Ulterior motives at Redskins park

[Caliskinsfan]

i deleted pdays post when he took a shot at sportster

but as long as he and shark are having a civil debate i tend to let them go on a bit

but when it gets to talking huge smack then i step in

That's the way it should be IMO. Respect to ya Dad. Hard job to be a moderator. Don't want it to be ONLY skins posters, all the time. Where's the divisional perspective there?

As long as the discourse remains civil, light banter should be able to coexist on the threads. Smack talk thread, of course is there for the rest.

I'm actually thinking of creating an NFCE thread in the Water Cooler for divisional talk by multiple rival fans, to alleviate some of the tension for boys and skins posters who want to talk football together, but can't seem to on the team boards.

Would anyone be interested in joining in on something like that if I did? It would provide a place for more open discourse amongst divisional posters, without the presumption of trolling. Anything goes in the water cooler.

 

[Sharkinva]

You are reading way too much into his quote. Also - was that a valid reason for the writer to constantly call him "SuperBob"? The worst that RG3 has done is perhaps say the wrong thing (not to an insane degree - just perhaps a few wrong words). Beyond that - I see the guy working very hard, being positive, helping out those less fortunate & pretty much being an alright guy. How does any of that make him such a bad guy?

I realize that for some reason you have a major bone to pick with this guy. However - give it a rest - all that matters are the results on the field for the next several seasons. Beyond that - who cares? If he plays like crap next season - by all means rip the guy a new one.

Socal... my real issue is that people seem to want to hold him above reproach. I do think he actively sought to get the coach replaced, and now has decided to play the it wasnt my fault card. And yes it does irk me that people get so defensive when ever his motives are questioned.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

"I'm the QB, it's all on me" That statement gets you respect when make a mistake and you become a leader when you are playing great but still but put any game loss on your shoulders.

 

[Sharkinva]

"I'm the QB, it's all on me" That statement gets you respect when make a mistake and you become a leader when you are playing great but still but put any game loss on your shoulders.

That kind of response would raise my respect level for him. As it stands he reminds me of the coaches son in pop warner. Told all his life he was the greatest, and if the team losses its not my fault. Sorry if that rubs me the wrong way.

 

[j_y19]

Socal... my real issue is that people seem to want to hold him above reproach. I do think he actively sought to get the coach replaced, and now has decided to play the it wasnt my fault card. And yes it does irk me that people get so defensive when ever his motives are questioned.

Shark, I've seen you say this before. Who, besides one poster here, holds him above reproach? I think the vast majority of us have been critical of how he handled the offseason last year with regards to some of his statements. But many of us also understand that he was a 22 year old who, at the end of the day, doesn't know shit about life, but thinks he does. Just like most 22 year olds.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, I've seen you say this before. Who, besides one poster here, holds him above reproach? I think the vast majority of us have been critical of how he handled the offseason last year with regards to some of his statements. But many of us also understand that he was a 22 year old who, at the end of the day, doesn't know shit about life, but thinks he does. Just like most 22 year olds.

j_y... I get the impression that most around here feel that he had little to no involvement in the breakdown of the relationship with the coaching staff. Also that he had little responsibility for his injury, or his subsequent rush back to the field before he was ready. And I seriously think pointing out that he is 22 is a way of trying to excuse his behavior. Im not buying the whole stupidity of youth defense. I think he decided with his advisors what he wanted, and when it was apparent he wasnt going to get that with Shanahan, well a change needed to be made.

 

[j_y19]

j_y... I get the impression that most around here feel that he had little to no involvement in the breakdown of the relationship with the coaching staff. Also that he had little responsibility for his injury, or his subsequent rush back to the field before he was ready. And I seriously think pointing out that he is 22 is a way of trying to excuse his behavior. Im not buying the whole stupidity of youth defense. I think he decided with his advisors what he wanted, and when it was apparent he wasnt going to get that with Shanahan, well a change needed to be made.

I'm not using his age as an excuse, only pointing out that his immaturity is not atypical for one of his age. He did have responsibility in every issue, from his injury to the souring of the relationships with the shanahans. I'm not absolving him, but I'm also not throwing him to the curb. You tend to dwell on the negative aspects of his time here. You never recognize the positive aspects that most of us get excited about: His intelligence, his freakish athleticism, and his willingness and understanding that he needs to be a team leader (he hasn't perfected any of these yet). He is still a virtual blank canvas. If he is willing to listen and work on the right things (which by all accounts he is doing), he has the potential to be a difference maker. I personally am going to give him a bit more time before I come to your conclusion (apparently) that he is most likely a lost cause due to his ego (which is large).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Socal... my real issue is that people seem to want to hold him above reproach. I do think he actively sought to get the coach replaced, and now has decided to play the it wasnt my fault card. And yes it does irk me that people get so defensive when ever his motives are questioned.

Fair enough. I am not really for or against him in this case. I just want him & everyone else to be judged in the only place that matters - the field. Perhaps he did play play a role in Shanahan's ouster. However - he wasn't the only one & it is much more understandable for a 2nd year player to act in that manner than a much older coach. Doesn't matter anymore - water under the bridge.

This stupid reporter just appears be another in a long line of Redskin hating mediots who tend to mainly exist in the DC area. Let's say that RG3 actually meant something with that one sentence. Does that clown have to write an article about it & in the process refer to RG3 in a less than flattering manner?

OK - he is not above reproach - he is football player - period & a young one at that. If his greatest sin this season is making a few ill advised comments - fine. I can live with that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I'm not using his age as an excuse, only pointing out that his immaturity is not atypical for one of his age. He did have responsibility in every issue, from his injury to the souring of the relationships with the shanahans. I'm not absolving him, but I'm also not throwing him to the curb. You tend to dwell on the negative aspects of his time here. You never recognize the positive aspects that most of us get excited about: His intelligence, his freakish athleticism, and his willingness and understanding that he needs to be a team leader (he hasn't perfected any of these yet). He is still a virtual blank canvas. If he is willing to listen and work on the right things (which by all accounts he is doing), he has the potential to be a difference maker. I personally am going to give him a bit more time before I come to your conclusion (apparently) that he is most likely a lost cause due to his ego (which is large).

Also - whether you love or hate RG3 - as a Redskins fan you better hope that he excels in the near future. Otherwise - it will be a long road ahead for the Skins (and no pt in badmouthing previous moves since you cannot go back in time). As Redskins fans I see no other choice then to pull for RG3 100%. It is different for those reporters since they will never, ever be Redskins fans (they may claim that, but they are liars & that includes all of them).

 

[Sharkinva]

Also - whether you love or hate RG3 - as a Redskins fan you better hope that he excels in the near future. Otherwise - it will be a long road ahead for the Skins (and no pt in badmouthing previous moves since you cannot go back in time). As Redskins fans I see no other choice then to pull for RG3 100%. It is different for those reporters since they will never, ever be Redskins fans (they may claim that, but they are liars & that includes all of them).

To a point I have to disagree. We are in a solid position with him because while we gave up alot, we are NOT deathlocked into keeping him due to contract. The Rams are stuck with Bradford. But if RG3 does not pan out, we are in a position to part ways without it tanking the rest of the team. My take is this, if he hasnt shown to be consistently one of the top ten QBs by the end of 2016, then we can and likely should part ways with him. And pulling for him to succeed does not preclude one from questioning his words or actions. But one of the things I ost like about the rookie wage scale is that you are not totally wed to a player based on his contract being to huge to get out from under. IN the end I want whats best for the team. And if it turns out thats RG3, Im fine with it. But if it continues to be the RG3 show and we finish 5-11 or worse , you really have to re-evaluate things.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

To a point I have to disagree. We are in a solid position with him because while we gave up alot, we are NOT deathlocked into keeping him due to contract. The Rams are stuck with Bradford. But if RG3 does not pan out, we are in a position to part ways without it tanking the rest of the team. My take is this, if he hasnt shown to be consistently one of the top ten QBs by the end of 2016, then we can and likely should part ways with him. And pulling for him to succeed does not preclude one from questioning his words or actions. But one of the things I ost like about the rookie wage scale is that you are not totally wed to a player based on his contract being to huge to get out from under. IN the end I want whats best for the team. And if it turns out thats RG3, Im fine with it. But if it continues to be the RG3 show and we finish 5-11 or worse , you really have to re-evaluate things.

In a way you are proving my pt for me. Sure - it will not handcuff the Redskins from a salary cap standpoint if RG3 struggles for the next few seasons. However - do you want to go through a 2-3 yr rebuilding project - again? I would think that the answer would be no for most folks.

 

[Sharkinva]

In a way you are proving my pt for me. Sure - it will not handcuff the Redskins from a salary cap standpoint if RG3 struggles for the next few seasons. However - do you want to go through a 2-3 yr rebuilding project - again? I would think that the answer would be no for most folks.

I would rather go through that then be locked into any player. Its about whats best for the team. And if he isnt whats best for the team, then IM fine with moving on. Or do we risk making a move and locking this guy into our future for the next eight years?? Sorry but if he takes more than the next three seasons longest to become what is expected, then we need to move on. I think it would do more damage to sign him long term to a QB contract if he isnt up to snuff. And some how I dont see him taking a home team discount.

 

[Sharkinva]

Also in a way you are proving my point. This fanbase is so desperate for a "franchise" QB that some will put up with anything for or from this kid. Any other QB who started throwing his WRs and coaches under the bus would be ridden out of town in most NFL cities.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Also in a way you are proving my point. This fanbase is so desperate for a "franchise" QB that some will put up with anything for or from this kid. Any other QB who started throwing his WRs and coaches under the bus would be ridden out of town in most NFL cities.

Are you serious? In an era where other players get suspended for numerous substance abuse problems, PEDs & even go to jail long term we as fans are "putting up with anything" from RG3? Get real. Pretty much none of what he has been accused of has ever been proven so take it with a grain of salt.

Beyond perhaps not saying the right thing & having a sophomore slump what exactly has he done that is so bad to the pt where you state that we will "put up with anything"? As others alluded to previously - you complete ignore any of his good pts including having a great first year, working his tail off & doing lots of things for charity and kids. I have also never seen even one sign that this guy drinks, does drugs or anything else that would put him in a bad light off the field.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I would rather go through that then be locked into any player. Its about whats best for the team. And if he isnt whats best for the team, then IM fine with moving on. Or do we risk making a move and locking this guy into our future for the next eight years?? Sorry but if he takes more than the next three seasons longest to become what is expected, then we need to move on. I think it would do more damage to sign him long term to a QB contract if he isnt up to snuff. And some how I dont see him taking a home team discount.

Who said anything about three years? As I previously posted - if he has a terrible year even this season then he is open to criticism & you do what you have to do. However - why even think that way until seeing how he plays with a new roster, new coach, better health & no knee brace? Let's just wait & see how this plays out. I think that you somehow believe that most of us are RG3 worshipers. Don't think so - we are just being open minded.

 

[Sportster 72]

It's a message board and he really wasn't starting shit with shark IMO. If this board is only for redskin fans with no other banter going on but from skins fans it'll be a very boring place to be.

I am not trying keep anyone off the boards. There is a spot for that. Fans from any team can go to the smack talk thread and talk all they want. When most of us came here from the other board that was the decision that was made. If I was the mod on any other board I would recommend the same thing.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I am not trying keep anyone off the boards. There is a spot for that. Fans from any team can go to the smack talk thread and talk all they want. When most of us came here from the other board that was the decision that was made. If I was the mod on any other board I would recommend the same thing.

As long as posters keep mostly on topic within threads, I don't see the problem with non skins posters. Are you saying they should only post in the Smack talk thread, because that makes absolutely no sense to me. No other team board is set up that way.

 

[Sportster 72]

Dad has been doing a good job. If it gets to the point it is not fun for me I'll move along. It is not MY board it is everyone's board to decide.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Loved him at Baylor... he can make every throw a QB needs to make. That's how I judge QB's... and why I'm still convinced RGIII will be successful.

I agree with what you said and will add that when came to throwing the long ball, RG3 wowed me like no other. I really feel up to now, the coaching staff hasn't used his best NFL QB skills, rather they let him be a great athlete that could throw the ball.
I rooting for him, hope he bounces back.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Hear we go again sharks anti rg3 talk .. Lol rg3 will be'fine