Even Kiem doesnt think he is a OT

[redskinsfan]

find the quote , i doubt he ever said that and if he did he certainly said it after he busted out .

It's not like I have it off hand, but that's what you sound like. "Hey, if Scherff busts at OT, we'll just move him to OG. Never mind we used a #5 pick for him and passed on others we could've taken then."

 

[Sharkinva]

It's not like I have it off hand, but that's what you sound like. "Hey, if Scherff busts at OT, we'll just move him to OG. Never mind we used a #5 pick for him and passed on others we could've taken then."

OK dude, here is another call out question... If a trade does not materialize... name me the guy you would want us to draft at five and why??

 

[redskinsfan]

OK dude, here is another call out question... If a trade does not materialize... name me the guy you would want us to draft at five and why??

I've told you this before: either Beasley or Fowler. Still have issues with both, but they're the best of the bunch that fit a need.

 

[Sharkinva]

I've told you this before: either Beasley or Fowler. Still have issues with both, but they're the best of the bunch that fit a need.

Then we disagree there as well. I think Fowler still has alot to learn and has more questions. And Im not Sold Beasley isnt any thing more than another Dion Jordan. Factor in that the need is actually greater at O-line, and of the three Scherff is likely the least likely to fail. I could maybe see the logic behind White or Cooper. But all things being relatively equal, I would have to go with the lineman.

 

[redskinsfan]

Then we disagree there as well. I think Fowler still has alot to learn and has more questions. And Im not Sold Beasley isnt any thing more than another Dion Jordan. Factor in that the need is actually greater at O-line, and of the three Scherff is likely the least likely to fail. I could maybe see the logic behind White or Cooper. But all things being relatively equal, I would have to go with the lineman.

And what's the basis for all these views? And don't tell me that you watch tape.

 

[Sharkinva]

And what's the basis for all these views? And don't tell me that you watch tape.

Actually i have watched about 3/4 of Iowas games from this past season. And about 90% of the Gators games as I work from home Saturdays and since i have to be tied to the chair, might as well watch football. I will give you the mulligan on Beasley in that Im going totally off of measurables and what I have read. To me he seems a bit one dimensional and is mostly a speed rusher who is a bit narrow of frame. Not sold that he can pick up 15lbs and maintain what makes him good which is his speed on the outside rush.

As for Fowler... like i said, I think he is more project that ready to go starter. Yes Florida moved him all over the place, and if he were going to a team that plans to do the same.. great. But I dont envision us swapping him in at DT to rush the passer. I also question his fundamentals outside of pass rushing because the Gators moved him around so much. While he was good to borderline great as a pass rusher, I dont think he has the fundamentals to also play the run game which I suspect will be required. So unless we are going to basically tell him rush the pass every down and ignore the RB... I just dont see him as more than a situational guy in the NFL. SO yes all things being considered, Im not a huge fan of taking a 2 down player at #5.

 

[deanpet21]

Cmon Shark just admit to us that you are wrong about Scherff. When Flowers or any other OT gets taken over him you owe this board a big apology. lol. I hope he gets out of the top 10 then you really look nuts. He might have a shot with the Giants and Rams that is why I wont take the bet but who knows anything can happen.

With all the negative press that Scherff you still rank him ahead of Fowler and Beasley. That is amazing. By negative press I mean that he cant play OT and has pass pro issues. Bottom line here is that the only way he is a Skin is that if we trade down with the Browns. Even then Flowers\Peat would be a better choice than Scherff.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cmon Shark just admit to us that you are wrong about Scherff. When Flowers or any other OT gets taken over him you owe this board a big apology. lol. I hope he gets out of the top 10 then you really look nuts. He might have a shot with the Giants and Rams that is why I wont take the bet but who knows anything can happen.

With all the negative press that Scherff you still rank him ahead of Fowler and Beasley. That is amazing. By negative press I mean that he cant play OT and has pass pro issues. Bottom line here is that the only way he is a Skin is that if we trade down with the Browns. Even then Flowers\Peat would be a better choice than Scherff.

Dean Scherff will be a ten year starter for some team where as Fowler and all the Pass Rushers you mention will be situation players. And I wont be any more nuts than you were when Morgan Moses slid to the middle of the 3rd round. See even if Scherff falls to the middle of the first round, he is still a better prospect than Moses ever was.

 

[redskinsfan]

Actually i have watched about 3/4 of Iowas games from this past season. And about 90% of the Gators games as I work from home Saturdays and since i have to be tied to the chair, might as well watch football. I will give you the mulligan on Beasley in that Im going totally off of measurables and what I have read. To me he seems a bit one dimensional and is mostly a speed rusher who is a bit narrow of frame. Not sold that he can pick up 15lbs and maintain what makes him good which is his speed on the outside rush.

As for Fowler... like i said, I think he is more project that ready to go starter. Yes Florida moved him all over the place, and if he were going to a team that plans to do the same.. great. But I dont envision us swapping him in at DT to rush the passer. I also question his fundamentals outside of pass rushing because the Gators moved him around so much. While he was good to borderline great as a pass rusher, I dont think he has the fundamentals to also play the run game which I suspect will be required. So unless we are going to basically tell him rush the pass every down and ignore the RB... I just dont see him as more than a situational guy in the NFL. SO yes all things being considered, Im not a huge fan of taking a 2 down player at #5.

Funny how you don't mention Scherff and his ability to pass protect. From everything I've heard and seen, he's the next Tyler Polumbus. Great pick to man the right side of the line, right?

And I'll admit I haven't seen Fowler play a down of football. But there are certain people I trust who have seen him a lot, and they all disagree with you.

But let's put all the BS aside. Let me ask you this: if McCloughan believes Scherff is too much of a reach at #5 and that Fowler or Beasley is the pick there, will you buy into this judgment?

 

[deanpet21]

How does that compare? I thought Moses was a 2nd round pick. McShay thought he was a 1st round pick. You are saying Scherff is the best OT in this draft. I cant believe you gave up on Moses already.

 

[Sharkinva]

How does that compare? I thought Moses was a 2nd round pick. McShay thought he was a 1st round pick. You are saying Scherff is the best OT in this draft. I cant believe you gave up on Moses already.

NO no no.. you thought he was a first round talent and the Skins would be nuts to take any one over him if he was there when we picked. Or have you forgotten this bit of history??

And I gave up on him because I thought he was slow, and at best would be an average guard at the NFL level.

 

[deanpet21]

I was taking Mcshays word there. Even Kiper and other experts had him 2nd round. I think Kojo, Mewort, and Britt were the 2nd round tackles taken before Moses. I still take Moses out of those guys.

 

[Sharkinva]

I was taking Mcshays word there. Even Kiper and other experts had him 2nd round. I think Kojo, Mewort, and Britt were the 2nd round tackles taken before Moses. I still take Moses out of those guys.

And I would still take Scherff over any one of them because while those guys were POSSIBLE first rounders, Sherff is a legit day one starter even if it is ONLY at Guard. Which if Im not mistaken is a rather large hole on this team. To me Moses was a bad pick, even if he did only cost a 3rd rounder. Now maybe going to a power game will help him, but we tried to make him into a dancing bear... to bad he has two left feet and broke one of those.

 

[deanpet21]

Well get ready Shark b/c the starting right side of the line is going to be Chester and Moses.

 

[ehb5]

As I have said multiple times, his position will be determined by the team and coaches that take him. The sexy pick is to go after the "playmaker" that every one is screaming for when the less flashy but smarter pick is sitting right there. Even if he does turn out to be a guard, would you rather have a guard that holds the position down for ten years, or a one dimensional pass rusher. Scratch that, I already know you want a trade down because you feel that quantity over quality is the way to go.

Every one says we are rebuilding... you actually need tome premier talent guys at their position to build off of first. Sorry if I dont agree that two or three second tier guys at their respective positions out weighs a top prospect even if he ultimately ends up being a guard.

But like i said.. im officially switching my position.. I hope Mariota is there and we snatch him up.

Part of the problem with this argument is that I would rather have the one dimensional pass than the guard.

 

[Sharkinva]

Funny how you don't mention Scherff and his ability to pass protect. From everything I've heard and seen, he's the next Tyler Polumbus. Great pick to man the right side of the line, right?

And I'll admit I haven't seen Fowler play a down of football. But there are certain people I trust who have seen him a lot, and they all disagree with you.

But let's put all the BS aside. Let me ask you this: if McCloughan believes Scherff is too much of a reach at #5 and that Fowler or Beasley is the pick there, will you buy into this judgment?

I dont buy into the whole he has pass protection issues because simply put it was never in question until after the knee injury he never rehabbed. Add to it i have actually watched him play. And while he does need to improve on his pass blocking some, its a far stretch to say well he cant pass block.

And if the GM takes one of the over rated Pass Rushers, I will support them until such time as they are no longer with the team or prove to be worth the pick we used on them.

As for the COmparisons I have seen on Scherff... Just to name a few

Riley Reiff
Zack MArtin
Logan Mankins

But not once have I seen a tyler Polumbus comparison except from well you actually.

 

[redskinsfan]

Part of the problem with this argument is that I would rather have the one dimensional pass than the guard.

Yes, exactly. They may not play every down, but they'll pile up 15 or more sacks a year, and more pressures / hurries. Any one of those can be drive killers. You can't possibly replicate that. Having said that, o-line is still a huge need. We can fix that by taking an o-lineman in the second round if we can't trade out of our fifth overall pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well get ready Shark b/c the starting right side of the line is going to be Chester and Moses.

Well then we are well and truely fucked... but at least we will have another Pass rusher doing sack dances in a 45-14 blow out.

 

[redskinsfan]

I dont buy into the whole he has pass protection issues because simply put it was never in question until after the knee injury he never rehabbed. Add to it i have actually watched him play. And while he does need to improve on his pass blocking some, its a far stretch to say well he cant pass block.

And if the GM takes one of the over rated Pass Rushers, I will support them until such time as they are no longer with the team or prove to be worth the pick we used on them.

As for the COmparisons I have seen on Scherff... Just to name a few

Riley Reiff
Zack MArtin
Logan Mankins

But not once have I seen a tyler Polumbus comparison except from well you actually.

Wait, he "does need to improve on his pass blocking some"? Really? If you're taking an OT at #5, there's no way in hell does he have to do that. You just made the case why he shouldn't play OT and why we shouldn't take him at #5.

Thanks.

 

[deanpet21]

lol