why cant i draft jimmy g at #3?

[nj_cup]

In my scoring setup 1pt reception. 1pt every 10 yards. 5pt bonus at 100 yards.

So a game of 6 catches 100 yards nets me 21 points. Without a touchdown. Both of those very realistic games for gronk or jimmy. Can you say the same for another te position (outside witten Thomas). Can your flex starter put up those type of numbers? By holding off and taking a te in round 3 I can still get a very good player like nelson Brown or a rb like I said to "limit the loss" of not getting one in round 1.





I appreciate you guys taking the time to talk about this.

 

[Davis_Mike]

An average RB in your PPR league without a TD can easily get 17 points a game. 18 carries for 80 yards, 5 receptions for 40 yards, adds up to 17 points. These are just basic numbers for an average RB in a PPR league playing for a passing team. And this is someone you could probably draft in the mid rounds.

There is more value to be had by not using an early pick on Graham. Picking Graham that early basically means you are relying on a lot of things going right for you in your draft & season. There is little room for error when drafting a TE that early.

 

[nj_cup]

But that's exactly the type of rb I will be drafting and using for my rb1 and rb2.

Mid rounds obviously and looking for 15+ points for

There are a lot of quality backs out there this year imo

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If you want to reach reach on Calvin or manning. That will not hurt you at all. Graham does.

 

[Davis_Mike]

But that's exactly the type of rb I will be drafting and using for my rb1 and rb2.

Mid rounds obviously and looking for 15+ points for

In a PPR, you should be looking at guys who can get you 20-25+ ppg consistently for RB1/2.

 

[nj_cup]

it all evens out though in the end like i said outside of mccoy and charles who will be drafted before i go. everyone is pretty close to one another. following are the point totals for the year end last year.


charles 363
mccoy 360
forte 322

thomas 313
brown 310
calvin 308


jimmy 295
thomas 205
olsen at #5 on that list is 188.

 

[nj_cup]

i guess to be more "traditional" i could take forte at #3 then follow it up with gronk/j thomas.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

it all evens out though in the end like i said outside of mccoy and charles who will be drafted before i go. everyone is pretty close to one another. following are the point totals for the year end last year.


charles 363
mccoy 360
forte 322

thomas 313
brown 310
calvin 308


jimmy 295
thomas 205
olsen at #5 on that list is 188.

dont get fixated on positional differential... think about round differential... you are not going to get Thomas or gronk until the 3rd round, there is a huge difference between a first rounder and a 3rd rounder... so position is irrelevant... Charles at 363(first rounder) vs Graham 295, that is just as bad as the TE1-TE2 differential...

 

[tlance]

Investing 2 early picks on TEs is very unwise. Not sure why you are so fixated on this.

I can find a 7th round WR who will score at a level comparable to your 3 round TE.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Investing 2 early picks on TEs is very unwise. Not sure why you are so fixated on this.

I can find a 7th round WR who will score at a level comparable to your 3 round TE.

Thats a little much TLance... Vernon davis was the 29th ranked RB/WR/TE last year and Julius Thomas was the 33rd... Having them as the flex is definitely an advantage... That part i am not opposed to.... Especially since by doing this will make at least one team very weak at TE... I have no problem with a high end TE as a flex... Nor am i opposed to drafting Graham in the first round... I just dont agree with taking Graham so early in the first round... But i see nothing wrong with Drafting graham and Flexing Gronk or any other Big TE in the 3rd or 4th round...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But, with that said, if drafting a TE at flex, positional value means nothing, so that would probably push down their draft value...

 

[TKOSpikes]

People talk about "taking away" another TE for another owner, but fail to admit they're leaving another good to great WR/RB. Depth is the most important thing post draft. I'll take a Forte/Julio combo, get a Pitta later and have multiple options in rounds 3-6, looking for flex and depth with BPA. You take that away by filling your flex with Gronk.

Sure, you have an "advantage" at TE, but you have a disadvantage everywhere else.

 

[nj_cup]

It's not that I'm fixated with it I just never thought about doing this and no friends of mine really play fantasy as hardcore so hard to talk about it.


The only "elite" talent I would be leaving on the board would be forte since that's who I would take. My scoring setup jimmy and gronk will put up 280-300 points. Next tight end will put up 70-80 less. A wr /rb taken in the 6th round isn't putting up those numbers

 

[nj_cup]

People talk about "taking away" another TE for another owner, but fail to admit they're leaving another good to great WR/RB. Depth is the most important thing post draft. I'll take a Forte/Julio combo, get a Pitta later and have multiple options in rounds 3-6, looking for flex and depth with BPA. You take that away by filling your flex with Gronk.

Sure, you have an "advantage" at TE, but you have a disadvantage everywhere else.

What I would count on is the advantage weekly of two total mismatches offset any slacking areas I have. Keep in mind I can still snag a very good player either rb or we in the second round

 

[TKOSpikes]

But Gronk is not a given advantage in a league with one flex spot. He is par at best. And you miss two rounds of the elite RB/WR. So you are at a disadvantage in those spots....of which there are five.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But Gronk is not a given advantage in a league with one flex spot. He is par at best. And you miss two rounds of the elite RB/WR. So you are at a disadvantage in those spots....of which there are five.

Again, very strong statement... Vernon davis was 29th best WR/TE/RB last season and Thomas was the 33... that is great for a flex... And if you think Gronk will be at least as good then it is the same... He is an elite flex...

having them as a flex is not the problem!!!

 

[TKOSpikes]

But he can ONLY be flex. You are limiting your other players to their respective positions. And the 29th best non-QB isn't an every week for sure advantage at flex. It is par...and your RB1, RB2, WR1, WR2, WR3 are all one step behind your opponent.

For me, the flex should be flexible. Not constant.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But he can ONLY be flex. You are limiting your other players to their respective positions. And the 29th best non-QB isn't an every week for sure advantage at flex. It is par...and your RB1, RB2, WR 1, WR, WR3 are all one step behind your opponent.

For me, the flex should be flexible. Not constant.

Does it matter?? all it really does is make the WSIS question harder for the last WR or last RB spot... thats not really a factor...

 

[TKOSpikes]

Not a factor? That's the meat and potatoes man!

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Not a factor? That's the meat and potatoes man!

Does playing David Ortiz at DH when he is only elligible at DH hurt you in fantasy baseball?? no, because he would be starting no matter what... Same here... if you are always going to start someone, then it doesnt matter where you start them....