the season.

Cavaliers 2015 will be an epic accomplishment IF they pull it off.
It might be one of the top 10 greatest gutcheck wins of all time.

But, I just cannot let it be lumped with those other years as "one man titles".

 

[Shanemansj13]

Kind of funny... this is from a SLAM interview with Bradley Beal from last off-season

SLAM: You also draw the other team’s best defender most nights. Who’s the best one-on-one defender out there?

BB: [Thinking] [Matthew] Dellavedova from Cleveland is a great defender. He’s a pest, he annoys you. I give credit where it’s due, man, ’cause he’s definitely one of the toughest that I’ve been against. [Iman] Shumpert from New York, he’s a great defender as well.

Two Cavs lol

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Give me any celebrity and I can find you several people who met them and "know" they are an asshole.

Then I'll find you several people who met them and "know" they are the nicest human being you'll ever meet.


I hope you'll excuse me for taking your "Factual" inside information with a giant grain of salt.

I agree with you on all of that, particularly that he's full of shit.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Just shows that once again you don't know what you're talking about.

What talent did he waste?
He was always an undersized PF and he never in HIS LIFE before being drafted was asked to or expected to play much defense.

He was a scorer, period, through high school and college.
So, he comes into the NBA and brings that same game. Results obviously aren't the same because the competition is 100x tougher. His skill set is stil there and he uses it to the best of his ability.


He's an asshole?
Do you know him? Been around him?
Name anyone who knows him that would define him as that.

You want an asshole, look no further than the fuckwad whose jersey you were all burning 5 years ago.

Beasley, yes , he's a 'free spirit', and yes he smoked weed, etc ( no others in the NBA smoke, right?)
The Heat had to know that from the interview , tryout process.
If they didn't, then they didn't do a very good job because Beasley will be the first to tell you, if you ask him, that he isn't changing his personality for anyone.

The man has B Easy tattooed on his body. What more would one need to see or know?


Now Thabeet. Wasn't he basically drafted where he went because of his size?
Did he shrink?
He really didn't have many basketball skills.
He never developed any.
That's on him and his coaches.

I dont know about the other stuff, but yes, Beasley is a bust, there is no way around that. He could of played SF and done just fine, no excuses about the undersized PF. Barkley was an undersized PF.

 

[Shanemansj13]

If he wins, it's a great team accomplishment and since James is the sole reason it would be possible, he deserves a ton of credit.


Tell me though, after watching this, win or lose...because James controls basically every aspect of the game, is so ball dominant, etc.., that if you're the Cavs, aren't you better off having no other max or near max type players ( other than Kyrie) and just pool all your salary and surrounding him with an entire roster of mid salary players?


Proof is in the pudding. We've seen it with our own eyes.

In other words, why have 4 useless bodies buried at the end of the bench?
You fill the roster my way, no couple of injuries would deplete you.

I completely agree 2 max players is enough, dont know what Tristan will get but they definitely need him. If they dont sign Love they can get 2 to 3 solid guys that would give them more depth. And yes, they need Marion and Miller to go. Jones has been good and actually plays, crazy. I actually like Joe Harris, he is a young guy that has some talent.

 

[gordontrue]

I am not hating on the possible accomplishment if Lebron pulls it off.

I am just a little ticked off by some of the hyperbole about LEBRON getting a "one man title" if they win it all.
Those "one man titles" have always seemed the most impressive to me and I enjoy the historical place.

Cavs 2015 is simply not the same case as 1994, 1995, 2003, or 2011.
Cavs 2015 had a 3 allstar triple threat for 99% of the season.

Cavaliers 2015 will be an epic accomplishment IF they pull it off.
It might be one of the top 10 greatest gutcheck wins of all time.

But, I just cannot let it be lumped with those other years as "one man titles".

Yeah, I hear you. In 2007, LeBron dragged his teammates to the Finals. This season, there was little dragging, really, until late in the playoffs.

 

[Shanemansj13]

We need to pump the brakes on the James legacy for carrying this roster to a title (if he does).
It would be a great upset. It would be very impressive.

But, its not the same as Akeem 94/95, Dirk 11, or Duncan 03.

It would only be a single series without help.
Lebron did in fact have 2 STAR running mates in their prime all the way to the 2nd round.
Lebron still had 1 STAR running mate all the way to the finals.

That enabled them to get a #2 seed, homecourt, and some playoff wins.
It also enabled them to save a little bit of LBJ in the regular season energy-wise.

I am rooting for the guy, but I am not suddenly labelling this "LEBRON winning a title by himself" if it happens.

He had Love the first 3 games in the Boston series. Kyrie played what 2 legit games in the Bulls series and one in the GS series that they lost. That isnt enough to claim help. But yes, he does have solid defensive guys around him, but lets face it right now the scoring isnt very good around, at least consistent. That is why he has to shoot 30+ times a game.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Matter of fact, this year, they had Wade as the greeter, trying to change the perception back to what it was before James brought his act here.

This is the funniest bit of TurnUpTheHeat's whole post.

The Heat had Wade as a greeter not because they were trying to keep a fan base engaged in a team that just lost its star player and was in the midst of their first sub .500 season in six years, but because they had to repair all the PR damage that the guy who brought them four trips to the finals and two championships had caused.

That's fucking gold right there, folks.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I agree with you on all of that, particularly that he's full of shit.

You both can agree or think anything you want.
I know the truth.
If worth my time and effort, I could prove the truth.

You clowns, including your owner were calling James every name in the book for his ACTIONS in 2010.
He has the ego the size of a freight train.
He couldn't care less what Gilbert or the fans thought of him.


Well, James had/brought that same ego/mindset here.
It was (at least in his mind) all about him.
He wanted things done his way.
He proved what he thought of Riley when he made him fly out to Vegas for no reason other than to probably laugh his ass off once Riley left the room.

He brought that same defiance to many things the Heat requires players to do , off court, throughout the season.

 

[purguy12]

I am not hating on the possible accomplishment if Lebron pulls it off.

I am just a little ticked off by some of the hyperbole about LEBRON getting a "one man title" if they win it all.
Those "one man titles" have always seemed the most impressive to me and I enjoy the historical place.

Cavs 2015 is simply not the same case as 1994, 1995, 2003, or 2011.
Cavs 2015 had a 3 allstar triple threat for 99% of the season.

Cavaliers 2015 will be an epic accomplishment IF they pull it off.
It might be one of the top 10 greatest gutcheck wins of all time.

But, I just cannot let it be lumped with those other years as "one man titles".

If LBJ was shooting well or playing ok when it matters the most then yes but he just fades away at end of games and for this reason Im not really impressed. Its a nice story but to be Honest he needed to hit one of those game winners for me to make a big dal about it. his 2-28(again might be a little off) at end of games is just really bad to over see. This series easily can still be over 4-1 by GS. Getting 1 win means crap. 2 wins little more impressive.

 

[purguy12]

I completely agree 2 max players is enough, dont know what Tristan will get but they definitely need him. If they dont sign Love they can get 2 to 3 solid guys that would give them more depth. And yes, they need Marion and Miller to go. Jones has been good and actually plays, crazy. I actually like Joe Harris, he is a young guy that has some talent.

Im not a big Blatt fan but I also have to give him some credit. This teams team D has gotten good. I remember most saying their D was going to be an Issue. Well they are one of the better defensive teams. Blatt gets credit for that. Blatt still made some bad decisions but overall Blatt should get a little credit.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

This is the funniest bit of TurnUpTheHeat's whole post.

The Heat had Wade as a greeter not because they were trying to keep a fan base engaged in a team that just lost its star player and was in the midst of their first sub .500 season in six years, but because they had to repair all the PR damage that the guy who brought them four trips to the finals and two championships had caused.

That's fucking gold right there, folks.

It's the truth.
Hard core fans, sponsors, premium seat holders for the most part didn't come because of James and aren't leaving cause he's gone.

It got to the point where people didn't even want to waste their time coming because you knew what you were going to get.

It was never like the pre James and was back to normal or better last year.

 

[Captain Confusion]

If you can find a suitable stretch 4 to replace love, and keep TT, JR, Shump, Mozgov then yes. But they do need a floor spacing 4 to add some versatility IMO.

I hear Bargnani might be available....... Another of N Y's misfit that Lebron can light into and get his ass playing....!1


Wait for it.....

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I completely agree 2 max players is enough, dont know what Tristan will get but they definitely need him. If they dont sign Love they can get 2 to 3 solid guys that would give them more depth. And yes, they need Marion and Miller to go. Jones has been good and actually plays, crazy. I actually like Joe Harris, he is a young guy that has some talent.

That's what I'm trying to point out.
You're stuck with Miller another year though.

I also like Harris.
He can shoot, and with James he'll get clean looks.

 

[purguy12]

Well cant wait for game 3. I think this game will tell us a lot. Im calling a blow out win by GS. GS will come out fired up. No more taking it easy.

If Cavs win or make it close then I think we might have our self a series.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I dont know about the other stuff, but yes, Beasley is a bust, there is no way around that. He could of played SF and done just fine, no excuses about the undersized PF. Barkley was an undersized PF.

Played SF on what Heat rosters when he was here?

His best stats came as a PF.

He's really built in between both positions, which leads to his difficulties.

 

[Shanemansj13]

We need to pump the brakes on the James legacy for carrying this roster to a title (if he does).
It would be a great upset. It would be very impressive.

But, its not the same as Akeem 94/95, Dirk 11, or Duncan 03.

It would only be a single series without help.
Lebron did in fact have 2 STAR running mates in their prime all the way to the 2nd round.
Lebron still had 1 STAR running mate all the way to the finals.

That enabled them to get a #2 seed, homecourt, and some playoff wins.
It also enabled them to save a little bit of LBJ in the regular season energy-wise.

I am rooting for the guy, but I am not suddenly labelling this "LEBRON winning a title by himself" if it happens.

Akeem had Clyde Drexler (averaged 21, 9, 7)
Horry average 18 and 10
Elie and Cassell averaged 30 together.
Elie, Horry, and Kenny Smith were all very good to great 3 point shooters.

Dirk didnt have as much help. He played great but not as good as you think.
Dirk 26, 9.5 and only 2 assists. He shot 41% and 36% from 3.
Terry averaged 18 ppg and shot 40% from 3.
Marion added 14, 6, and 4.
Chandler averaged basically a double-double. 10 and 9.
Kidd, Terry, and Stevenson all shot above 40% from 3.

Duncanhad a great Finals but remember who they played, the Nets. One of the most overrated team to reach the Finals, other than the Cavs against the Spurs.
Duncan had a young Parker, David Robinson a HOF'r, Steven Jackson, Ginobili, and an elite defender in Bowen.

Lebron this year other than having Kyrie the first game will have the least talented roster BY FAR.
So far he is averaging 41, 12, and 9.
I dont have to name the roster, but he has 0 All-Stars. 0 guys who made all-NBA or all-NBA defense.
His starting lineup, the other four starter are 23, 24, 24, 28.
Btw..the best 3 point shooter for the Cavs right now is Lebron 35%, that plays I mean. Jones is at 40% lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's what I'm trying to point out.
You're stuck with Miller another year though.

I also like Harris.
He can shoot, and with James he'll get clean looks.

If Miller goes for 6 3's in one of these games he can stay as long as wants.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

You both can agree or think anything you want.
I know the truth.
If worth my time and effort, I could prove the truth.

You clowns, including your owner were calling James every name in the book for his ACTIONS in 2010.
He has the ego the size of a freight train.
He couldn't care less what Gilbert or the fans thought of him.


Well, James had/brought that same ego/mindset here.
It was (at least in his mind) all about him.
He wanted things done his way.
He proved what he thought of Riley when he made him fly out to Vegas for no reason other than to probably laugh his ass off once Riley left the room.

He brought that same defiance to many things the Heat requires players to do , off court, throughout the season.

...and now you're doing what you've accused me of because James left Miami. It's completely transparent.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I think we are getting ahead of ourselves anyway. Still got a long way to go against a historic great team in the Warriors. Hopefully the Cavs will have plenty of motivation at home.

Go Cavs!