I FEEL LIKE POSTING EVERY MOCK DRAFT I HAVE READ THIS YEAR!!

[skinsdad62]

I'm trying to take the high road here but you sure are making it difficult. We all thought they would take a pass rusher because we believed SM when he said he would take the best player on his board and none of us felt Scherff would be that guy. We are now learning that SM's board had, in order, Fowler, Cooper and Scherff. So he did what he said he would do, and what we said he would do, and took the BPA according to his board. My surprise is that he had Scherff rated that highly

i dont know why you have to act like you need to take the "high road " on anything . i am certainly not . i went through the "history lessons " the pundits are gods ," i dont know as much as they do" mocking bull crap from the get go

now they team did what i thought they would do and now the pundits are back tracking i did MY research and came to the same conclusion as the GM and i didnt have my pick predicated on some preconceived notion about where ogs should be taken and that pass rushers was going to be picked come hell or high water or if he could play RT or not

to me and others he was the best football player at 5

that was my beef from the get go . and you guys fought hard for your position but so did i .i LISTENED to what the GM said and didnt say

i told you he would have him as his BPA but you all refused to see it

so dont take the "high road " . you didnt before

its really simple , i researched it and i was in the ball park . the pundits , not so much

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

i dont know why you have to act like you need to take the "high road " on anything . i am certainly not . i went through the "history lessons " the pundits are gods ," i dont know as much as they do" mocking bull crap from the get go

now they team did what i thought they would do and now the pundits are back tracking i did MY research and came to the same conclusion as the GM and i didnt have my pick predicated on some preconceived notion about where ogs should be taken and that pass rushers was going to be picked come hell or high water or if he could play RT or not

to me and others he was the best football player at 5

that was my beef from the get go . and you guys fought hard for your position but so did i .i LISTENED to what the GM said and didnt say

i told you he would have him as his BPA but you all refused to see it

so dont take the "high road " . you didnt before

its really simple , i researched it and i was in the ball park . the pundits , not so much

Wow. Everyone loves a gracious winner. You won on this, congrats. You were right and many of us were wrong. Now stop acting like a dick please.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wow. Everyone loves a gracious winner. You won on this, congrats. You were right and many of us were wrong. Now stop acting like a dick please.

too bad that wasnt your mindset when you were giving history lessons or mockingly calling me an expert or saying i didnt know what i was talking about

where was your graciousness then ? out to lunch

 

[redskinsfan]

I'm trying to take the high road here but you sure are making it difficult. We all thought they would take a pass rusher because we believed SM when he said he would take the best player on his board and none of us felt Scherff would be that guy. We are now learning that SM's board had, in order, Fowler, Cooper and Scherff. So he did what he said he would do, and what we said he would do, and took the BPA according to his board. My surprise is that he had Scherff rated that highly

DGF, dad is conflating too very different issues: one is whether Scherff is a good player, the other is, despite being a good player, whether he was overdrafted. Most people answer yes to both. For now.

The underlying assumption to the latter question is that Scherff is an OG. If so, we did overdraft. However, he's being slotted as a RT. If that's the case and he plays well at that position, it was a great pick.

 

[redskinsfan]

too bad that wasnt your mindset when you were giving history lessons or mockingly calling me an expert or saying i didnt know what i was talking about

where was your graciousness then ? out to lunch

Come on guys. We got a great player. Can't we be happy with that?

 

[skinsdad62]

Come on guys. We got a great player. Can't we be happy with that?

hey i will stand up for myself for sure , he wants to call me a "dick " for calling out pundits and such that is fine but dont go that BS "high road " route when you had no compunction of doing that when you are taking shots at me during the debate

i havent said anything that hasnt been true . pundits are back tracking , they had a preconceived notion of where a player should be taken and they did everything in their collective powers to mock us a pass rusher

those are all facts and its not "gloating "

there is one post where i "gloated " and i dont believe saying " i knew it i just knew it" qualifies so there is another one out there

i get mad when people come at me with everything they have and dont hold back yet expect me to be "gracious " but when they were in the same position they were not

graciousness doesnt mean you can mock people and that happened to me for my minority position i took

i told people why i came to the conclusions i came to and that wasnt enough . i wasnt "expert " enough . i dont know anything about football , and despite the fact i get my information from the same place pundits did well that just didnt cut the mustard

now as far as i am concerned i am done "tooting my own horn " unless someone wants to reopen this can of worms

 

[redskinsfan]

hey i will stand up for myself for sure , he wants to call me a "dick " for calling out pundits and such that is fine but dont go that BS "high road " route when you had no compunction of doing that when you are taking shots at me during the debate

i havent said anything that hasnt been true . pundits are back tracking , they had a preconceived notion of where a player should be taken and they did everything in their collective powers to mock us a pass rusher

those are all facts and its not "gloating "

there is one post where i "gloated " and i dont believe saying " i knew it i just knew it" qualifies so there is another one out there

i get mad when people come at me with everything they have and dont hold back yet expect me to be "gracious " but when they were in the same position they were not

graciousness doesnt mean you can mock people and that happened to me for my minority position i took

i told people why i came to the conclusions i came to and that wasnt enough . i wasnt "expert " enough . i dont know anything about football , and despite the fact i get my information from the same place pundits did well that just didnt cut the mustard

now as far as i am concerned i am done "tooting my own horn " unless someone wants to reopen this can of worms

Well, let's all calm down. I'm not sure the pundits are backtracking. They're simply restating the positions they've taken all along, based on their view that he was an OG.

Again, at least for me, it was never a question of whether Scherff would be a great fit for our o-line. It was when we should take him. I still think we overdrafted, but if he plays out at RT, I'll conclude we made the right choice.

All in all, I'm glad we got him, even over Williams.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am calm . and yes they are backtracking for restating their positions are just that

their view is wrong and has been wrong IMO and i believe he will be a great RT for us

i had no doubt as to where we should have taken him because i dont buy cliche's like Rbs are a dime a dozen or player x shouldnt be taken here because of history

what counts is can he play football

 

[redskinsfan]

i am calm . and yes they are backtracking for restating their positions are just that

their view is wrong and has been wrong IMO and i believe he will be a great RT for us

i had no doubt as to where we should have taken him because i dont buy cliche's like Rbs are a dime a dozen or player x shouldnt be taken here because of history

what counts is can he play football

If he turns out to be a RT like Lane Johnson, he's a great pick that's not overdrafted. If he turns out to be an OG that plays like Martin, he's still a great pick but one that was overdrafted.

It's all how you view it. None of the pundits are going to argue the former point. They will, however, debate the latter. Whether they'll be correct is yet to be seen since the assumption that most had was that he'd be an OG. Seeing that he's being slotted as a RT changes things -- a whole lot.

However, because most if not all agree on the first point, that's why I'm saying there's no right or wrong.

 

[skinsdad62]

and all pro or perennial pro bowl player is worth the pick as i have said all along

 

[redskinsfan]

and all pro or perennial pro bowl player is worth the pick as i have said all along

That is a question of worth, a subjective issue unique to a team. Depending on why McCloughan decided to draft, that will be debated But sometimes, even if you're overdrafting, it's worth it to do so. One theory I've got is that he was worried that Scherff wouldn't last until the Giants pick. If you couldn't trade down with a team like Atlanta to optimize taking Scherff at #8, that would justify an overdraft.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

um i been on schreff train since feb

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

hey i will stand up for myself for sure , he wants to call me a "dick " for calling out pundits and such that is fine but dont go that BS "high road " route when you had no compunction of doing that when you are taking shots at me during the debate

i havent said anything that hasnt been true . pundits are back tracking , they had a preconceived notion of where a player should be taken and they did everything in their collective powers to mock us a pass rusher

those are all facts and its not "gloating "

there is one post where i "gloated " and i dont believe saying " i knew it i just knew it" qualifies so there is another one out there

i get mad when people come at me with everything they have and dont hold back yet expect me to be "gracious " but when they were in the same position they were not

graciousness doesnt mean you can mock people and that happened to me for my minority position i took

i told people why i came to the conclusions i came to and that wasnt enough . i wasnt "expert " enough . i dont know anything about football , and despite the fact i get my information from the same place pundits did well that just didnt cut the mustard

now as far as i am concerned i am done "tooting my own horn " unless someone wants to reopen this can of worms

dad: Up until today the back and forth we had going on was just that, a back and forth argument about the player and the pick. It was equally viscous both ways. But once the pick was made the game was over, it was then just a matter of how we behaved after a "winner" was determined.

As I have been trying to do all morning I'll just tip my hat to you and agree that you were right and I was wrong on Scherff.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

As for the pundits as I pointed out earlier the pretty much nailed the first 4 picks. I'm thinking 4 for 5 is tougher than 1 for 1 but maybe that's just me.

Anyway get your parting shots in if you wish. I'm off to hit a bucket of balls, then we can discuss tonights picks at another time.

 

[skinsdad62]

the only reason anyone is saying we over drafted him is virtually everyone was wrong and come hell or high water we were picking a pass rusher instead of listening to what our GM was saying

now they are trying to save face

this is the quote you are using against me as being a "bad winner " sorry i dont see it

this has been my stance from the get go that the pundits had us drafting a pass rusher and when it didnt happen well the litany of excuses comes to bear and the hints at reaching to justify their lack of vision or failure to adapt . or read the tea leaves correctly

they didnt take into account who would be available and what our needs were . the 1st 4 were easy the challenge came at 5 and they missed

overall they did OK but these guys were thought to be infallible during our debate and i am pointing that out

me and shark and some others did in fact know as much as they did

that is the debating point that was used against us and i am hammering that into oblivion

now maybe next time when you get ready to push that mock skinsdad button our your computer and you hold back i would be much more prone to be less of a "dick " even though the above quote hardly qualifies

 

[redskinsfan]

Dad, no one was saying that pundits are infallible. Some actually are dopes. But others are far smarter and well-informed than you or anyone else here.

And let's put this in some perspective here: Scot had Fowler and Cooper ahead of Scherff. If Jax takes Williams instead of Fowler, the Redskins are taking Fowler and we're having a much different conversation. The fact that Scot would've taken Fowler over Scherff in that situation really strengthens the side of the debate of those pushing for the team to take him over Scherff at #5.