RG3 Sucks

[sublime4eva]

http://redskins.247sports.com/Bolt/Gruden-sickened-by-loss-defensive-performance-32595890

Here hard to argue when the head coach says the defense blew the game.
"I rest my case"

 

[sublime4eva]

You're making excuses again. There was pressure, but that ball just came out of his hand wrong. In fact, the decision to throw it to that receiver was wrong. Dude, all QBs have to play with pressure in their faces. The good ones step up. He didn't. 8 other QBs have played against this pass rush. 5 of them have come away with wins, despite the pressure. Look at the QBs that have lost to this pass rush. That is the class that RG3 is in right now.

You are no different than the haters you like to call out. You see RG3 through different glasses than them, but the vision is just as skewed.

Gruden sickened by loss, defensive performance
coach blames the defense. Everyone knows it was the defense fault NOT GRIFFIN. DEAL WITH IT

 

[sublime4eva]

Seriously? You asked a Sooner fan about a Longhorns player? Hold on, let me ask the Cowboys what they think of Alfred Morris.

I'm sure he knows alot more about McCoy then you do since he follows big 12 football. ..and yes you ought to put the Longhorns logo up on your avatar too.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I thought RG3 played pretty good, obviously could've done more, but this loss was on the defense.

 

[sublime4eva]

I'm on your side dude. I was referring to the haters.

The haters know who they are bro, they blame Griffin for everything and NEVER take into account who we're playing or how the other side of the ball plays lol.
One guy actually said Griffin is not a good QB right now LMAO really? Not many QB'S play great right after an injury and being out for weeks but he did pretty dang good considering he kept getting us leads despite the defense.

 

[sublime4eva]

I thought RG3 played pretty good, obviously could've done more, but this loss was on the defense.

That's a Fact jack

 

[j_y19]

Gruden sickened by loss, defensive performance
coach blames the defense. Everyone knows it was the defense fault NOT GRIFFIN. DEAL WITH IT

Do you have reading comprehension issues? If not, you might want to re read my posts. If you do, I apologize in advance and will try and use smaller words and mix in some pictures in the future.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You're making excuses again. There was pressure, but that ball just came out of his hand wrong. In fact, the decision to throw it to that receiver was wrong. Dude, all QBs have to play with pressure in their faces. The good ones step up. He didn't. 8 other QBs have played against this pass rush. 5 of them have come away with wins, despite the pressure. Look at the QBs that have lost to this pass rush. That is the class that RG3 is in right now.

You are no different than the haters you like to call out. You see RG3 through different glasses than them, but the vision is just as skewed.

j_y19: I think you are the most level headed poster on this board. But every "excuse" I have made is simply a direct counter to a post that is simply not backed by the evidence. You said the pass rush played no factor in the pick. I said several times that it was a bad throw that totally turned around the game but to claim that the rush was not a factor simply isn't accurate. And that is exactly what you said earlier and what I was responding to. The end zone shot clearly showed the pressure which caused Griffin to throw weakly off his back foot right before being hit by a blitzing LB. Terrible throw, no argument, but the pass rush played a part and I"m just pointing this out.

Others claim Colt make the OL look better than Griff. While I totally agree and have said 2 of the sacks yesterday were on Griffin I am also pointing out that the Vikes pass rush is better than the Cowboys. That's not an excuse, that's a fact. Again my "excuses" are simply in response to posts that I feel are inaccurate or don't tell the whole story.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Shhhhh... we dont ask that question around here.

Did you have your RG3 voodoo doll with you during the game? I am pretty sure that you cheered loudly at the end when the Vikings clinched the win since I am pretty sure that in your mind RG3 falling short in any way is much, much more important to you than a Redskins win.

When I get a chance I will nominate you for Redskins fan of the year. Please also remember to remind everyone that whenever ANYTHING bad happens to the Redskins (at any time in the next 20 years) is only for one reason - RG3. Thanks for the reminders.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Gruden sickened by loss, defensive performance
coach blames the defense. Everyone knows it was the defense fault NOT GRIFFIN. DEAL WITH IT

This is the best news I've heard. Maybe now he will consider a new DC.

By the way WTF happened to Hatcher? To me the biggest reason for the loss was no push up front. The edge guys seemed to be getting there but there was nothing from the front 3 all game. Their 3rd and long conversion rate was ridiculous and that's on the DL and the DC

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The haters know who they are bro, they blame Griffin for everything and NEVER take into account who we're playing or how the other side of the ball plays lol.
One guy actually said Griffin is not a good QB right now LMAO really? Not many QB'S play great right after an injury and being out for weeks but he did pretty dang good considering he kept getting us leads despite the defense.

RG3, the defense & the rest of the team obviously have some work to do to be more competitive. However - except for yourself & a few others nobody is giving credit to the Vikings. Their defense was relentless & Bridgewater & some of the others played very well in the 2nd half. Also - regardless of the QB the Redskins need to step it up somewhat on both lines.

RG3 has some bad and good moments & just like any other players I am not going to judge him on one game. He seemed tentative with his runs & obviously he still holds onto the ball too long at times. Whether this is rust or just something that won't go away will only be determined by the remaining games.

I don't feel too bad about this loss since realistically this team is not going anywhere anyhow. I also still firmly believe that the future QB for this team is either RG3 or someone not on the roster right now. If anyone thinks that McCoy is the long term answer than you are being delusional.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Others claim Colt make the OL look better than Griff. While I totally agree and have said 2 of the sacks yesterday were on Griffin I am also pointing out that the Vikes pass rush is better than the Cowboys. That's not an excuse, that's a fact. Again my "excuses" are simply in response to posts that I feel are inaccurate or don't tell the whole story.

2014 NFL Team Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN

The Vikings pass rush is not only better than the Cowboys - they are also better than most of the NFL. They currently lead the NFL in sacks & based off yesterday & some other games that is no fluke. You would expect as much of a team coached by Zimmer. Overall - Vikings are not that bad of a team & play much better when Bridgewater is playing QB.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If you guys can't see the potential in Robert then I'm surprised. Holding the ball too long is a very real problem. But it can be fixed with development. Will it ever be fixed? Impossible to say, pocket presence may be something you are born with. But it is not out of the question that he can improve here.

Now the positives: He looks to have much of his speed back judging from the one he turned up field for about 10 yards. And of course the offensive is now tailored to his skill. He has also learned to slide, I'll be damned. He made 2 unbelievable escapes to complete first down passes, the second one to Halu on the left sideline was one of the better plays we've seen all year. Our other 2 QBs do not make those plays, period. He has always thrown a great deep ball, notice how DJax didn't have to wait on the balls Griff is laying in there? Early in the game he looked off his first read and threw to his second option, about a 14 yard gain over the middle. So he can adjust as some claim he can't do.

Now will he remain healthy? That's my biggest concern.

 

[sublime4eva]

I'd say that is Griffin's biggest problem, holding onto the ball too long.
I think if he can stay healthy (big if) he'll come around but the offensive line must pass block much better.

 

[j_y19]

j_y19: I think you are the most level headed poster on this board. But every "excuse" I have made is simply a direct counter to a post that is simply not backed by the evidence. You said the pass rush played no factor in the pick. I said several times that it was a bad throw that totally turned around the game but to claim that the rush was not a factor simply isn't accurate. And that is exactly what you said earlier and what I was responding to. The end zone shot clearly showed the pressure which caused Griffin to throw weakly off his back foot right before being hit by a blitzing LB. Terrible throw, no argument, but the pass rush played a part and I"m just pointing this out.

Others claim Colt make the OL look better than Griff. While I totally agree and have said 2 of the sacks yesterday were on Griffin I am also pointing out that the Vikes pass rush is better than the Cowboys. That's not an excuse, that's a fact. Again my "excuses" are simply in response to posts that I feel are inaccurate or don't tell the whole story.

Fair enough. My only point is that all QBs face pressure. Good ones successfully deal with it. RG3 hasn't figured that out yet. He may. Or he may not. We will know more by the end of the year. He did some good things yesterday. But, IMO, his 2 critical mistakes, for what ever reason, negated the positives in my evaluation of his play IN THIS GAME. he didn't suck, but no way can I give him passing marks, either.

 

[Sharkinva]

Did you have your RG3 voodoo doll with you during the game? I am pretty sure that you cheered loudly at the end when the Vikings clinched the win since I am pretty sure that in your mind RG3 falling short in any way is much, much more important to you than a Redskins win.

When I get a chance I will nominate you for Redskins fan of the year. Please also remember to remind everyone that whenever ANYTHING bad happens to the Redskins (at any time in the next 20 years) is only for one reason - RG3. Thanks for the reminders.

Actually i was hoping for the win because it would have been better for the TEAM. Bottom line is we lost. And while it wasnt his fault, he does maintain some of the blame for the loss no matter how you try and spin it. We lost by three points, the defense was pitching a shutout until a pick that directly lead to the Vikings getting on the board. So I will simply ask you the same question I posted to others and got the run around..../


When exactly do we get to the point where we can start saying RG3 was the reason we WON a game instead of simply making the observation that he was not the reason we lost??

 

[j_y19]

Actually i was hoping for the win because it would have been better for the TEAM. Bottom line is we lost. And while it wasnt his fault, he does maintain some of the blame for the loss no matter how you try and spin it. We lost by three points, the defense was pitching a shutout until a pick that directly lead to the Vikings getting on the board. So I will simply ask you the same question I posted to others and got the run around..../


When exactly do we get to the point where we can start saying RG3 was the reason we WON a game instead of simply making the observation that he was not the reason we lost??

That is a fair question. He hasn't played at that level since we moved away from an offensive scheme that took advantage of his natural talents. Clearly playing from the pocket is not natural to him. And reading defenses is a skill he hasn't had to develop until now. But this doesn't mean he can't. I would expect that we should see improvement in both of these areas over the next 7 games. If by the end of the season he is still consistently making the same mistakes, then we have a tough decision to make.

 

[j_y19]

This is the best news I've heard. Maybe now he will consider a new DC.

By the way WTF happened to Hatcher? To me the biggest reason for the loss was no push up front. The edge guys seemed to be getting there but there was nothing from the front 3 all game. Their 3rd and long conversion rate was ridiculous and that's on the DL and the DC

I gotta tell ya, I love Ryan Kerrigan, but he was MIA yesterday. I almost wonder if he was injured.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That is a fair question. He hasn't played at that level since we moved away from an offensive scheme that took advantage of his natural talents. Clearly playing from the pocket is not natural to him. And reading defenses is a skill he hasn't had to develop until now. But this doesn't mean he can't. I would expect that we should see improvement in both of these areas over the next 7 games. If by the end of the season he is still consistently making the same mistakes, then we have a tough decision to make.

Well - none of us will be making that decision, and I am not sure how the team would handle that type of dilemma. However - if it were me & RG3 was not progressing at all & possibly also was still making himself vulnerable to injuries the decision would be pretty easy. Find another starting QB for next season.

The remaining games for this season are basically put up or shut up time for RG3. Yesterday he had some good and bad moments. Some of his deep balls were awesome. However - he was tentative with his running & obviously needs better pocket presence. We will see.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'd say that is Griffin's biggest problem, holding onto the ball too long.
I think if he can stay healthy (big if) he'll come around but the offensive line must pass block much better.

Agree that the line must pass block better & RG3 must also make adjustments. However - you also have to consider that they were playing against one of the most relentless pass rushes in the NFL.