Can someone post Kipers top 100

[j_y19]

I agree that if all else is equal, their first choice, and the safest choice from a fan standpoint is an OL, most likely a RT. If its Moses or Kojo, I won't really have a problem as they grade out at or above our pick. I will have an issue if we reach for an OL just because of the need and pass on a better player/athlete such as a WR or OLB that can be a solid contributor for the next decade. Honestly, I really think after watching allen work that he has the long term view in mind. SO if a Benjamin some how falls to us and he is the BPA, I will be surprised if he doesn't take him. Now if its a choice between a Robinson or a Moses, he will probably go with the OT.

 

[deanpet21]

Moses and Kojo are ranked from 25-35 overall in most of the rankings that I have seen. You would take Benjamin over Moses,Kojo,Van Noy, and Attahou, jy19??

 

[j_y19]

Dean, it doesn't make any difference what I would do. The only person you need to concern yourself with is Allen. And as I said above, I think he takes Benjamin over all of them with the exception potentially of Moses (and maybe Kojo now that Andrews has cleared his knee). Oh, there are also other players that could drop that he would choose over any OT.

Benjamin has the talent and size to be a difference maker in this league for years. You can never have too many talented WRs. RTs can be found in every draft (LTs a different story). I would have no problem with us picking Benjamin at 34 if he is the BPA.

 

[deanpet21]

What is the difference between Benjamin and the huge WR from Rutgers Coleman which can be had in the 4th round?

 

[Sharkinva]

What is the difference between Benjamin and the huge WR from Rutgers Coleman which can be had in the 4th round?

You mean aside from the fact that Benjamin is a bit more polished as a WR right now and closer to being able to walk onto the field and play?? There is usually a good reason why a guy is considered a 1st to 2nd round pick over a guy who is considered a 3rd-7th round guy.

 

[deanpet21]

Benjamin stock is falling. Questionable hands and work ethic. Some teams may move him to TE. The biggest risk out of any WR in this draft. There is no need to take a risk at pick 34. Especially when our WR core is the best in the division. I cant believe you guys still want him.

 

[Sharkinva]

Benjamin stock is falling. Questionable hands and work ethic. Some teams may move him to TE. The biggest risk out of any WR in this draft. There is no need to take a risk at pick 34. Especially when our WR core is the best in the division. I cant believe you guys still want him.

Dean, I tend to think you and half the planet are over rating our WR group. We should be great between the 20's and have home run threat ability from the position. But here is one thing you refuse to accept....

Among WRs, 26 of the top 30 TD producers are over 6'1", accounting for 85% of the touchdowns among this group. In contrast, shorter receivers dominate yards gained between the twenties. So, what do these figures mean for the Redskins? Well, even though the Redskins' passing attack seems to be stacked with the additions of Jackson and Roberts to Reed and Garcon, only Reed is over 6'0" and Hankerson tore his ACL late in the season. The addition of Kelvin Benjamin would give the Redskins an Alshon Jeffrey-type receiver to add to this group and will make the Redskins a dangerous team in the red zone, and not just in between the 20s.

 

[deanpet21]

its bs b/c Reed was a huge red zone threat at 6'2 before he got hurt. Benjamin is not even close to the WR Alshon Jeffery is. If you want just a red zone threat we can get one in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

 

[Sharkinva]

its bs b/c Reed was a huge red zone threat at 6'2 before he got hurt. Benjamin is not even close to the WR Alshon Jeffery is. If you want just a red zone threat we can get one in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Again you miss the point. He isnt just a redzone threat. And i have said before, when it comes to the redzone, how much of a threat was Reed really?? Three TDs does not constitute a huge redzone threat.

 

[deanpet21]

A lot has to do with the offense. Just b/c the guy is big doesn't automatically make him a red zone threat. I saw a projection of late 2nd for Benjamin. Why? if he is such a dominate WR and redzone threat. He should have 1st rounder written all over him but he doesn't. Plus how do you disagree about us having the best WR in the division?

 

[Sharkinva]

A lot has to do with the offense. Just b/c the guy is big doesn't automatically make him a red zone threat. I saw a projection of late 2nd for Benjamin. Why? if he is such a dominate WR and redzone threat. He should have 1st rounder written all over him but he doesn't. Plus how do you disagree about us having the best WR in the division?

Dean... Im not the only one who thinks we have a very talented, yet incomplete WR group. I have seen projections with Benjamin going in the 1st round more often than late second or later. I agree, from the 20 to the 20 we have the best WR group in the division. But once you get inside the ten, aside from Reed, where do you go with the ball?? On 3rd and 3, aside from a quick hitch or a quick slant... which of our WRs is a consistent threat?? As i have said, if Benjamin falls to the 34th pick, he might actually be the BPA and I would take him over the tackles you have listed because i think RT is a mulligan pick.

 

[deanpet21]

that was my question before. You still think he is the BPA over VanNoy and Attachou? Don't you agree that we can get a red zone threat in the later rounds? Why aren't you banging the table for Amaro or Jenkins for a 2nd TE. They are big redzone threats and offer more value to the team.

 

[Sharkinva]

that was my question before. You still think he is the BPA over VanNoy and Attachou?

Yes, I do think he is the BPA over both of them.

Don't you agree that we can get a red zone threat in the later rounds? Why aren't you banging the table for Amaro or Jenkins for a 2nd TE. They are big redzone threats and offer more value to the team.

Sure we could get a project WR who is going to be a redzone threat later in the draft. But not one who would contribute right away. Also not feeling the #2 TE in that role either, not more so than Benjamin in any case. Amaro doesnt see the field much unless Reed gets hurt. And usually when you run two TEs one needs to be able to block consistently. Reed and Amaro are both pass catchers more than any thing.

 

[deanpet21]

Very doubtful we take Benjamin shark. He has Mike Williams written all over him to me. They funny thing is M. Williams was a top 10 pick of the Lions. Evaluators think Williams was more talented than Benjamin. lol.

 

[Sharkinva]

Very doubtful we take Benjamin shark. He has Mike Williams written all over him to me. They funny thing is M. Williams was a top 10 pick of the Lions. Evaluators think Williams was more talented than Benjamin. lol.

Guess we will know in about 11 days Dean. As I said I expect them to take the mulligan and go OT. But I think thats a mistake if Benjamin or a couple of the other big WRs who grade out are on the board.

 

[deanpet21]

Well you know if Moses is there we draft him. Kojo maybe but I can see them pass on him and take a guy like Attachou or Van Noy. Those are my top four right now. More so OLB b/c the Skins really like Flemming and he can be had in the 3rdround.


I will give you 5 big WR's we will pass on at 34. Benjamin, Robinson, Matthews, Moncrief, and Bryant. Moncrief and Bryant passed on twice.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well you know if Moses is there we draft him. Kojo maybe but I can see them pass on him and take a guy like Attachou or Van Noy. Those are my top four right now. More so OLB b/c the Skins really like Flemming and he can be had in the 3rdround.


I will give you 5 big WR's we will pass on at 34. Benjamin, Robinson, Matthews, Moncrief, and Bryant. Moncrief and Bryant passed on twice.

Well bro, like i said before... you might want to go buy a cheap TV to watch the draft on.... just in case. Because I will say this, Gruden and Allen are not going to go into the season with a WR group made up of three sub six footers and a 5th round project.

 

[deanpet21]

I would agree with the Coleman pick in the 4th round. You think Gruden wants Paulsen as his second te?

 

[Sharkinva]

I would agree with the Coleman pick in the 4th round. You think Gruden wants Paulsen as his second te?

Paulsen can block, and when he started in place of Davis he actually did pretty well. I think Coleman is the fall back plan if they cant get a guy who can contribute right away. The big difference between Coleman and the guys ahead of him is, he is easily thrown off his routes by press man coverage, he has height but lacks the actual weight to go with it. Lacks the physicality of a guy like Benjamin.

 

[deanpet21]

Gruden likes two pass catching Te's he only has one on the roster right now.