Ulterior motives at Redskins park

[Sharkinva]

Hear we go again sharks anti rg3 talk .. Lol rg3 will be'fine

Sorry dude, Some one has to be the voice of descent. Just happens to be me.

And Socal... I agree he doesnt drink, smoke weed and does losts of things for the kids. But I still dont like the fact that he has thrown coaches and team mates under the bus. To me that affects the team ON the field. Again Im not basing my opinion off of what I think he did, but more off of WHAT he has said and how he has reacted over the past year plus.

 

[Kevin12773]

Sorry dude, Some one has to be the voice of descent. Just happens to be me.

And Socal... I agree he doesnt drink, smoke weed and does losts of things for the kids. But I still dont like the fact that he has thrown coaches and team mates under the bus. To me that affects the team ON the field. Again Im not basing my opinion off of what I think he did, but more off of WHAT he has said and how he has reacted over the past year plus.

This is my take...
Shanahan is a dick. RG3 was put on a pedestal after his rookie year and bought into it too much. His injury was brutal and he was never even close to 70% healthy all year and should've been yanked even before he was and shouldn't have started the season at all ( hell id have been fine with cousins playing all year as it was obvious he wasn't right) I think when he says what he eats for lunch people make an issue out of it. When he takes a shit people make an issue out of it. He needs to stfu with some comments that should stay in house and get off twitter but if that's the worse they got on him I'll take it. His teammates seem ok with him and that's all that matter.
HTTR

 

[skinsdad62]

here is my take , RG3 's injury was mishandled . i supported shanny for trying to win the game and RG3 for wanting to tough it out but the HC should have pulled him when he 1st got tweaked .

this " all in for week one " was and Rg3 promotional deal much like derrick rose of the bulls . Rg3 should never have played week one and probably not till the bye at the earliest . perhaps he should have been PUP'd . again my judgement in this matter was wrong and i said play the guy

coach shanahan shouldnt have promised anything and he should have seen right away that his qb wasnt ready and he should have grabbed a pair and made the right call . by the same token RG3 shouldnt have applied pressure to the situation either

most of the drama has been debunked under further scrutiny but posters on this board ignore that . if his wrs didnt get open then either they really didnt or RG3 missed them or a combo of both RG3 said we over and over again . where i come from we also includes myself . some of you dont think it does but again we are talking about a then 23 year old under intense media scrutiny and he put his foot in his mouth repeatedly

but how much damage are we talking about here ? the team voted for him as team capt. and for the courage award . i doubt any real lasting hard feelings are there

people said he should be invisible this off season and work on all aspects of his game . and he has other then this last thing . and that shouldnt erase everything

when he is referred to in a mocking manner by shark that tells me he has an ax to grind ok so be it i have axes to grind too( see name change debate )

but lets get down to brass tax here . we are going into year 3 . if Rg3 gets hurt , takes a step back , or we get the same performance we got last season then guys RG3 will have to be certified as a bust in the making . we gave up too much for him to be saddled with avg qb play by him

and if that is the case there are 2 main options . live with avg and put good players around him and build the defense or move on to another draft pick or KC

i would say move to KC and then look at drafting a qb in the upcoming draft in case KC also flops

the other thing , the one i am going to focus on is he makes that leap he should have had a chance to make in year two and he starts his assent toward elite qb

now i wont go to make or break but i tend to give draft picks 3 years to show what they are about . if he fails then its off to the drawing board for me

so there . just because i dont buy into every CSI theory on the table doesnt mean i am not objective hell some of you had him plotting to get the baylor coach because he had chilli dinner with snyder with his dad having dan at gun point

 

[Sportster 72]

I pretty much agree with the dad's ideas. Griffin should have been sat in the Seattle game. He should have sat the first 4 games of they year last year. EVERYbody was guilty for allowing him to play.

We does include I but when a mistake happens at work and I know I was a part of it I then say "I" and just take the blame and say it won't happen again. There is much more power in that.

Garcon called Griffin out a couple of times last year and rightly so. I don't think it is long lasting. Hopefully Gruden can help teach Griffin how to address the media. This is something that his agent should help him with. Sometimes nothing is the best thing to say. New year, new coach, healthy QB, more weapons lets hope it helps all around.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I pretty much agree with the dad's ideas. Griffin should have been sat in the Seattle game. He should have sat the first 4 games of they year last year. EVERYbody was guilty for allowing him to play.

We does include I but when a mistake happens at work and I know I was a part of it I then say "I" and just take the blame and say it won't happen again. There is much more power in that.

Garcon called Griffin out a couple of times last year and rightly so. I don't think it is long lasting. Hopefully Gruden can help teach Griffin how to address the media. This is something that his agent should help him with. Sometimes nothing is the best thing to say. New year, new coach, healthy QB, more weapons lets hope it helps all around.

Agree & this type of thing happens especially given the circumstances which included 1.) a team with a terrible record that was constantly badmouthed by the media after having a previous good year 2.) a young QB who is going to screw up with comments, etc & 3.) a head coach who certainly didn't do much to help make the situation any easier. However - as others have stated - that is all past history at this pt.

Also - players do argue, call each out, etc - especially during/after games when they are emotional. Remember the Brady sideline rant when they played the Skins a few years ago? It happens & generally they make up afterwards (as I am sure is the case with the Redskins). Time to move on.

 

[Mitziman]

The "ulterior motives", IMO were all acts of HC Mike Shanahan. Shanahan was 11-21 in his first two seasons in Washington. Think about that for a minute. 11-21...that sweet ass .343 winning % puts him in the same class of Romeo Crennell, Jim Schwartz or Dan Henning!

Ok, too short a span I got it. How about since 2007? Well, it then jumps to an impressive .437...That's 35-45 over the last 6 seasons as HC. Move over on the futon Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Herm Edwards, Jim Haslett and make room for Mike Shanahan!

In 2012, he finally had a quarterback. No more of "his guys", like McNabb, Grossman or John Beck. That rookie quarterback with said "ulterior motives" was a huge reason the Redskins finished 10-6. Anyone going to argue with that? Going into 2013 season, the pressure was on. It shouldn't have been on RG3, but solely on HC Mike Shanahan. Lets say for shits and giggles...RG3 was drafted in Shanahan's first season in Washington. Do you honestly think after the initial injury, Mike Shanahan would have let RG3 back on the field? IMO...Absolutely, positively, NOT!

Mike Shanahan would have had his 1st year franchise quarterback to protect, not his own legacy. And, if he made the right decision to sit RG3 until healthy, everything would have been good and easily accepted. But, since it was his 3rd year and he was slipping into Chan Gailey territory...he put his own personal career accomplishments ahead of his 22 year old rookie quarterback.

Shame on you Mike Shanahan.

 

[Sharkinva]

MItz... I will simply ask you. When does the PLAYER have responsibility for his OWN fucking well being?? If he wasnt healthy, he should have sat his narrow ass down. But he was so insecure that he played any way for fear that Shanahan wouldnt let him on the field if he didnt start the season. Shame on SuperBob for not saying during the playoffs game, hey coach Im hurt and maybe we should I dont know, put in the backup and let him do his job. Or hey coach, I know things got fucked up in that playoffs game, but maybe I shouldnt start the season. You can hold him blameless all you want. But if Shanahan had sat him and we still lost to the SeaHawks, you would be the first one screaming HOW could he Sit Superbob with the game on the line. Because I would bet my bastard sons left nut had Shanahan sat him and we lost, Bob would have stood up there and said I dont know why coach benched me because I was still able to play.

 

[Sharkinva]

And for the record guys.. you wonder who holds superbob above reproach... I give you Mitz

 

[Mitziman]

MItz... I will simply ask you. When does the PLAYER have responsibility for his OWN fucking well being?? If he wasnt healthy, he should have sat his narrow ass down. But he was so insecure that he played any way for fear that Shanahan wouldnt let him on the field if he didnt start the season. Shame on SuperBob for not saying during the playoffs game, hey coach Im hurt and maybe we should I dont know, put in the backup and let him do his job. Or hey coach, I know things got fucked up in that playoffs game, but maybe I shouldnt start the season. You can hold him blameless all you want. But if Shanahan had sat him and we still lost to the SeaHawks, you would be the first one screaming HOW could he Sit Superbob with the game on the line. Because I would bet my bastard sons left nut had Shanahan sat him and we lost, Bob would have stood up there and said I dont know why coach benched me because I was still able to play.

A rookie? A rookie, who is the potential franchise quarterback?...NEVER!

Robert Griffin III Knocked Out of the Baltimore Game with Apparent Knee Injury | The Big Lead

Did you honestly think his knee was OK, after that hit? Please shark. Mike Shanahan should have been the "grown up", and sat him down until the rookie was 100% healthy.

 

[Sharkinva]

A rookie? A rookie, who is the potential franchise quarterback?...NEVER!

Robert Griffin III Knocked Out of the Baltimore Game with Apparent Knee Injury | The Big Lead

Did you honestly think his knee was OK, after that hit? Please shark. Mike Shanahan should have been the "grown up", and sat him down until the rookie was 100% healthy.

We are talking about the same rookie who a week later was griping a week after the Baltimore game that he felt he should have been playing. We are talking about the same rookie who LIED to his coach and said he was ok to go back into the game in the playoffs. Again you hold him above reproach. I get that. But honestly if I ask you hey Mitz, can you lift this case of bricks, and you tell me sure I got it. Then you proceed to hurt your back... how the fuck am I the only one responsible when I asked you and you obviously told me something not true.

 

[Sportster 72]

We are talking about the same rookie who a week later was griping a week after the Baltimore game that he felt he should have been playing. We are talking about the same rookie who LIED to his coach and said he was ok to go back into the game in the playoffs. Again you hold him above reproach. I get that. But honestly if I ask you hey Mitz, can you lift this case of bricks, and you tell me sure I got it. Then you proceed to hurt your back... how the fuck am I the only one responsible when I asked you and you obviously told me something not true.

Blaming everything on Shanahan is just not right. There were a whole lot of people involved and most of them are still with the team. I think that's what some of Griffin's teammates were telling him last year. You have to be responsible too. Like I said in my previous post, it is done and over. What matters is what happens going forward. New coach, good health and more weapons ... it's time to play.

 

[Sharkinva]

Blaming everything on Shanahan is just not right. There were a whole lot of people involved and most of them are still with the team. I think that's what some of Griffin's teammates were telling him last year. You have to be responsible too. Like I said in my previous post, it is done and over. What matters is what happens going forward. New coach, good health and more weapons ... it's time to play.

Sportster... could not agree more. But I see Griffins always trying to deflect in the same light as I would of blaming the guy who got fired a year ago for questions in this quarters reports. If any one needs to let it go its Griffin. But he apparently hasnt, so can you blame any one for wondering how much he really had to do with the situation??

 

[Mitziman]

We are talking about the same rookie who a week later was griping a week after the Baltimore game that he felt he should have been playing. We are talking about the same rookie who LIED to his coach and said he was ok to go back into the game in the playoffs. Again you hold him above reproach. I get that. But honestly if I ask you hey Mitz, can you lift this case of bricks, and you tell me sure I got it. Then you proceed to hurt your back... how the fuck am I the only one responsible when I asked you and you obviously told me something not true.

Kind of like a yearling thoroughbred Shark. If its hurt, it still wants to run fast. As a trainer, father or HC you must pull the reigns back and let them heal. Thats your responsibility. As a 22 year old I doubt that you or any of us has ever felt what RG3 was going through, under that national microscope to play a game. A game shark.

I'm sure at times, you were probably not 100% when asked to defend our country. And, I sincerely thank you for that! But this is different. It's a unique level of pressure that today's 22 year old anointed superstars have to deal with , and say..."I'm good coach". And, as a trainer, father or HC he should have said, "no, no your not".

 

[Sharkinva]

Kind of like a yearling thoroughbred Shark. If its hurt, it still wants to run fast. As a trainer, father or HC you must pull the reigns back and let them heal. Thats your responsibility. As a 22 year old I doubt that you or any of us has ever felt what RG3 was going through, under that national microscope to play a game. A game shark.

I sure at times, you were probably not 100% when asked to defend our country. And, I sincerely thank you for that! But this is different. It's a unique level of pressure that today's 22 year old anointed superstars have to deal with , and say..."I'm good coach". And, as a trainer, father or HC he should have said, "no, no your not".

I call BULLSHIT dude. He isnt a Horse. He can talk. And he did everything to talk himself back onto the field. Basically calling the coach out at every turn to get back onto the field. He was the one responsible for the rift between him and the coaching staff.

As far as me and my injury history.. .you would be dead wrong. If I knew for a fact i would be useless to my unit, I didnt let my ego get in the way because that would likely cost lives.

But back to the point at hand, when RG3 came out and said on national TV coach promised me if the doctor cleared me I would be starting, that was his way of painting the coach into a box. Wonderboy IS the reason for the discord between him and the coaching staff. If he had done like most smart young players and kept things in house instead of pushing HIS agenda, he likely would not have been playing hurt last year. But I think he was so worried that shanahan would not pull Cousins if he started the season that he pushed the point... and it cost the team.

 

[Mitziman]

I call BULLSHIT dude. He isnt a Horse. He can talk. And he did everything to talk himself back onto the field. Basically calling the coach out at every turn to get back onto the field. He was the one responsible for the rift between him and the coaching staff.

As far as me and my injury history.. .you would be dead wrong. If I knew for a fact i would be useless to my unit, I didnt let my ego get in the way because that would likely cost lives.

But back to the point at hand, when RG3 came out and said on national TV coach promised me if the doctor cleared me I would be starting, that was his way of painting the coach into a box. Wonderboy IS the reason for the discord between him and the coaching staff. If he had done like most smart young players and kept things in house instead of pushing HIS agenda, he likely would not have been playing hurt last year. But I think he was so worried that shanahan would not pull Cousins if he started the season that he pushed the point... and it cost the team.

My point in this whole thing really reverts back to 2012 shark. Was RG3 "useless" to his team in week 16 and 17 of that season? Didn't think so. But, as the HC Shanny should have set his young thoroughbred, OK "athlete" down Shark. Of course he can talk. But like most young kids today, they tend to speak before thinking.

And, if you think RG3 is like "most smart young players"...you would be wrong. Who, in any sport could you compare his unique situation to?

 

[Sharkinva]

My point in this whole thing really reverts back to 2012 shark. Was RG3 "useless" to his team in week 16 and 17 of that season? Didn't think so. But, as the HC Shanny should have set his young thoroughbred, OK "athlete" down Shark. Of course he can talk. But like most young kids today, they tend to speak before thinking.

And, if you think RG3 is like "most smart young players"...you would be wrong. Who, in any sport could you compare his unique situation to?

NO ones.. but he created the situation. If you cant accept the fact that he might have thought that it would not be in his best interest to play, and pushed the point.. I dont know what to tell you. But look at it this way. If he had sat, and Cousins started the first four games, and we some how managed 3-1... do you honestly think Shanahan would have benched cousins?? That posibility alone is why i think RG3 created the rift with the coaches. Because I would not hold it beyond Shanahan to keep Cousins in and Rg3 benched if we were 3-1. And in that case what could RG3 do?? So HE went on the offensive, he created the situation. And HE is the reason Shanahan got fired in the end.

 

[Mitziman]

NO ones.. but he created the situation. If you cant accept the fact that he might have thought that it would not be in his best interest to play, and pushed the point.. I dont know what to tell you. But look at it this way. If he had sat, and Cousins started the first four games, and we some how managed 3-1... do you honestly think Shanahan would have benched cousins?? That posibility alone is why i think RG3 created the rift with the coaches. Because I would not hold it beyond Shanahan to keep Cousins in and Rg3 benched if we were 3-1. And in that case what could RG3 do?? So HE went on the offensive, he created the situation. And HE is the reason Shanahan got fired in the end.

My point is, the 2012 season was the beginning of "ulterior motives" for Mike Shanahan. It was a costly mistake by the HC of the Washington Redskins franchise to play an injured rookie QB after the Baltimore game...but, IMO for Mike Shanahan it was "I need to win this season" no matter what the consequences may be.

 

[Sharkinva]

My point is, the 2012 season was the beginning of "ulterior motives" for Mike Shanahan. It was a costly mistake by the HC of the Washington Redskins franchise to play an injured rookie QB after the Baltimore game...but, IMO for Mike Shanahan it was "I need to win this season" no matter what the consequences may be.

You sound ridiculous. Why would a coach try and lose to get both himself AND his son fired?? If anything, Shanahan would have been smarter and wiser to go AGAINST his "star" QB and bench him for the remainder of the season. The only Ulterior motives in Ashburn were those of RG3. He was motivated to make sure he didnt lose his starting spot due to injury. He was nervous that if the coach started the QB that HE actually wanted, he wouldnt pull him. And the last thing RG3 wanted was to be benched due to injury and still have 2 years left on his deal. Shanahan didnt NEED to win, his contract was fully guaranteed. We could have gone 0-16 with my Rex Grossman starting and he would have gotten his money. the only person that felt the need to be on the field at all cost was wonderbob.

 

[skinsdad62]

shark , shanahan is the coach he has 40 plus years of experience in the NFL . he should have reigned in the young colt even if said young colt doesnt see it

sure Rg3 put pressure on the HC but the HC's record did him in . he had to play his best option and hope he could make another run

daggone it i have a couple of young sons in their 20's and they need guidance from the old man every once in awhile too

sure RG3 is responsible for his health too but geez young people are "invincible" and dont see the big picture . and that is where doctors , trainers , coaches ETC need to step in .

look i have said what RG3 needs to do . focus on football and try to think before you speak because everything you say is over analyzed into oblivion

 

[Sportster 72]

shark , shanahan is the coach he has 40 plus years of experience in the NFL . he should have reigned in the young colt even if said young colt doesnt see it

sure Rg3 put pressure on the HC but the HC's record did him in . he had to play his best option and hope he could make another run

daggone it i have a couple of young sons in their 20's and they need guidance from the old man every once in awhile too

sure RG3 is responsible for his health too but geez young people are "invincible" and dont see the big picture . and that is where doctors , trainers , coaches ETC need to step in .

look i have said what RG3 needs to do . focus on football and try to think before you speak because everything you say is over analyzed into oblivion

Do you think Shanahan came up with "All in for week 1" then went to the media and said "I am on track to play in week one if no one lied to me." Sorry, Griffin helped manipulate this. He WAS being advised by his father and who knows what others. It is convenient to blame Shanahan because he isn't here. We need a scape goat. Hell the one game Shanahan did take Griffin out vs. Cleveland instead of congratulated his teammate for playing well and helping to win the game he cried like a baby about not being allowed to start.

The kid needs to be held accountable also. That also includes Dan Snyder and George Allen.