why cant i draft jimmy g at #3?

[TK21775]

I'd take Graham #3 if you wanted him there but I wouldn't be looking at Gronk then; I've mocked drafting Graham with the eighth pick and I'm usually hurting at RB or WR depending on the next 3 picks; to take Graham and then Gronk in the 3rd round would really hurt the overall team where you essentially lose the value you gained from taking Graham in the first round

 

[nj_cup]

Not if successfully using the No RB Strategy... Honestly the more I hear about the more it makes sense...

But that would mean if he wants to go TE/TE, then he would need to go WR/WR with the next 2 picks... and then his WRs wouldn't be a weakness... it would be a strength...

He says that he only starts 2 WR, but what that means is that there will still be very good WRs available for flex... which is a shame that he has the flex locked with Gronk(especially for how much he will pay for him)...

The fact that this is a 2 WR league, strongly states that locking the flex is not a good idea...

I see what your saying but given the sheer volume of points I would be getting from the te and flex it would still IMO make it worth it. Gronk and graham putting up 300 points each. You follow someone's draft plan going like rb wr wr qb rb that next spot in the 6th round will be your flex spot. That's something like 70 plus picks whoever you plug in there won't be as good as a 300pt gronk.

Now if someone was to go wr wr wr or rb rb rb then yeah the flex would maybe be even.

Also consider how many guys will put up 300+ points this year in fantasy

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I see what your saying but given the sheer volume of points I would be getting from the te and flex it would still IMO make it worth it. Gronk and graham putting up 300 points each. You follow someone's draft plan going like rb wr wr qb rb that next spot in the 6th round will be your flex spot. That's something like 70 plus picks whoever you plug in there won't be as good as a 300pt gronk.

Now if someone was to go wr wr wr or rb rb rb then yeah the flex would maybe be even.

Also consider how many guys will put up 300+ points this year in fantasy

Its preference, the only way i would do both:

1. If you think graham will outscore or be very similar to the number one WR(less than 10 point difference)
2. If you think Gronk is the BEST available non QB player... reminder- your flex can be any position, you are defending yourself by putting Gronk at Flex compared to all other flexes, well you can consider whoever you draft instead as the flex too... for example if you draft Gronk over Dez to put Gronk at Flex, why not consider Dez the flex instead of WR1... and then your logic will be the same except for now that you drafted a WR you become more flexible since you can also put him in the WR slot...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

again, remember you can call anyone your flex, even your WR1 or RB1

 

[nj_cup]

If you have the chance to draft a wr that will score 300 points in the 3rd round even after going wr wr with your first two your going to let him pass by? When that 3rd wr would really limit other owners from taking a good one after him?

I'm just looking at it as putting the most points out there daily while trying to also limit as best I can the amount other owners can.

 

[nj_cup]

again, remember you can call anyone your flex, even your WR1 or RB1

But your not drafting them as such. The 3rd wr or rb you take is your flex. Sure you can put Calvin in as your flex and start decker as your wr1 but there is no benefit to that is there? They are both going to be in your lineup either way.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If you have the chance to draft a wr that will score 300 points in the 3rd round even after going wr wr with your first two your going to let him pass by? When that 3rd wr would really limit other owners from taking a good one after him?

I'm just looking at it as putting the most points out there daily while trying to also limit as best I can the amount other owners can.

you are only limiting one owner... not really that great of an acheivement.. nor should it be the reason why you hurt yourself... Play to make your team the best possible, not to make other teams worse... truth is, if you make your team best possible then it will make other teams worse anyway... way focus on one piece???

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But your not drafting them as such. The 3rd wr or rb you take is your flex. Sure you can put Calvin in as your flex and start decker as your wr1 but there is no benefit to that is there? They are both going to be in your lineup either way.

why does it matter how you draft a player???

 

[nj_cup]

Its preference, the only way i would do both:

1. If you think graham will outscore or be very similar to the number one WR(less than 10 point difference)
2. If you think Gronk is the BEST available non QB player... reminder- your flex can be any position, you are defending yourself by putting Gronk at Flex compared to all other flexes, well you can consider whoever you draft instead as the flex too... for example if you draft Gronk over Dez to put Gronk at Flex, why not consider Dez the flex instead of WR1... and then your logic will be the same except for now that you drafted a WR you become more flexible since you can also put him in the WR slot...

I think that's where the confusion is. Even if I put des my wr1 at flex there is no advantage to that.

Typically the way you guys have told me the flex spot should be the last spot filled

No particular order. Wr wr rb rb te qb. That means usually your going to take your flex player in the 7th round or maybe earlier 5th round. You take him as a wr the. Your starting him in your wr1 slot because des is your flex. We'll then he is going up against my wr taken in the 3rd round.

 

[nj_cup]

why does it matter how you draft a player???

Because you mention anyone can be a flex. That's true but what's the advantage as drafting dez in the first and making him your flex?

The only reason why I would focus on te would be because that's the one spot you can limit other owners in points.

If healthy gronk would put up 300pts. Him and jimmy only ones that I think can do that.

If there were only 2 ribs that would hit 300pts you would want the both on your team right? Esp if the next best is close to 100pts. Behind them

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I think that's where the confusion is. Even if I put des my wr1 at flex there is no advantage to that.

Typically the way you guys have told me the flex spot should be the last spot filled

No particular order. Wr wr rb rb te qb. That means usually your going to take your flex player in the 7th round or maybe earlier 5th round. You take him as a wr the. Your starting him in your wr1 slot because des is your flex. We'll then he is going up against my wr taken in the 3rd round.

No, its not that the flex should be the last one picked!!! since, flex can be any position, positional value does not matter... Your Flex should always be the best player available in your opinion...


so again, if you think Gronk is the best player available, then draft him.. But dont pay for the positional value!!!

 

[jonvi]

#milkspiller!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Because you mention anyone can be a flex. That's true but what's the advantage as drafting dez in the first and making him your flex?

The only reason why I would focus on te would be because that's the one spot you can limit other owners in points.

If healthy gronk would put up 300pts. Him and jimmy only ones that I think can do that.

If there were only 2 ribs that would hit 300pts you would want the both on your team right? Esp if the next best is close to 100pts. Behind them

Maybe Dez was a bad example if you have him in the first round... After picking Graham in the first round, and your option is between Gronk and anyone else and you would put Gronk at Flex, and if your so giddy about the Flex being so dominant, then you should be thinking of any of the players at Flex because it is the same thing...

 

[nj_cup]

Maybe Dez was a bad example if you have him in the first round... After picking Graham in the first round, and your option is between Gronk and anyone else and you would put Gronk at Flex, and if your so giddy about the Flex being so dominant, then you should be thinking of any of the players at Flex because it is the same thing...

The whole benefit of this system would be getting the most points in the lineup as possible.

The only way you can do that is if you take gronk IMO because te is so weak. If gronk didn't exists and j Thomas was the #2 te this wouldn't be worth doing.

Following this route I would have two out of my first 3 picks able to put up 300pts. In what other scenario can you say that unless players fall to you or if your sitting at 12 and get back to back and dez and aj green fall to you.

Just trying to get as many points possible. Say Jim and gronk put up 300pts each. That's 600pts from those two spots. You wait to take a te get stuck with Greg Olsen 183 points and your flex player say argument sake is torey smith in the 5th round 207 points. 390pts.

Let's say you draft dez and Murray 1/2 309 and 259 pts total of 568. That's going up against Nelson 285 and bush 253 total pts 538pts. Both players I would target in round 2 for Nelson round 4 for bush

Where is the advantage

The only way this works is because gronk is so dominate and gives me hopefully 300pts. You draft him and stash him away while other people are drafting players that are giving 250pt ranges. Them in round 4 on while everyone is drafting players in the 200pt range you will have a guy starting on your roster giving you 300pts


The more I write this the more I like it and it makes sense. Maybe I'm just nuts

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The whole benefit of this system would be getting the most points in the lineup as possible.

The only way you can do that is if you take gronk IMO because te is so weak. If gronk didn't exists and j Thomas was the #2 te this wouldn't be worth doing.

Following this route I would have two out of my first 3 picks able to put up 300pts. In what other scenario can you say that unless players fall to you or if your sitting at 12 and get back to back and dez and aj green fall to you.

Just trying to get as many points possible. Say Jim and gronk put up 300pts each. That's 600pts from those two spots. You wait to take a te get stuck with Greg Olsen 183 points and your flex player say argument sake is torey smith in the 5th round 207 points. 390pts.

Let's say you draft dez and Murray 1/2 309 and 259 pts total of 568. That's going up against Nelson 285 and bush 253 total pts 538pts. Both players I would target in round 2 for Nelson round 4 for bush

Where is the advantage

The only way this work is because gronk is so dominate and gives me hopefully 300pts. You draft him and stash him away while other people are drafting players that are giving 250pt ranges

you are all over the place here... earlier you proved that Graham is the 6th best WR/TE/RB in your scoring system... that means there would be at least 3 players better to start, since you are skipping over them to take graham... so if you took one of them instead and then Gronk in the second, you would be better off than Graham and Gronk!!! how is that even debatable??? You are really overthinking this!!!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

its not really that big of an advantage though is it? point wise from last year

forte 354
d thomas 344
brown 343
calvin 335
aj 335
jimmy 331


i think i'm going to go through and try it at least. what the hell.

Here was your post... so if you are going to get Gronk, then taking any of those 5 will be better... And realize that that is from last season, projections for this season have Graham even lower...

 

[nj_cup]

you are all over the place here... earlier you proved that Graham is the 6th best WR/TE/RB in your scoring system... that means there would be at least 3 players better to start, since you are skipping over them to take graham... so if you took one of them instead and then Gronk in the second, you would be better off than Graham and Gronk!!! how is that even debatable??? You are really overthinking this!!!

The difference between gronk and the top wr is 13 points which isn't much IMO. Forte put up 23 points not much either. Esp when your getting one of the only 2 guys getting 300pts at his position. If jimmy was the 20th best player it wouldn't be worth doing.

But like I said with those rosters mentioned in the previous thread who has the better advantage?


I think the hang up is that I'm putting a lot of value at that flex spot while no one thinks it's valuable.

 

[leftypower]

The whole benefit of this system would be getting the most points in the lineup as possible.

The only way you can do that is if you take gronk IMO because te is so weak. If gronk didn't exists and j Thomas was the #2 te this wouldn't be worth doing.

Following this route I would have two out of my first 3 picks able to put up 300pts. In what other scenario can you say that unless players fall to you or if your sitting at 12 and get back to back and dez and aj green fall to you.

Just trying to get as many points possible. Say Jim and gronk put up 300pts each. That's 600pts from those two spots. You wait to take a te get stuck with Greg Olsen 183 points and your flex player say argument sake is torey smith in the 5th round 207 points. 390pts.

Let's say you draft dez and Murray 1/2 309 and 259 pts total of 568. That's going up against Nelson 285 and bush 253 total pts 538pts. Both players I would target in round 2 for Nelson round 4 for bush

Where is the advantage

The only way this works is because gronk is so dominate and gives me hopefully 300pts. You draft him and stash him away while other people are drafting players that are giving 250pt ranges. Them in round 4 on while everyone is drafting players in the 200pt range you will have a guy starting on your roster giving you 300pts


The more I write this the more I like it and it makes sense. Maybe I'm just nuts

You've asked and gotten all sort of advise - - do whatever you want, you probably have a 50% chance at being right.

 

[nj_cup]

True I don't want to keep yapping just to yap. I will man up and draft this way and post back how the draft went in sept

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The difference between gronk and the top wr is 13 points which isn't much IMO. Forte put up 23 points not much either. Esp when your getting one of the only 2 guys getting 300pts at his position. If jimmy was the 20th best player it wouldn't be worth doing.

But like I said with those rosters mentioned in the previous thread who has the better advantage?


I think the hang up is that I'm putting a lot of value at that flex spot while no one thinks it's valuable.

Again, there is nothing wrong with this, the problem is that your logic is flawed...

Draft Graham in the first round- then draft Gronk, Gronk is the flex...

Draft Graham in the first draft anyone instead of Gronk, Insert that player in flex(no matter what position)... then you are in the same position as graham and Gronk...